3rd Annual Fire Kidd Thread - Volume 2 (Horst Interview pg 14)

[paulpressey25]

At this point the only thing that's probably gonna prevent a midseason firing is the financial ramifications on Kidd's contract.

Feel like last night moved the needle towards a firing at some point between now and all-star break.

[KidA24]

If the new arena is half full because no changes are made, the revenue won’t be there and maybe the owners decide to pay whatever penalty there is that lets them move the team or sell it to someone who will. Paying a couple hundred million to move to a market that supports the team might be worth it in the long run.

But at least we’ll have a nice new arena for concerts and stuff...

They'd have to sell the team to the collection of current NBA owners for the amount they purchased it for.

Then, the NBA would be able to sell the team to a new ownership group at whatever cost they could get.

[Buck Dweller]

At this point the only thing that's probably gonna prevent a midseason firing is the financial ramifications on Kidd's contract.

Feel like last night moved the needle towards a firing at some point between now and all-star break.

agreed. i mean he said some seriously questionable stuff. maybe they just move him to a consultant role like thorne.

[Chad34]

*disclaimer- I'm not the most articulate, so I hope you can follow what im trying to express.

To whosoever, i.e. Bucks coaches,players, fans, and Giannis critiquers.
The following paragraph below comes from an article on the Bucks website stating Giannis has become an all star starter again.
I have a question. Why is it such a struggle for this organization to give Giannis the keys, and why is there any question from anyone on the team that he should be the alpha (players and coaches included)? Not only was he second in fan voting, but his peers gave him the most votes of any player in the league. Can you get any bigger endorsement? What more proof do you need that something is off with the way they're handling (using) Giannis lately? Its affecting his game. listen to the postgame interviews from middleton and bledsoe last night. middleton basically said its not his fault and bledsoe looked and acted like he could care less.


Milwaukee Bucks forward Giannis Antetokounmpo has been named a starter for the 2018 NBA All-Star Game, the league announced today. Across the NBA, Antetokounmpo received the most player votes (226), tied for the most media votes (99) and was second in fan voting (2,530,211). Antetokounmpo will be a starter in the All-Star Game for the second consecutive season. The 67th NBA All-Star Game will take place on Sunday, Feb. 18, at STAPLES Center in Los Angeles.

[stillgotgame]

We have an MVP this year, and we're struggling to stay above .500.
The "Cookie Monster" needs to go. Period.


"She claims that Kidd assaulted her while she was pregnant with the couple's first child and has struck her with everything from a large rock to a cookie."
Jason "The Cookie Monster" Kidd

[schmdal]

Anyone going to the PHX game Monday interested in wearing paper bags? It’s been fun listening to the boos get louder and stronger after Kidd’s announcement each game.


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[Sauce Boss]

Skimmed through the last page or so, and I don’t think anyone has shared this awesome take down of Kidd on Reddit. Breaks down are garbage sets against the Heat. Overall great stuff on our poor Xs and Os.

[FrieAaron]

Skimmed through the last page or so, and I don’t think anyone has shared this awesome take down of Kidd on Reddit. Breaks down are garbage sets against the Heat. Overall great stuff on our poor Xs and Os.

Craziest part of this is that top comment:

"Since Kidd started coaching, the Bucks were 27th, 30th, 28th, and 30th again in percentage of shots allowed at the rim. They're 30th, 29th, 30th, and 20th in allowing corner 3's.

In terms of midrange shots allowed, they were 1st, 1st, 1st, and 5th (lower number being bad, in this case)."

Is that true? Holy crap.

[JustinCredible]

It’s purely Coaching at this point. No reason we shouldn’t be at least a top-4 team in the East.

[Gianstoppable]

I dont think Kidd gets canned until maybe a couple weeks after the all star break. They are going to let him have his full health team and see how he does and thats a terrible call, IMO because obviously we will score more, so where the incentive to tighten everything else up? Jabari is going to save Kidd's job, even if it's only for another month or two.

Edit: This is how I feel, not what I want. Kidd would have been fired last year if it was my call.

