Indiana Pacers Draft Pick Watch Thread

Ron Swanson · Post #481 » by **Ron Swanson** » Wed May 20, 2020 3:47 pm

Think Green and McDaniels are the two higher upside wings. Vassell, Bey, and Nesmith are the safer guys.

M-C-G · Post #482 » by **M-C-G** » Wed May 20, 2020 4:05 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Think Green and McDaniels are the two higher upside wings. Vassell, Bey, and Nesmith are the safer guys.

After another extensive 4 minute 'deep dive' into McDaniels...is that dude even playable in the NBA for the first two years in the league?

Seems like a guy that you take a flyer on his second contract. Can't see him being remotely physically ready to play for at least a couple of years. I get the appeal though.

RiotPunch · Post #483 » by **RiotPunch** » Wed May 20, 2020 5:49 pm

Ruzious wrote:
RiotPunch wrote:
lds102 wrote:Ok, just seen a mock draft & it has Daniel Oturu going at 25. If he is there at our pick. He's a Dam good player.Take him.

Oturu doesn't even crack my Top-60 at the moment.

He's a relatively low IQ boom or bust player, but he's physically gifted and did improve during the season. I'd rather have Jalen Smith if I'm going for a big.

Yeah, if boom means rotation energy big off the bench. So many of these bigs are going to get overdrafted. Oturu, Carey, Stewart mainly. What makes them better than a Kaleb Wesson? I agree on Jalen, but I'm even cooling on him a bit too. In theory I like his archetype, but the frame and decision making are worrisome. If only you could combine Tillman and Smith into one player... Would you rather spend a 1st on Smith or a late 2nd on Diakite?

Ron Swanson · Post #484 » by **Ron Swanson** » Wed May 20, 2020 6:05 pm

M-C-G wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:Think Green and McDaniels are the two higher upside wings. Vassell, Bey, and Nesmith are the safer guys.

After another extensive 4 minute 'deep dive' into McDaniels...is that dude even playable in the NBA for the first two years in the league?

Seems like a guy that you take a flyer on his second contract. Can't see him being remotely physically ready to play for at least a couple of years. I get the appeal though.

Maybe. He really needs to learn how to finish in traffic better. But you can't really teach some of the things he's able to do at his size.

Post #485 » by **Ruzious** » Wed May 20, 2020 6:06 pm

RiotPunch wrote:
Ruzious wrote:
RiotPunch wrote:

Oturu doesn't even crack my Top-60 at the moment.

He's a relatively low IQ boom or bust player, but he's physically gifted and did improve during the season. I'd rather have Jalen Smith if I'm going for a big.

Yeah, if boom means rotation energy big off the bench. So many of these bigs are going to get overdrafted. Oturu, Carey, Stewart mainly. What makes them better than a Kaleb Wesson? I agree on Jalen, but I'm even cooling on him a bit too. In theory I like his archetype, but the frame and decision making are worrisome. If only you could combine Tillman and Smith into one player... Would you rather spend a 1st on Smith or a late 2nd on Diakite?

I'm not a Diakite guy - because when he started out at UVA - he dropped the ball so many times - I got convinced he has bad hands, and bigs with bad hands don't make it. But he has improved quite a lot since then. Wesson's slower than all the others mentioned. I can't see his power game translating to the NBA.

LuessiT · Post #486 » by **LuessiT** » Wed May 20, 2020 9:01 pm

I love the change in this years draft process because everyone is all over the place with rankings. I feel like these days more often than not you get a streamlined version of everyones takes based on rankings out there and some talk about prospects gets lost.

mattg · Post #487 » by **mattg** » Wed May 20, 2020 9:52 pm

LuessiT wrote:I love the change in this years draft process because everyone is all over the place with rankings. I feel like these days more often than not you get a streamlined version of everyones takes based on rankings out there and some talk about prospects gets lost.

It’s always been an issue in the DX scouting era. Guys who came in with hype from HS or youth competition are ranked really highly and they stay highly ranked FOREVER even if they flat out suck during the actual season. Or a guy would get ranked high early in the year, before getting exposed badly and the rankings would never adjust to that and thus you get a Wesley Johnson situation.

Conversely guys who were unheralded generally have to do so much more to get recognition.

The situation now is more like everyone who wants to scout has to go back and watch game tape and there isn’t an easy conglomeration ranking of prospects that people are generally adhering to so you see more varied stances.

old skool · Post #488 » by **old skool** » Thu May 21, 2020 4:02 am

Jon Horst, speaking today at an online Town Hall Meeting for Bucks season ticket holders, said that the Bucks scouts have seen everything they need to see from watching draft prospects in person. He said they still need to finalize their assessments with interviews. He said the pandemic pause and lack of NBA games has provided more draft preparation.

