Woelfel - 70% bogut's gone and maybe Jennings (update pg131)

[mlloyd10]

Its not a terrible deal, but If Beno would really have opted out remaining here they don't really save any salary. And a late first is meh. Not sure why the national media is concerned with clearing up our salary by removing a guy with only an additional year remaining, what would the Bucks do with cap space if they made more trades and generated enough to sign a talented FA anyway? This team needs to deal for picks, or find a way to lose a Gooden, or a Headcase.

Losing Gooden saves us 6mil a year

[Bucksfans1and2]

I wonder if a 2012 Orlando pick or 2013 Orlando pick would be better...

2013 without question

[Newz]

We should be able to get more for Ersan than a late first.

Did you read what we get to ship out in that deal besides Ersan?

That deal would be incredible for us.

[ReasonablySober]

At this point I'd be surprised if Udrih doesn't opt out. He must hate it here.

Gooden's playing the best ball of his **** career; he could be easier to deal than we think. (maybe that's a reach)

Minnesota's two forwards are trash.

Ersan is the best piece in that deal by far, and we probably don't get a long term piece for him.

[Nebula1]

I agree that deal would be pretty excellent for Milwaukee. I think Orlando is giving up too much for Ersan personally.

[Bernman]

Caveat: Bogut doesn't go anywhere unless Jackson is part of the deal - this works:

To Washington:

Bogut
Jackson
Beno
Ersan

To Bucks:

McGee
Blatche
Crawford
Lewis

You're a masochist, so the Bucks are a good place to direct your fandom.

Actually, I much more a realise and what exactly do you expend back for an often-injured player, one that will leave for Europe next season and a couple guys that want out?

If nothing else we'd be a more athletic team and there's no way Jackson can be included in the deal without having to take on Lewis' contract, it just won't work!

We'd be better off trading them for expirings or holding onto them. All you acquired were negatives.

Both Bogut and Ersan have positive value.

Bogut's a core player. most players in the lottery don't wind up with that distinction, and some teams have to finish building already. Injured or not, we can clearly get a lottery pick for him if he's traded at the right time.

As for Ersan has established himself as one of the best role players in the league. We can easily get a later 1st for him, whether he leaves for Europe after this season or not. He would provide a huge boost to many team's title hopes this season and with the trade they'd acquire the Bird Rights to go over the cap and compete offer-wise with NBA and European clubs.

You're worsening the Bucks' situation.

[Bucksfans1and2]

At this point I'd be surprised if Udrih doesn't opt out. He must hate it here.

Gooden's playing the best ball of his **** career; he could be easier to deal than we think. (maybe that's a reach)

Minnesota's two forwards are trash.

Ersan is the best piece in that deal by far, and we probably don't get a long term piece for him.

II'm with DB here. Giving up assets to move Gooden is stupid because he can be amnestied.

If the Bucks do amnesty Jackson, I will rage.

[Nebula1]

The Gooden piece of the deal was an extra piece to the base deal. But I would do the added Gooden for Earl Clark piece in addition to the main piece.

[Badgerlander]

At this point I'd be surprised if Udrih doesn't opt out. He must hate it here.

mebe

Gooden's playing the best ball of his **** career; he could be easier to deal than we think. (maybe that's a reach)

doubt it

Minnesota's two forwards are trash.

expiring trash

Ersan is the best piece in that deal by far, and we probably don't get a long term piece for him.

true but we get cap space, we can go after Asik, etc

Clark has a 1.24mil PO and I like him better then Brockman
Harper has 762k on his deal next year
The rest expire, and we get Cap Freedom and set ourselves up for Tankdom the rest of the year.

[DanoMac]

I just don't understand why any team holding Bogut, injured or not would care to "swap bigs" when that big is Javale Mcgee. Especially after dealing with Jackson's idiocy this year. If a deal like that is made there has to be some other benefit to the Bucks, because giving up your best player and a headcase but returning a headcase is not very smart.

The thing is, Javale isn't a headcase, he just doesn't have any feel for the game. He's got all world potential but has never put it all together. But by no means he is a cancer.

Blatche on the other hand...

Maybe Javale's not a headcase, but he's (Please Use More Appropriate Word).