[Plossum]

I think we’re stuck with him until season’s end unless something dramatic like a senior player group coup happens. Brass will feel like they owe it to Kidd to see year out.

[Sauce Boss]

Skimmed through the last page or so, and I don’t think anyone has shared this awesome take down of Kidd on Reddit. Breaks down are garbage sets against the Heat. Overall great stuff on our poor Xs and Os.

Craziest part of this is that top comment:

"Since Kidd started coaching, the Bucks were 27th, 30th, 28th, and 30th again in percentage of shots allowed at the rim. They're 30th, 29th, 30th, and 20th in allowing corner 3's.

In terms of midrange shots allowed, they were 1st, 1st, 1st, and 5th (lower number being bad, in this case)."

Is that true? Holy crap.

I believe so. He’s not very good at his job.

[truly]

My biggest fear is that somehow the Bucks get lucky and win a playoff series purely due to talent (Giannis/Midds gets hot etc) and they decide to keep him.Honestly i dont see what can change if he is fired now and someone from his staff takes over.If i could i would fire them all and bring in Fizdale.

[Fotis St]

Somebody tell Kidd and coaching staff that while down 4 and 38 sec left .... you should foul.
Last game against Miami we didn't foul ... we played D for 20 sec and then fouled. This is trash coaching. Down 4 (2 basket game) ... you foul, send them to FT, stop the clock and even if they make both FTs, down 6 is still 2 basket game ( 2 3pts) ... Edit: (Just saw it again) Middleton made the 3 and were down 4 43sec left.... then Khris shout "No Foul"... and we didn't, they shot at the buzzer and ended up with a jumpball.
I know most of you know how bad Kidd is as a coach, just adding exhibits.

[yannisk]

Somebody tell Kidd and coaching staff that while down 4 and 38 sec left .... you should foul.
Last game against Miami we didn't foul ... we played D for 20 sec and then fouled. This is trash coaching. Down 4 (2 basket game) ... you foul, send them to FT, stop the clock and even if they make both FTs, down 6 is still 2 basket game ( 2 3pts) ... Middleton made the 3 but we didn't have any time left for us, all the time was for Miami.
I know most of you know how bad Kidd is a coach, just adding exhibits.

He was hoping for our 4 point play. Always adjust his strategy according to 4 point plays. Maybe he had a traumatic experience as a child, a prophetic dream, or a fortune teller told him something. Nevertheless he avoids going 4 points up and prefers having 4 point deficits

[Wooderson]

If Detroit wins tonight the Bucks will be the 9 seed if they lose to Philly tomorrow.

[Wooderson]

Lowe touches on the Bucks defense in his latest 10 Things column.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22146666/zach-lowe-10-things-like-including-other-clippers-nba

3. A particular subset of Milwaukee's hyper-aggressive defense

There is room for an aggressive, extended defense that goes against the grain -- provided the team has the personnel for it. The rangy Bucks do. But in the age of drive-and-kick 3s, even a team with multiple Giannis Antetokounmpos would have to exercise some moderation against certain actions.

As I wrote in this space, Jason Kidd doesn't have to overhaul his entire NBA belief system. The tweaks can be small, and even opponent-specific. Switch more. Stop at the level of the screen, or just above it, instead of trapping every ball handler as if they are all Steph Curry. Scrap some of the random double-teaming of guys who don't merit it.

One particular Bucks bugaboo -- the unnecessary, prolonged swarming of the strong side:

http://media.video-cdn.espn.com/gifs/mp4/MIL_MIA_1_14_BAD_BUCKS_D_2gif.mp4

The Bucks unleash hell to contain that initial Goran Dragic-James Johnson pick-and-roll. Antetokounmpo flashes out to corral Dragic, and John Henson shifts away from Hassan Whiteside to patrol Johnson. It works! Dragic picks up his dribble, and Antetokounmpo scurries back to Johnson as Dragic's pass arrives there. Crisis averted.

