2019 Bucks Off Season Thread - Trades, Transactions - Korver Signs

benultimate · Post #501 » by **benultimate** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 3:32 am

ACGB wrote:I hope we find out soon whatever it is they are trying to do that is holding up completing the other deals.

Feels to me like we've been in touch with Cleveland for a Leuer/Ersan (or some other combination) for JR Smith type deal and they're asking for our new Pacers pick to get it done. Maybe whoever blinks first.

TroyD92 · Post #502 » by **TroyD92** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 3:36 am

benultimate wrote:
ACGB wrote:I hope we find out soon whatever it is they are trying to do that is holding up completing the other deals.

Feels to me like we've been in touch with Cleveland for a Leuer/Ersan (or some other combination) for JR Smith type deal and they're asking for our new Pacers pick to get it done. Maybe whoever blinks first.

Isn’t JR expiring ?

curmudgeon767 · Post #503 » by **curmudgeon767** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 3:41 am

I don't know why some people have their undies in a bind about this. I looked up Thanasisisis' NBA stats and he has a career per36 of 36 points and 6 rebounds. https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/antetth01.html :lol:

What? Just trying to instill a bit of levity. I have fond memories of Walt Wesley, though to be brutally honest, when I looked up Walt's career per36, it turned out he was better than I remembered........

Nowak008 · Post #504 » by **Nowak008** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 3:41 am

Chuck Diesel wrote:I’m really not “upset.” I enjoy talking about Bucks transactions on a forum specifically designed to do so. Have since 2004. The only people who are ever really upset are those who charge others with being upset.

People also tend to get upset when a NBA player commits crimes against humanity.

benultimate · Post #505 » by **benultimate** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 3:42 am

TroyD92 wrote:
Isn’t JR expiring ?

He has $15m owing to him for 19/20 but only $3.8m guaranteed if waived before 15th July. They've already agreed to push that guarantee date back from 30th June to keep shopping him around.

TroyD92 · Post #506 » by **TroyD92** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 3:45 am

benultimate wrote:
TroyD92 wrote:
Isn’t JR expiring ?

He has $15m owing to him for 19/20 but only $3.8m guaranteed if waived before 15th July. They've already agreed to push that guarantee date back from 30th June to keep shopping him around.

I see. I’d guess that if it’s Ersan they’d do it straight up considering Ersan will definitely have value this next season as a player and an expiring.

Nowak008 · Post #507 » by **Nowak008** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 3:55 am

People who like to bag on Westbrook for chasing triple doubles seems weird to me. It’s impressive. His team has been one of the top rebounding teams in the league the last 5 years and he is a big part of it. Just because he isn’t a top 5 guy in the league doesn’t mean he isn’t a good player.

He would be a good second banana to Giannis and move Mid properly to the 3rd banana slot. Russ is an order of magnitude better than Bledsoe.

If we could deal Bledsoe + Ersan + Jon L+ the Indy picks we should absolutely do that. (but I don’t think we can trade Bledsoe until later)

It would send us way into the tax but...billionaires with a B.

TroyD92 · Post #508 » by **TroyD92** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 4:01 am

Nowak008 wrote:People who like to bag on Westbrook for chasing triple doubles seems weird to me. It’s impressive. His team has been one of the top rebounding teams in the league the last 5 years and he is a big part of it. Just because he isn’t a top 5 guy in the league doesn’t mean he isn’t a good player.

He would be a good second banana to Giannis and move Mid properly to the 3rd banana slot. Russ is an order of magnitude better than Bledsoe.

If we could deal Bledsoe + Ersan + Jon L+ the Indy picks we should absolutely do that. (but I don’t think we can trade Bledsoe until later)

It would send us way into the tax but...billionaires with a B.

He had a 50% TS% and shot 29% on over six three point attempts a game. From an efficiency standpoint he’s a significant downgrade from Bledsoe.

Pachinko_ · Post #509 » by **Pachinko_** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 4:06 am

What does signing Thanasis have to do with resigning Giannis? Both their contracts expire at the same time, Giannis can just ask his next team to sign both of them LOL

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TroyD92 · Post #510 » by **TroyD92** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 4:07 am

Pachinko_ wrote:What does signing Thanasis have to do with resigning Giannis? Both their contracts expire at the same time, Giannis can just ask his next team to sign both of them LOL

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He’s eligible for an extension next year.

Pachinko_ · Post #511 » by **Pachinko_** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 4:10 am

TroyD92 wrote:
Pachinko_ wrote:What does signing Thanasis have to do with resigning Giannis? Both their contracts expire at the same time, Giannis can just ask his next team to sign both of them LOL

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He’s eligible for an extension next year.

Yeah, but I'm sure he understands he will still be signing for the years when his bro will be out of contract. What I'm saying is if they wanted to use Thanos as leverage they'd have to do 3 years.

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Iheartfootball · Post #512 » by **Iheartfootball** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 4:20 am

Chuck Diesel wrote:That’s cool. Agree to disagree. And for the record, I do like Thanasis for what he is and will be rooting for him. It continues a cool family story and I take no pleasure in being like “this guy is TRASH!” Just fundamentally disagree on this type of roster construction.

And that’s exactly it. If I think that my principles should match this franchises I’m going to be disappointed *most*, not all, times. It’s what’s happened over and over. I have to accept that this franchise isn’t the best run in all of the NBA and they will make mistakes. Hopefully having the greatest player in the league balances that out.

i.e. not firing Kidd sooner, keeping Hambone around so long, the contracts they’ve doled out, roster construction, etc.