[Lippo]

Caveat: Bogut doesn't go anywhere unless Jackson is part of the deal - this works:

To Washington:

Bogut
Jackson
Beno
Ersan

To Bucks:

McGee
Blatche
Crawford
Lewis

I like this better.. then we can either get a 1st for Ersan or keep him, he would work well besides McGee

Rashard Lewis
Jan Vesely
JaVale McGee
Trevor Booker
2012 2nd

Andrew Bogut
Stephen Jackson
Beno Udrih

we can amnesty gooden and lewis off book the following year and we are set.

[Newz]

At this point I'd be surprised if Udrih doesn't opt out. He must hate it here.

I'd be surprised if any guy just turned down $7 million dollars. No way he gets anything close to that. I'm guessing he is just trying to get traded.

Gooden's playing the best ball of his **** career; he could be easier to deal than we think. (maybe that's a reach)

Strongly disagree. Gooden's contract is a pile of trash.

Minnesota's two forwards are trash.

So?

Ersan is the best piece in that deal by far, and we probably don't get a long term piece for him.

We get to clear a ton of salary and get a first rounder for him. I don't get how Milwaukee would possibly be the team to turn this down.

[ReasonablySober]

At the end of the day Gooden's contract, like Gadzuric's back in the day, isn't a killer. Guys making double and tripple him have much worse deals. I would never sacrrifice a legit asset to move him or Jackson.

And the cap space does nothing for me. We'll never sign a good free agent, and we don't have the assets to bring back someone worth a big contract.

[Newz]

At the end of the day Gooden's contract, like Gadzuric's back in the day, isn't a killer. Guys making double and tripple him have much worse deals. I would never sacrrifice a legit asset to move him or Jackson.

And the cap space does nothing for me. We'll never sign a good free agent, and we don't have the assets to bring back someone worth a big contract.

We aren't just sacrificing Ersan though. Ersan is clearing a ton of room AND getting us a draft pick in return. Man do you guys really overrate assets when they start to play well. Ersan is an expiring deal, there is no guarantee for whoever we deal him to that he even resigns there in the first place.

DB, I thought you were an intelligent poster and it absolutely blows my mind that you think the only thing cap space/expiring deals could be used for is to just sign guys out of free agency.

[averageposter]

Its not a terrible deal, but If Beno would really have opted out remaining here they don't really save any salary. And a late first is meh. Not sure why the national media is concerned with clearing up our salary by removing a guy with only an additional year remaining, what would the Bucks do with cap space if they made more trades and generated enough to sign a talented FA anyway? This team needs to deal for picks, or find a way to lose a Gooden, or a Headcase.

Losing Gooden saves us 6mil a year

That was an extra second deal if that goes down great the Bucks do then save some real salary. but I think thats a lot of salary to eat for Orlando after acquiring Ers, plus their other 4's I don't really see a need for them.

[ReasonablySober]

Read the last part of my last sentence.

[Badgerlander]

At the end of the day Gooden's contract, like Gadzuric's back in the day, isn't a killer. Guys making double and tripple him have much worse deals. I would never sacrrifice a legit asset to move him or Jackson.

And the cap space does nothing for me. We'll never sign a good free agent, and we don't have the assets to bring back someone worth a big contract.

What asset are we giving up? The hope that Ersan will get us a pick 16-20 instead of a late 20s pick? You can always try and resign Ersan, he did say he would go where the money is.

[Newz]

Read the last part of my last sentence.

It allows you to go to teams with bad contracts (Like Baron Davis to Cleveland) and see if you can absorb that awful salary to add a young asset/draft pick. In addition, you don't have to sign star free agents to make free agency worth it. We could very easily get a guy like Asik who could end up being a very good player that we don't have to max out.

What do you think Ersan is worth? What do you possibly think we could get for him that is any better than that deal?

We are talking about a guy who is a very good role player here... not a guy who could potentially be a top 3 player on a championship team or anything like that.

[Newz]

I mean hell... if you like Ersan that much, we could just resign the freaking guy with the cap space that we free up getting rid of those awful contracts.

[Kerb Hohl]

I side mostly with DB here. There are some cases where you can absorb stuff in a trade, but Gooden's deal doesn't bother me too much.