#24 - MarJon Beauchamp - NEW POLL ADDED 12/4/23

[jschligs]

I'm all in. I have no real reason to be all in. But here I am. MarJon I'm a believer, he's going to be the steal of the draft.

[Turk Nowitzki]

Haven't thought about Nwora in weeks! It's so hard for me to believe he'd be back. He couldn't have had a clearer path to contributing with Midds down and the coaches obviously didn't think he could handle it.

I felt like I was one of the more patient Nwora fans on this board, but dude really didn't seize the opportunity or any opportunity this season. The fact he was so frustrating when he played kind of exemplified why he wasn't a first round pick despite his scoring prowess.

Yeah, it seemed like the organization was desperately hoping for Nwora to step and up and be a rotation player this year and he couldn't make the leap. It's probably time to move on and use his roster spot elsewhere.

[SirChurros]

I have a personal family experience with switching high schools. My sister went to three high schools her last two years, two her Sr. year, to put her in better situations to become a Dr. It worked out well.

So, I have no problem with parents of athletes doing the same type thing.

That’s cool and all, but it is a fair point to bring up. I don’t necessarily agree with it being a red flag, but I can’t fault someone for thinking it is. Especially when we have seen it from notable busts like Jalen Johnson.

[skones]

I have a personal family experience with switching high schools. My sister went to three high schools her last two years, two her Sr. year, to put her in better situations to become a Dr. It worked out well.

So, I have no problem with parents of athletes doing the same type thing.

That’s cool and all, but it is a fair point to bring up. I don’t necessarily agree with it being a red flag, but I can’t fault someone for thinking it is. Especially when we have seen it from notable busts like Jalen Johnson.

The business of basketball has changed. It's important to look at it from that perspective. Kids switching schools for better competition, more eyeballs, etc. is going to become far more commonplace than it's already been. Automatically assuming it's a red flag when everything is moving in this direction is rather shortsighted imo.

[SirChurros]

I have a personal family experience with switching high schools. My sister went to three high schools her last two years, two her Sr. year, to put her in better situations to become a Dr. It worked out well.

So, I have no problem with parents of athletes doing the same type thing.

That’s cool and all, but it is a fair point to bring up. I don’t necessarily agree with it being a red flag, but I can’t fault someone for thinking it is. Especially when we have seen it from notable busts like Jalen Johnson.

The business of basketball has changed. It's important to look at it from that perspective. Kids switching schools for better competition, more eyeballs, etc. is going to become far more commonplace than it's already been. Automatically assuming it's a red flag when everything is moving in this direction is rather shortsighted imo.

Kids switching schools that many times can also be a legitimate red flag, as in Jalen Johnson’s case. So while I don’t disagree with you, I think dismissing it as just “the business of basketball” is equally as shortsighted.

[Ron Swanson]

In the era of AAU ball, I can't imagine why anyone would give two **** about a kid bouncing around to multiple different high schools and basketball academies. Some of you are breaking out the microscope and really looking for stuff to nit-pick and psycho-analyze. Lots of stuff to critique with his game, but as I'm told the kids would say, "This ain't it".

[skones]

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That’s cool and all, but it is a fair point to bring up. I don’t necessarily agree with it being a red flag, but I can’t fault someone for thinking it is. Especially when we have seen it from notable busts like Jalen Johnson.

The business of basketball has changed. It's important to look at it from that perspective. Kids switching schools for better competition, more eyeballs, etc. is going to become far more commonplace than it's already been. Automatically assuming it's a red flag when everything is moving in this direction is rather shortsighted imo.

Kids switching schools that many times can also be a legitimate red flag, as in Jalen Johnson’s case. So while I don’t disagree with you, I think dismissing it as just “the business of basketball” is equally as shortsighted.

Which isn't something I'm doing or suggesting.

[SirChurros]

In the era of AAU ball, I can't imagine why anyone would give two **** about a kid bouncing around to multiple different high schools and basketball academies. Some of you are breaking out the microscope and really looking for stuff to nit-pick and psycho-analyze. Lots of stuff to critique with his game, but as I'm told the kids would say, "This ain't it".

4 high schools is not commonplace in the era of AAU ball. That’s just factually false. Two? Absolutely.

And no one is psycho analyzing anything. It’s just a counterpoint to those dismissing it as a non-issue, when it clearly can also be an issue (Johnson).

Now, by all accounts Beauchamp is not Johnson, but blindly dismissing it is as dumb as blindly calling it a red flag.

[SirChurros]

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The business of basketball has changed. It's important to look at it from that perspective. Kids switching schools for better competition, more eyeballs, etc. is going to become far more commonplace than it's already been. Automatically assuming it's a red flag when everything is moving in this direction is rather shortsighted imo.

Kids switching schools that many times can also be a legitimate red flag, as in Jalen Johnson’s case. So while I don’t disagree with you, I think dismissing it as just “the business of basketball” is equally as shortsighted.

Which isn't something I'm doing or suggesting.

Not insinuating you are, I was just defending JayMKE’s take.

[emunney]

I have a personal family experience with switching high schools. My sister went to three high schools her last two years, two her Sr. year, to put her in better situations to become a Dr. It worked out well.

So, I have no problem with parents of athletes doing the same type thing.

That’s cool and all, but it is a fair point to bring up. I don’t necessarily agree with it being a red flag, but I can’t fault someone for thinking it is. Especially when we have seen it from notable busts like Jalen Johnson.

