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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#481 » by JoeJohnson2two » Sun Jul 6, 2014 8:27 pm

skones wrote:We're not on the verge of contending. That's the problem. We're very early in the rebuilding process. If Parker and Giannis don't hit, do you really want to be paying a Kyle Lowry caliber player the max? Good luck with that.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#482 » by raferfenix » Sun Jul 6, 2014 8:27 pm

For those concerned about Bledsoe's salary per year messing with our cap space, would you feel the same even if Ersan is heading to Phoenix?


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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#483 » by skones » Sun Jul 6, 2014 8:28 pm

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skones wrote:Well that might be asking a bit too much. Bledsoe isn't a good point guard. He benefited greatly from playing next to Dragic.

And what about the times he filled in for Chris Paul? Was he not a PG then either?


The Clippers went 6-6 in Chris Paul's absence that season and Bledsoe wasn't lighting the world on fire. He's not a good shooter at this point, and he has a lot of question marks surrounding his ability to run an NBA offense. I don't see any problem with acknowledging the holes in his game.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#484 » by WRau1 » Sun Jul 6, 2014 8:33 pm

I don't think Bledsoe makes us a playoff team and when you're handing out the max to someone, that player better be able to carry you to the postseason.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#485 » by bigdog34 » Sun Jul 6, 2014 8:41 pm

WRau1 wrote:I don't think Bledsoe makes us a playoff team and when you're handing out the max to someone, that player better be able to carry you to the postseason.


Yup, this is why I think if any of this comes to fruition, it's going to be a trade for Lin.

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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#486 » by BuckFan25226 » Sun Jul 6, 2014 8:43 pm

skones wrote:
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skones wrote:Well that might be asking a bit too much. Bledsoe isn't a good point guard. He benefited greatly from playing next to Dragic.

And what about the times he filled in for Chris Paul? Was he not a PG then either?


The Clippers went 6-6 in Chris Paul's absence that season and Bledsoe wasn't lighting the world on fire. He's not a good shooter at this point, and he has a lot of question marks surrounding his ability to run an NBA offense. I don't see any problem with acknowledging the holes in his game.


10 of those 12 games were on the road fwiw.

Also, the past 2 seasons he shot 37% from 3p and 46% from the field. I would say he is a pretty good shooter, not great, but definitely better than average.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#487 » by mlloyd10 » Sun Jul 6, 2014 8:44 pm

WRau1 wrote:I don't think Bledsoe makes us a playoff team and when you're handing out the max to someone, that player better be able to carry you to the postseason.


So in a year he cant?

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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#488 » by RRyder823 » Sun Jul 6, 2014 8:48 pm

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Scoops wrote:Spot on. Adding Bledsoe to a 25 year old Parker/Giannis would be great. Pairing him with two 19 year olds is a waste. Its why I also don't get how Sanders factors into the core of this team. When GA/JP is ready to compete we're going to be excited about having a 30 year old center who relies on his athleticism? Yeah no.




God I love how some people think that 28-30 is to old to be part of the core of a championship team..... Don't sign Bledsoe because he'll be 28 by the time Parker/Giannis hit their primes. And now sanders because he'll be around 29-30...... first that's on the assumption it takes 4 more years for those two to develop. Maybe its just me but I think that Giannis, who's already been in the league a season, and Parker, who is coming in as the most NBA ready prospect might just be ready for primetime before that 4 year time table runs out. And even if it does happen to take 4 more years for them to hit their peak since when did 28-30 be to old to be apart of a championship core??? I thought most people here saw what the spurs did this year.

