Preseason Game 5: Memphis at Milwaukee - 10/20/23 - 7:00 - BSWI - Khris a Go

[ReasonablySober]

Crowd with the DE-FENSE whispers.

Never change.

Death, taxes, me bitching about the crowd, Mickey bitching about Novak, DavidDunn bitching about the jersey colors, you bitching about me bitching about the crowd.

Honestly...fair.

[Chad34]

Maybe I have some blinders on, but I feel like Giannis does want to win more than he has an ego. I think he'll watch the game film, listen to the coaches and have a more concerted effort putting actions behind his words " setting 59 screens" etc.
They looked good in the first quarter until Rolo came in, in his tank

[soxperry]

Maybe I have some blinders on, but I feel like Giannis does want to win more than he has an ego. I think he'll watch the game film, listen to the coaches and have a more concerted effort putting actions behind his words " setting 59 screens" etc.
They looked good in the first quarter until Rolo came in, in his tank

agree, it's just that his version of wanting to win, for now, is still putting his head down and attempting to dominate.

[ShootingtheJ]

Yeah I saw that. I liked Marjon tonight but my first choice at SG is AJ Green. Imagine Green shooting all Giannis wasted 3PAs , within the flow of the game and not forcing like Beasley.
Who will tell Giannis to quit his point guard duties? Anyone has court side tickets next game ?

Why should Giannis quit playing PG? Do you have any data that shows its ineffective?

I agree with your other takes though. Green would feast on DHOs with Giannis. Green is no Bryn Forbes, he can actually pass.

There's no data that's relevant because he's never played with a PG like Dame. It makes no sense to take the ball out of Dame's hands as much as Giannis did tonight. Giannis made a big deal out of "setting 50 screens" for Dame. Now he needs to actually do it.

Dame should screen for Giannis more too.

[JonHeist]

AJ Green might be the best 3pt shooter on a team with Dame

we need to give him a chance, he's a next-gen Joe Harris, the kid can get up a good look from 3 every other minute he's on the floor and hit at least 40% 'em

[mediocrityrules]

Great hustle from the bench. 10 steals for the game, and 8 came from the bench units.

I am convinced that we currently have no idea what to do on offense, and the coaches are just letting the players try and figure it out, but two ball-dominant guys aren't going to do that on their own.

It also feels like Dame is currently 3rd-4th option on O. Beasley and Crowder are getting good looks before Dame even touches it on many possessions.

[Dick Tate]

Why should Giannis quit playing PG? Do you have any data that shows its ineffective?

I agree with your other takes though. Green would feast on DHOs with Giannis. Green is no Bryn Forbes, he can actually pass.

There's no data that's relevant because he's never played with a PG like Dame. It makes no sense to take the ball out of Dame's hands as much as Giannis did tonight. Giannis made a big deal out of "setting 50 screens" for Dame. Now he needs to actually do it.

And he should never look off a wide open Dame. I've seen him miss him multiple times in both games, and he even chose to shoot a three over passing to a wide open Lillard

One could speculate that might’ve been the straw that broke Stotts’ back.

[GrandAdmiralDan]

I am courtside for this game, right next to Bucks bench. I absolutely love what I've seen from Adrian Griffin this game. He definitely has the respect of our players, and they are fully bought in.

How does Prunty look?

Prunty was very solid. Very engaged.

Numerous times Prunty made sure to let Griffin know the exact time out situation like "It's your timeout next IF YOU WANT IT"

Sometimes Griffin acknowledged his input, sometimes Griffin just stayed focused on the game.

They seemed to have a good collaborative relationship.

I was very pleased to see how aware our coaching staff was of our timeout situations, as compared to Budenholzer's Fight Club approach to the concept of timeouts

[AussieBuck]

Props to Thanasis for anchoring the young unit and not **** it up.

[Bucksmaniac]

I am courtside for this game, right next to Bucks bench. I absolutely love what I've seen from Adrian Griffin this game. He definitely has the respect of our players, and they are fully bought in.

How does Prunty look?

Prunty was very solid. Very engaged.

Numerous times Prunty made sure to let Griffin know the exact time out situation like "It's your timeout next IF YOU WANT IT"

Sometimes Griffin acknowledged his input, sometimes Griffin just stayed focused on the game.

They seemed to have a good collaborative relationship.

I was very pleased to see how aware our coaching staff was of our timeout situations, as compared to Budenholzer's Fight Club approach to the concept of timeouts

Wouldn’t surprise me if we see Prunty in a similar spot to 2018 as next in command. Good to have him used to that role, he did it in Atlanta as well.

[fan230]

Yeah I saw that. I liked Marjon tonight but my first choice at SG is AJ Green. Imagine Green shooting all Giannis wasted 3PAs , within the flow of the game and not forcing like Beasley.
Who will tell Giannis to quit his point guard duties? Anyone has court side tickets next game ?

Why should Giannis quit playing PG? Do you have any data that shows its ineffective?