ClassicJack · Post #513 » by **ClassicJack** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 4:24 am

Pachinko_ wrote:
TroyD92 wrote:
Pachinko_ wrote:What does signing Thanasis have to do with resigning Giannis? Both their contracts expire at the same time, Giannis can just ask his next team to sign both of them LOL

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He’s eligible for an extension next year.

Yeah, but I'm sure he understands he will still be signing for the years when his bro will be out of contract. What I'm saying is if they wanted to use Thanos as leverage they'd have to do 3 years.

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You're overthinking it. The goal is clearly to get Giannis to sign the extension next summer and keep him away from unrestricted free agency. If he doesn't sign next summer I would consider him as good as gone.

Pachinko_ · Post #514 » by **Pachinko_** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 4:30 am

ClassicJack wrote:
Pachinko_ wrote:
TroyD92 wrote:
He’s eligible for an extension next year.

Yeah, but I'm sure he understands he will still be signing for the years when his bro will be out of contract. What I'm saying is if they wanted to use Thanos as leverage they'd have to do 3 years.

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You're overthinking it. The goal is clearly to get Giannis to sign the extension next summer and keep him away from unrestricted free agency. If he doesn't sign next summer I would consider him as good as gone.

I understand this is thw goal, I just dont get how signing Thanos for 2 years has any bearing whatsoever. They can both expire and move on at the same time.

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raferfenix · Post #515 » by **raferfenix** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 4:38 am

benultimate wrote:
ACGB wrote:I hope we find out soon whatever it is they are trying to do that is holding up completing the other deals.

Feels to me like we've been in touch with Cleveland for a Leuer/Ersan (or some other combination) for JR Smith type deal and they're asking for our new Pacers pick to get it done. Maybe whoever blinks first.

OKC needs to cut cap to avoid up to $40 million in post-PG luxury tax if we might be trying to do a 3-way for Gallinari.

Alternatively if the Bucks give up another first to drop salary for ourselves fans should riot.

mke_design · Post #516 » by **mke_design** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 4:43 am

Pachinko_ wrote:
ClassicJack wrote:
Pachinko_ wrote:
Yeah, but I'm sure he understands he will still be signing for the years when his bro will be out of contract. What I'm saying is if they wanted to use Thanos as leverage they'd have to do 3 years.

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You're overthinking it. The goal is clearly to get Giannis to sign the extension next summemakingr and keep him away from unrestricted free agency. If he doesn't sign next summer I would consider him as good as gone.
I understand this is thw goal, I just dont get how signing Thanos for 2 years has any bearing whatsoever. They can both expire and move on at the same time.

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Because Giannis will be traded if he doesn’t sign next summer plain and simple. Thanasis is the bargaining chip hanging over his head. If he were to stay or want another team to make a trade, it would be even more difficult for another team to acquire him if they can’t assure Giannis they get Thanasis too.

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Chuck Diesel · Post #517 » by **Chuck Diesel** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 4:57 am

Wouldn’t be surprised if they just name Vin Baker coach of the Herd after striking out on convincing any of their targets to move to Oshkosh. The search has been going on since March.

Pachinko_ · Post #518 » by **Pachinko_** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 4:59 am

mke_design wrote:
Pachinko_ wrote:
ClassicJack wrote:
You're overthinking it. The goal is clearly to get Giannis to sign the extension next summemakingr and keep him away from unrestricted free agency. If he doesn't sign next summer I would consider him as good as gone.
I understand this is thw goal, I just dont get how signing Thanos for 2 years has any bearing whatsoever. They can both expire and move on at the same time.

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Because Giannis will be traded if he doesn’t sign next summer plain and simple. Thanasis is the bargaining chip hanging over his head. If he were to stay or want another team to make a trade, it would be even more difficult for another team to acquire him if they can’t assure Giannis they get Thanasis too.

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I think Giannis probably wanted to get his brother a foot in the door somewhere in this League, not necessarily on his team. I doubt Thanasis will be a factor on his decision, he wants to help his family in general but he was fine all these years without a brother on his team.

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Chuck Diesel · Post #519 » by **Chuck Diesel** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 5:22 am

paulpressey25 wrote:
Chuck Diesel wrote:That’s cool. Agree to disagree. And for the record, I do like Thanasis for what he is and will be rooting for him. It continues a cool family story and I take no pleasure in being like “this guy is TRASH!” Just fundamentally disagree on this type of roster construction.

You’re old enough to remember Jack Haley.

Also, I’m rusty in new CBA. What type of Bird rights do we get with a two-year? We can get Giannis family more $$ with a Bird rights contract to Thanasis two years from now? Would I condone such salary cap skullduggery? Normally no, but given that we will be fighting the entire coastal media establishment to keep Giannis, we need to use every trick in the book.

Jack Haley was before my NBA consciousness extended all the way down the bench. I’m useless with CBA stuff.

mke_design · Post #520 » by **mke_design** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 5:47 am

Pachinko_ wrote:
mke_design wrote:
Pachinko_ wrote:I understand this is thw goal, I just dont get how signing Thanos for 2 years has any bearing whatsoever. They can both expire and move on at the same time.

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Because Giannis will be traded if he doesn’t sign next summer plain and simple. Thanasis is the bargaining chip hanging over his head. If he were to stay or want another team to make a trade, it would be even more difficult for another team to acquire him if they can’t assure Giannis they get Thanasis too.

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I think Giannis probably wanted to get his brother a foot in the door somewhere in this League, not necessarily on his team. I doubt Thanasis will be a factor on his decision, he wants to help his family in general but he was fine all these years without a brother on his team.

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Which i believe is the most likely scenario, but if we’re going down a rabbit hole I’m taking that **** to the bottom.

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