Sorry if this comes off like I'm ranting but this whole age argument is getting on my nerves. It just seems like some people around don't think players can truly be core piece's to a championship team after they start hitting the 28-30 year old range unless they're superstar quality or that they'll just magically fall from the sky when Giannis/Parker hit their primes..... If your constantly trading in ability for youth that's not a winning formula in my opinion. If you got the talent on the roster to make run after Giannis/Parker develop even if its just for a 2-4 year window you ADD to it. You don't trade it away and "Hope" to find something better just because it's a little bit younger


The fact of the matter is that Age matters. Nba guards who rely primarily on athleticism do not age well. Wade is a prime example of this. He was amazing when young but people knew would not age well. He began breaking down by age 30. Also, 28-30 is nowhere close to physical prime. There is a reason why Rbs by 30 are washed up, tennis players are often in the low 20s, etc. Peak physical prime is generally in the low 20s like 22-23. In sports more reliant on muscle mass is a little later since it takes a little time to accumulate muscle.


Not disagreeing with you on that when it comes to guards who generally rely heavily on athletism. That being said Kobe up until recently held out pretty good and he relied heavily on athletism in his youth, Tony Parker as well, as have a few other examples but generally I do agree with that sentiment outside of a few all-time greats.

Using RB's and the NFL it really isn't comparable. An NFL RB can only take so many hit's before his body breaks down. But in other sports youth isn't allways everything. Take MMA for example. Up until last year GSP and Spider were largely considered the 2 best in the sport with Jones bring up the rear in 3rd place despite GSP and Spider being on the back end of 30 and Jones being in his early 20's... My point is all sports are different and how long body's hold up in each one veries

My rant wasn't trying to advocate for Bledsoe, it was more in response to Sanders not possibly being a "Core" piece because of his age. I'd put the athletic "peak" anywhere between 25-28. That being said players can still get better after they hit that peak if they have the basketball IQ and start to add to there games in different ways. If you don't feel that way then quite honestly every player over the age of 25 should be traded immediately for pennies on the dollar. 25 should be the cut off for players on the roster unless they're Superstar players. They have no hope contributing long term if that's the case so what's the point
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#489 » by JoeJohnson2two » Sun Jul 6, 2014 8:48 pm

WRau1 wrote:I don't think Bledsoe makes us a playoff team and when you're handing out the max to someone, that player better be able to carry you to the postseason.

With considerable less talent than I feel the Bucks have, he was a major factor in the Suns damn near making the playoffs in the West...

Dragic was a huge part of that as well but the rest of that roster is nothing to write home about...
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#490 » by WRau1 » Sun Jul 6, 2014 8:49 pm

mlloyd10 wrote:
WRau1 wrote:I don't think Bledsoe makes us a playoff team and when you're handing out the max to someone, that player better be able to carry you to the postseason.


So in a year he cant?

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You're willing to gamble a max contract on player that MIGHT be able to get you to the playoffs in a year or two?
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#491 » by WRau1 » Sun Jul 6, 2014 8:50 pm

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WRau1 wrote:I don't think Bledsoe makes us a playoff team and when you're handing out the max to someone, that player better be able to carry you to the postseason.

With considerable less talent than I feel the Bucks have, he was a major factor in the Suns damn near making the playoffs in the West...

Dragic was a huge part of that as well but the rest of that roster is nothing to write home about...


That team was very well built and got above average contributions by a number of players. The Suns last year have about 3 players better than our best player.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#492 » by JoeJohnson2two » Sun Jul 6, 2014 8:53 pm

WRau1 wrote:That team was very well built and got above average contributions by a number of players. The Suns last year have about 3 players better than our best player.

1.) No, they don't. Their third best player was Gerald Green or PJ Tucker. Yeah, I'm sorry but hell no to the bold.
2.) Outside of Dragic, Bledsoe was clearly their best player. The rest of that roster is trash.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#493 » by Baddy Chuck » Sun Jul 6, 2014 8:55 pm

skones wrote:We're not on the verge of contending. That's the problem. We're very early in the rebuilding process. If Parker and Giannis don't hit, do you really want to be paying a Kyle Lowry caliber player the max? Good luck with that.

I'm talking about how he could look in 4 years after injuries took a toll on him, I think he's better than Lowry right now and for the foreseeable future.
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Post#494 » by ampd » Sun Jul 6, 2014 8:55 pm

:lol: at the idea of Tony Parker or rondo signing here in free agency next season. Some real pie in the sky scenarios here. You don't pass on acquiring bledsoe to take a less than 1% chance you can sign one of those guys.