He said "this will be our best draft ever", referring to staff preparation.

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emunney · Post #489 » by **emunney** » Thu May 21, 2020 4:08 am

Damn we're going to draft Giannis again.

BucksFanSD · Post #490 » by **BucksFanSD** » Thu May 21, 2020 5:19 am

Ron Swanson wrote:I'm starting to slowly talk myself into Tyrell Terry. The size/strength concerns are legit, but that shooting stroke is just so pure.

Same here. We can't forget that providing legit shooters around Giannis is the goal and man, Terry can shoot it (and from anywhere). He can add strength. He and Nesmith are probably the best shooters in the draft.

edit: among potential 1st rounders

emunney · Post #491 » by **emunney** » Fri May 22, 2020 7:17 am

Markus Howard is hands down the best shooter in the draft.

RiotPunch · Post #492 » by **RiotPunch** » Fri May 22, 2020 7:33 am

emunney wrote:Markus Howard is hands down the best shooter in the draft.

No doubt. He's in range anywhere in the halfcourt. Do you not view his size as damning though? How do you weaponize him?

Ron Swanson · Post #493 » by **Ron Swanson** » Fri May 22, 2020 1:03 pm

His size makes him damn near unplayable in the NBA. You'd have to really believe that the system could hide him on defense. Possible for sure, but I don't know if his offensive upside makes up for it. It's not like he's Trae Young and also has unreal play-making instincts. He'd basically be out there just to be a 3PT flame-thrower.

LuessiT · Post #494 » by **LuessiT** » Fri May 22, 2020 6:35 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:His size makes him damn near unplayable in the NBA. You'd have to really believe that the system could hide him on defense. Possible for sure, but I don't know if his offensive upside makes up for it. It's not like he's Trae Young and also has unreal play-making instincts. He'd basically be out there just to be a 3PT flame-thrower.

I do agree that he's damn near unplayable but if he's playable he's going to be very valueable. A 3PT flame-thrower can be a secondary or even primary scoring option in the NBA.

Ron Swanson · Post #495 » by **Ron Swanson** » Fri May 22, 2020 6:46 pm

Nick Richards is the annual late-bloomer big that I'd love to nab if some team is willing to part with their mid-late 2nd for some cash considerations.

Ruben Quevedo · Post #496 » by **Ruben Quevedo** » Fri May 22, 2020 6:56 pm

LuessiT wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:His size makes him damn near unplayable in the NBA. You'd have to really believe that the system could hide him on defense. Possible for sure, but I don't know if his offensive upside makes up for it. It's not like he's Trae Young and also has unreal play-making instincts. He'd basically be out there just to be a 3PT flame-thrower.

I do agree that he's damn near unplayable but if he's playable he's going to be very valueable. A 3PT flame-thrower can be a secondary or even primary scoring option in the NBA.

I don't think he's an NBA player but I'd probably buy a 2nd rounder to find out. He could really juice an offense for 20-25 minutes a night if he can adjust to NBA defenders.

emunney · Post #497 » by **emunney** » Fri May 22, 2020 7:04 pm

RiotPunch wrote:
emunney wrote:Markus Howard is hands down the best shooter in the draft.

No doubt. He's in range anywhere in the halfcourt. Do you not view his size as damning though? How do you weaponize him?

Offensively it's pretty easy -- he just has to buy into being an offball firecracker like Korver or Redick, somebody who makes the D **** every time we set a screen for him.

Defensively I have no idea. You could literally hide him, like in Giannis' shoe.

JayMKE · Post #498 » by **JayMKE** » Fri May 22, 2020 7:13 pm

Howard is a future CBA International MVP

Ruben Quevedo · Post #499 » by **Ruben Quevedo** » Fri May 22, 2020 7:24 pm

emunney wrote:
RiotPunch wrote:
emunney wrote:Markus Howard is hands down the best shooter in the draft.

No doubt. He's in range anywhere in the halfcourt. Do you not view his size as damning though? How do you weaponize him?

Offensively it's pretty easy -- he just has to buy into being an offball firecracker like Korver or Redick, somebody who makes the D **** every time we set a screen for him.

Defensively I have no idea. You could literally hide him, like in Giannis' shoe.

The problem is much of his offense came as a primary ball handler. Korver and Redick perfected their off-ball craft after years and years of experience. Learning how to use screens, when and where to cut, where to drift on the weakside....he might never develop a feel for that stuff.

Ron Swanson · Post #500 » by **Ron Swanson** » Fri May 22, 2020 9:15 pm

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