Is Jalen Johnson a bust? Would have been happy to take him at 24.

[emunney]

I mean, he was a bust for Duke, no question.

[machu46]

In the era of AAU ball, I can't imagine why anyone would give two **** about a kid bouncing around to multiple different high schools and basketball academies. Some of you are breaking out the microscope and really looking for stuff to nit-pick and psycho-analyze. Lots of stuff to critique with his game, but as I'm told the kids would say, "This ain't it".

4 high schools is not commonplace in the era of AAU ball. That’s just factually false. Two? Absolutely.

And no one is psycho analyzing anything. It’s just a counterpoint to those dismissing it as a non-issue, when it clearly can also be an issue (Johnson).

Now, by all accounts Beauchamp is not Johnson, but blindly dismissing it is as dumb as blindly calling it a red flag.

It is pretty commonplace. Maybe not the average but it isn’t out of the ordinary anymore. Look up Dior Johnson lol. One of the top recruits in the country and he’s been to like 9 or 10 different high schools now. It’s nuts. Every D1 recruit that’s come out of my hometown the last 5 or so years has played for at least 2 or 3 different high schools. You pretty much have to nowadays; start out at a random public school, get recruited to a private school, and then parlay that into playing for one of the really big programs if you can.


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[SirChurros]

I have a personal family experience with switching high schools. My sister went to three high schools her last two years, two her Sr. year, to put her in better situations to become a Dr. It worked out well.

So, I have no problem with parents of athletes doing the same type thing.

That’s cool and all, but it is a fair point to bring up. I don’t necessarily agree with it being a red flag, but I can’t fault someone for thinking it is. Especially when we have seen it from notable busts like Jalen Johnson.

Is Jalen Johnson a bust? Would have been happy to take him at 24.

I would say that he has derailed his own career to this point. He was a near consensus top 10 pick for a long time, even through the high school shenanigans.

[Ron Swanson]

So what's the middle ground between dismissing it entirely and calling it a huge red flag? It's simply a circumstance of his life and youth basketball career, not some indicator of his work ethic and character. I don't think you really understand how some of these parents are in constantly moving these AAU kids around to different schools and sports academies in an effort to boost their recruiting prospects. It's nowhere near as uncommon these days as people think it is.

[emunney]

I think it's fair to call it a red flag in that it's something you want to check out and give some attention to. Not in the sense that it's disqualifying. I'd be surprised if teams don't ask about it either way; it's far more common for the elite guys to head to a basketball mill at some point than not, so if Marjon had just stayed at Rainier Beach, he'd have had to answer for that as well.

[SirChurros]

I think it's fair to call it a red flag in that it's something you want to check out and give some attention to. Not in the sense that it's disqualifying.

Yes. This.

And, again, four schools is not commonplace. Out of the top 10 in the class of 2022, the most schools for someone is three. Most are one or two.

[FrieAaron]

So what's the middle ground between dismissing it entirely and calling it a huge red flag? It's simply a circumstance of his life and youth basketball career, not some indicator of his work ethic and character. I don't think you really understand how some of these parents are in constantly moving these AAU kids around to different schools and sports academies in an effort to boost their recruiting prospects. It's nowhere near as uncommon these days as people think it is.

The only way it's a red flag to me at all is if he were getting kicked out of schools or something.

[SirChurros]

So what's the middle ground between dismissing it entirely and calling it a huge red flag? It's simply a circumstance of his life and youth basketball career, not some indicator of his work ethic and character. I don't think you really understand how some of these parents are in constantly moving these AAU kids around to different schools and sports academies in an effort to boost their recruiting prospects. It's nowhere near as uncommon these days as people think it is.

The only way it's a red flag to me at all is if he were getting kicked out of schools or something.

Or in Jalen Johnson’s scenario it was the sign of habitual character issues with either him/his camp. Both in high school at IMG and at Duke.

No one is saying it’s an automatic disqualified. But four schools is not the norm and does warrant digging.

[Ron Swanson]

So what's the middle ground between dismissing it entirely and calling it a huge red flag? It's simply a circumstance of his life and youth basketball career, not some indicator of his work ethic and character. I don't think you really understand how some of these parents are in constantly moving these AAU kids around to different schools and sports academies in an effort to boost their recruiting prospects. It's nowhere near as uncommon these days as people think it is.

The only way it's a red flag to me at all is if he were getting kicked out of schools or something.

Sure. And in the absence of literally any evidence that was the case, I then don't see any point in thinking it's weird that he attended 4 different high schools. Who cares?

[FrieAaron]

So what's the middle ground between dismissing it entirely and calling it a huge red flag? It's simply a circumstance of his life and youth basketball career, not some indicator of his work ethic and character. I don't think you really understand how some of these parents are in constantly moving these AAU kids around to different schools and sports academies in an effort to boost their recruiting prospects. It's nowhere near as uncommon these days as people think it is.

The only way it's a red flag to me at all is if he were getting kicked out of schools or something.

Or in Jalen Johnson’s scenario it was the sign of habitual character issues with either him/his camp. Both in high school at IMG and at Duke.

No one is saying it’s an automatic disqualified. But four schools is not the norm and does warrant digging.

I think we're all basically saying the same thing. Yeah, it's worth looking into and in this case there's nothing that really jumps out to me. Would you agree? It seems to all be either following his coach or going to a school where he felt like there was a better opportunity for him basketball-wise.