Also it's almost impossible to see us having a bottom 3 record this season and no way we out tank philly so mudiay is probably not happening either.
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Post#495 » by Baddy Chuck » Sun Jul 6, 2014 9:00 pm

skones wrote:I don't agree with this at all. I don't think we're a bottom 5 team next season with our roster. I think you're looking at it in a bit of a vacuum if youre going straight with Bledsoe/10 because you're not necessarily taking into account the impact of the money involved. Success in the NBA is about roster composition. Allocating that much money to a player like Bledsoe in our current situation isn't smart money. In doing so, you're assuming A LOT about Parker and Giannis that may or may not come to fruition. If it doesn't, you've put a pretty low ceiling on your squad by making that type of commitment to Bledsoe and effectively delaying a rebuild even further.

Who else are we allocating that money to? We need to takes big risks to get a big reward. If we continue to meddle in the middle you end up with OJ Mayo and Zaza Pachulia. Bledsoe is a risk, but there is a huge reward if it works out. And unless he pulls a Danny Granger/Eric Gordon he will be a tradeable asset throughout that contract.
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#496 » by RRyder823 » Sun Jul 6, 2014 9:00 pm

ampd wrote::lol: at the idea of Tony Parker or rondo signing here in free agency next season. Some real pie in the sky scenarios here. You don't pass on acquiring bledsoe to take ass than 1% chance you can sign one of those guys.

Also it's almost impossible to see us having a bottom 3 record this season and no way we out tank philly so mudiay is probably not happening either.


Agree. When you get a chance to pick up a core player you do it. you don't wait and hope like hell for a miracle that another player with "Star" ability wants to come here. But seriously NOBODY is out tanking Philly next year so unless people are really just hoping to hit in the lottery I agree Mudiay just aint gonna happen
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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#497 » by LUKE23 » Sun Jul 6, 2014 9:08 pm

We arent a playoff team with Bledsoe? Unless you are assuming a repeat from Sanders of last year, that comment is laughable.

I mean look at the team we won 38 games with when Larry actually played. And that was with Boylan coaching 50 of them. This years team with Bledsoe is miles better than that roster and Kidd will not be worse than Boylan.

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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#498 » by ampd » Sun Jul 6, 2014 9:13 pm

Chuck Diesel wrote:
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Chuck Diesel wrote:I'm on board for another top five pick and saving the money for a run at a loaded crop of free agent point guards next summer.



I see Rondo and Kemba Walker.

Who is FA in 2015 at PG you are liking?


Goran Dragic (likely opt out), Tony Parker, Ricky Rubio (restricted), Patrick Beverly, Reggie Jackson (restricted). At least a couple of those guys figure to be on the move.


:lol:

Signing Bledsoe this year is bad because he is 24 years old, but signing Dragic next year who doesn't have near the same potential and will be 29 is rebuilding the "right way". Give me a break.

We are not signing Tony Parker or Rondo, it's honestly not even worth wasting the ink on the paper drawing up offers for them. I'd rather have Bledsoe than Rubio (they are almost the same age :lol:, and if you think Bledsoe can't shoot...), and Beverley / Jackson have a lot to prove before they even belong in this conversation.

If Phoenix and Minny let Dragic and Rubio get that far then you are passing on Bledsoe to take your shot with those guys, and its a pretty low percentage one. If they don't then you don't have any solid FA targets at PG.
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Post#499 » by LUKE23 » Sun Jul 6, 2014 9:15 pm

Thats before we even mention that the 2015 draft is pretty much all PF/C in terms of the stud prospects. Bledsoe is the youngest PG we will be able to sign in FA that has high ceiling potential.

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Re: Bucks looking at Lin, Bledsoe and Vasquez 

Post#500 » by Ayt » Sun Jul 6, 2014 9:16 pm

WRau1 wrote:I don't think Bledsoe makes us a playoff team and when you're handing out the max to someone, that player better be able to carry you to the postseason.


So you don't think prime KG was a max level player?

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