Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Livingston Back on a 1 Year Deal - Page 76

[soxperry]

Every single one of the Ringer guys is sleeping on kpj.

Hes a very good ball handler, we're fine with him and Giannis.

[BigO]

Barrett would be incredible tbh. I haven't ever really considered it. He hasn't proven to be able to raise a team on his own, but he honestly did just fine on the early Brunson Knicks team before he went to Toronto. That team made a decent playoff run - took Miami to 6 the year Miami went to the finals - and Barrett was their second leading scorer with a 19/4/3 playoff slash. Similar regular season stats. I'd have no concerns about him next to Giannis.

I'm not sure the appeal for Toronto though. Kuzma's roughly 13M cheaper the next two years, but dealing with the same contract length. Are they tax-pressed?

ts%'es:

regular season - 47.9, 53.5, 51.1, 53.1, 58, 54.7
playoffs - 48.9, 55

on/off:

regular season - -6.2, +0.1, -7.1, -12.3, -7.9/+7.3, +1.1
playoffs - -3.1 & -10.2 net ratings (near lowest on the team)

Incredible?

I need more convincing on Barrett. He is a really good rebounder and assist guy for his size. but his efficiency is not encouraging and he hasn't struck me as a guy who raises his team's level.

[emunney]

Every single one of the Ringer guys is sleeping on kpj.

Hes a very good ball handler, we're fine with him and Giannis.

I wouldn't say no to another ball-handler but we don't need 'anybody who can dribble'. We're looking at depth at this point so role-versatility should be a higher priority. Brogdon or Burks, yes. Wright or Mills, no.

[Ron Swanson]

His contract is literally the same length and a whopping $7.5 million AAV more than Kuzma. If you believe he has another gear in him in a better situation, who cares? He's already pretty arguably a better player, and 5-years younger. Definitely a better fit.

[emunney]

His contract is literally the same length and a whopping $7.5 million AAV more than Kuzma. If you believe he has another gear in him in a better situation, who cares? He's already pretty arguably a better player, and 5-years younger. Definitely a better fit.

1-for-1, I'd do it. But what's the real asking price?

[MikeIsGood]

Barrett would definitely be incredible if the price was Kuz and AJJ

Thank you. I didn't think this was difficult lol.

[DingleJerry]

And pretty much every player (possibly other than Kuz?) has had their efficiency go up when they get put with Giannis. So Barretts pointed out weakness here should be much helped by playing with Giannis.

Of course I haven't watched a ton of Barrett, but I'd guess thus far in his career has been too much ISO or here ball type stuff which pulls down those percents. As long as he has a good attitude and doesn't' insist on that and embraces playing off Giannis the percentages should go up

[machu46]

I listened to the most recent Zach Lowe pod this morning and he made a flippant comment about the Bucks needing "anyone who can dribble a basketball" in the backcourt. Could be Bucks-colored glasses, but I think the league is sleeping on our backcourt. I looked at the combined stats of KPJ, Rollins, Trent and AJ while Dame was out during the last part of the regular season.

The Bucks went 9-4 during those 13 games (not counting the last Detroit game) with those four guys averaging the below while shooting efficiently and offering good to great perimeter defense.

Porter: 14 points, 5 boards, 5 assists
Rollins: 11 points, 3 boards, 4 assists
Trent: 14 points, 1 board, 2 assists
Green: 8 points, 2 boards, 3 assists

Assuming improvement and more minutes (fewer SG mins for Prince), those numbers are bound to go up. I'd expect somewhere close to 30 points, 11 assists and 10 boards from our PGs and 28 points, 6 assists, 5 boards and 7 3s from our SGs. Add solid perimeter defense, and that should be more than enough to give the Bucks a chance to win every night.

Ultimately I think our season hinges on KPJ (and obviously general health). If KPJ can approach the efficient 21/7/7 he averages per 36 minutes with us, we're in pretty good shape. If he plays more like the player he's been in previous years, where he was more of an inefficient chucker, this team will struggle to be more than a play-in team.