Except the Bucks remain in crisis mode. Henson hovers over Johnson, almost doubling him, as if Antetokounmpo might need help (he doesn't). The ripple effect: Eric Bledsoe has to abandon Tyler Johnson in the left corner, and park on Whiteside's hip.

Spoiler:

The Heat go Johnson-to-Johnson for a triple that should never have been available to them.

Here's another:

http://media.video-cdn.espn.com/gifs/mp4/Bad_Bucks_Defense__2gif.mp4

I'd like to see Darren Collison score over President Malcolm Brogdon along the baseline. He might flip in an up-and-under, but I'd force him to try. Henson instead leaves Myles Turner to snuff Collison's drive, only no one rotates to Turner. That was Bledsoe's job. I'm just not sure it had to be.

[sidney lanier]

My biggest fear is that somehow the Bucks get lucky and win a playoff series purely due to talent (Giannis/Midds gets hot etc) and they decide to keep him.Honestly i dont see what can change if he is fired now and someone from his staff takes over.If i could i would fire them all and bring in Fizdale.

Who knows what winning a playoff series would lead to? Maybe eventually the ECF, the Finals, a ring? The mental picture of Giannis and Kidd hoisting the Larry O'Brien trophy must give you nightmares.

[Treebeard]

My biggest fear is that somehow the Bucks get lucky and win a playoff series purely due to talent (Giannis/Midds gets hot etc) and they decide to keep him.Honestly i dont see what can change if he is fired now and someone from his staff takes over.If i could i would fire them all and bring in Fizdale.

Who knows what winning a playoff series would lead to? Maybe eventually the ECF, the Finals, a ring? The mental picture of Giannis and Kidd hoisting the Larry O'Brien trophy must give you nightmares.

If the Kidd led Bucks go to the ECF or finals, all is forgiven in my book and I will eat all the fricasseed crow you can serve. Honestly, I do not expect that Kidd can get the Bucks to that outcome, even with more years allowed.

[JimmyTheKid]

Lowe touches on the Bucks defense in his latest 10 Things column.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22146666/zach-lowe-10-things-like-including-other-clippers-nba

3. A particular subset of Milwaukee's hyper-aggressive defense

There is room for an aggressive, extended defense that goes against the grain -- provided the team has the personnel for it. The rangy Bucks do. But in the age of drive-and-kick 3s, even a team with multiple Giannis Antetokounmpos would have to exercise some moderation against certain actions.

As I wrote in this space, Jason Kidd doesn't have to overhaul his entire NBA belief system. The tweaks can be small, and even opponent-specific. Switch more. Stop at the level of the screen, or just above it, instead of trapping every ball handler as if they are all Steph Curry. Scrap some of the random double-teaming of guys who don't merit it.

One particular Bucks bugaboo -- the unnecessary, prolonged swarming of the strong side:

http://media.video-cdn.espn.com/gifs/mp4/MIL_MIA_1_14_BAD_BUCKS_D_2gif.mp4

The Bucks unleash hell to contain that initial Goran Dragic-James Johnson pick-and-roll. Antetokounmpo flashes out to corral Dragic, and John Henson shifts away from Hassan Whiteside to patrol Johnson. It works! Dragic picks up his dribble, and Antetokounmpo scurries back to Johnson as Dragic's pass arrives there. Crisis averted.

Except the Bucks remain in crisis mode. Henson hovers over Johnson, almost doubling him, as if Antetokounmpo might need help (he doesn't). The ripple effect: Eric Bledsoe has to abandon Tyler Johnson in the left corner, and park on Whiteside's hip.

Spoiler:

The Heat go Johnson-to-Johnson for a triple that should never have been available to them.

Here's another:

http://media.video-cdn.espn.com/gifs/mp4/Bad_Bucks_Defense__2gif.mp4

I'd like to see Darren Collison score over President Malcolm Brogdon along the baseline. He might flip in an up-and-under, but I'd force him to try. Henson instead leaves Myles Turner to snuff Collison's drive, only no one rotates to Turner. That was Bledsoe's job. I'm just not sure it had to be.

Wait I thought the defense changed after the Utah loss?