And having 2 players on the team that can create off the dribble, one of whom has struggled for the vast majority of their career...I can't blame Lowe for thinking we need another option.

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[Bernman]

His contract is literally the same length and a whopping $7.5 million AAV more than Kuzma. If you believe he has another gear in him in a better situation, who cares? He's already pretty arguably a better player, and 5-years younger. Definitely a better fit.

That's no small difference & it's 9.3 the 2nd yr. We just got both KPJ & Trent/Rollins for these amounts. 2 rotation players. This is a major consideration for any team in the apron era, let alone the Bucks w/ 22.5 per in dead cap.

If we made that move now, would we be prepared to re-flip Barrett at the deadline? Even if we were, Kuzma is the $ saver for teams w/ his descending contract, in conjunction w/ us being able to take back 25% more salary. This is where, w/ the picks, you could get the #2 option we need.

Some want to even burn the '31 1st for this. Now THAT would be reckless. All our eggs would be in the KPJ basket to be the #2 option.

[EasyE31]

Bucks in: Kuminga (signed to something like 4/$100)
Jazz in: Kuzma, Mke 2032 1st round swap
Warriors in: Nurkic

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[Badgerlander]

Barrett sucks

[Ron Swanson]

His contract is literally the same length and a whopping $7.5 million AAV more than Kuzma. If you believe he has another gear in him in a better situation, who cares? He's already pretty arguably a better player, and 5-years younger. Definitely a better fit.

1-for-1, I'd do it. But what's the real asking price?

No idea, but Masai's no longer there so I doubt they're married to the idea of him as a core piece anymore. Their cap sheet is an absolute mess and they may just want to save on luxury tax for a worse player but better contract.

[emunney]

Wonder if they value Quickley more or less than Barrett.

[Bernman]

And pretty much every player (possibly other than Kuz?) has had their efficiency go up when they get put with Giannis. So Barretts pointed out weakness here should be much helped by playing with Giannis.

Of course I haven't watched a ton of Barrett, but I'd guess thus far in his career has been too much ISO or here ball type stuff which pulls down those percents. As long as he has a good attitude and doesn't' insist on that and embraces playing off Giannis the percentages should go up

It's a skewed sample. He was already having a nightmare season coming in, where he came in out of shape, & tanking along w/ the Wizards. There was a partial bet he'd turn that around during the season. He did not, outside an early honeymoon stint.

We'd find out the 1st half next season if he was capable & could trade him then, when his value hadn't bottomed out. Or just deal him regardless as partial salary relief for another team trying to avoid the 2nd apron like we were, in conjunction w/ our picks, for a superior player to Barrett & Kuz.

[SirChurros]

Is there anything there with the Barrett talk? I must have missed where we were linked to interest in him.

[BigO]

Barrett would definitely be incredible if the price was Kuz and AJJ

Thank you. I didn't think this was difficult lol.

Well ya. But I would be in favor of trading those two for nothing, so this isn't some einstein level thought.

[SirChurros]

Barrett sucks

Sucks is quite the hyperbole.

If he sucks, a lot of guys stuck in **** situations for **** orgs suck.

[Bernman]

Barrett sucks

Sucks is quite the hyperbole.

If he sucks, a lot of guys stuck in **** situations for **** orgs suck.

He kinda sucked for NYK. They weren't a s**t situation & s**t org in the later years. They fared much better w/out him on the court.

He's been in Toronto all of a year and a half, and played moderately better there, actually. Helped his rep, if anything.

[Prez]

I mean if it's Kuzma and crap for Barrett, sure, but I doubt Toronto does that. Giving up anything of value like the '31 1st or Green would piss me off.

[Daver]

Every single article or tweet out there keeps mentioning that the bucks will have to give up green or their 31 1st round pick in any deal.Dont know you all would be shocked or pissed