I agree with your other takes though. Green would feast on DHOs with Giannis. Green is no Bryn Forbes, he can actually pass.

I'm not sure what he numbers are but the flow looks completely off. Giannis alone barreling to the rim is a decent NBA offense but is not nearly as effective as it could be with Giannis playing off ball.

When Dame is on the floor, he should be running the offense. There are plenty of numbers that support he is more effective than Giannis offensively

I want Giannis finishing plays in transition and on the roll. Let Giannis be PG when Dame is out or the other team doesn't have a center on the court

Surprisingly today there was hardly any transition plays. I wonder why. Transition plays are where Giannis thrives.

[tedbrogen]

I think we’re in for a very rocky start. I think its going to be very hard for Giannis to break his habits.

Yep. That plus Beasily is legit awful on D even when he tries hard. Marjon might get lost from time to time off ball but you can’t attack him one on one like you can with Beasily. Even Green is better at staying in front of his man than Beasily.

Eventually they’ll figure out Dame should be the PG most of the time, Marjon or Green should start for Beasily, and AJJ needs a ton of minutes because he creates absolute chaos. Anytime there is a loose ball, somehow AJJ is right there. His instincts are next level.

Also the center rotation should be: Brook, Bobby, Giannis, TA, then just play without one because RoLo shouldn’t be used in non-garbage time.

It’ll just take some time for the advanced stats to show how bad Beasily and RoLo are and how much more efficient the offense is with Dame handling the ball.

[mattg]

Maybe I have some blinders on, but I feel like Giannis does want to win more than he has an ego. I think he'll watch the game film, listen to the coaches and have a more concerted effort putting actions behind his words " setting 59 screens" etc.
They looked good in the first quarter until Rolo came in, in his tank

Eh, Giannis definitely wants to win, but I think this is pie in the sky thinking. Giannis has shown nothing in a literal decade to demonstrate he will alter his game away from his bulldozer in a tunnel style. At a certain point guys are who they are, Giannis is just never going to morph into the idealized version of Giannis who is the greatest roll man ever. It just is never going to happen. On paper Giannis could be SO MUCH MORE THAN HE IS. On paper, he could be the literal GOAT of the basketball with an altered approach...but that's just not in the cards.

[tedbrogen]

Maybe I have some blinders on, but I feel like Giannis does want to win more than he has an ego. I think he'll watch the game film, listen to the coaches and have a more concerted effort putting actions behind his words " setting 59 screens" etc.
They looked good in the first quarter until Rolo came in, in his tank

I agree. In the 1st quarter Giannis was deferring to Dame to initiate the offense. The ball was moving well. Giannis and Brook were clogging the paint so it didn’t matter that Dame and Beasily have zero chance to stop penetration. And you could see that it’s a massive problem for defenses to deal with all the gravity from Dame, Giannis, and Midds (who teams still are afraid to leave to help).

Then RoLo came in and the lead evaporated because Bane started attacking Beasily with RoLo’s man screening.

Then Giannis was out there with bench players (but not the good, energetic young ones) and Beasily and he got back into his old habits of top of the key drives into walls, bad threes, and missing free throws.

Team kind of went low effort for a while until Dame ended up out there in the second half with the youngsters and they cut into the lead. Then the youngsters plus TA brought it home with effort, AJJ being a menace, Green’s shooting, and Marjon playing well in almost every aspect. (Legit I only caught one play where he messed up on a defensive rotation)

[tedbrogen]

Maybe I have some blinders on, but I feel like Giannis does want to win more than he has an ego. I think he'll watch the game film, listen to the coaches and have a more concerted effort putting actions behind his words " setting 59 screens" etc.
They looked good in the first quarter until Rolo came in, in his tank

Eh, Giannis definitely wants to win, but I think this is pie in the sky thinking. Giannis has shown nothing in a literal decade to demonstrate he will alter his game away from his bulldozer in a tunnel style. At a certain point guys are who they are, Giannis is just never going to morph into the idealized version of Giannis who is the greatest roll man ever. It just is never going to happen. On paper Giannis could be SO MUCH MORE THAN HE IS. On paper, he could be the literal GOAT of the basketball with an altered approach...but that's just not in the cards.

Not true entirely. In the finals he deferred to Midds at the end of games. The almost exclusively ran PnR with Giannis screening for Midds in late game situations.

[mattg]

Maybe I have some blinders on, but I feel like Giannis does want to win more than he has an ego. I think he'll watch the game film, listen to the coaches and have a more concerted effort putting actions behind his words " setting 59 screens" etc.
They looked good in the first quarter until Rolo came in, in his tank

Eh, Giannis definitely wants to win, but I think this is pie in the sky thinking. Giannis has shown nothing in a literal decade to demonstrate he will alter his game away from his bulldozer in a tunnel style. At a certain point guys are who they are, Giannis is just never going to morph into the idealized version of Giannis who is the greatest roll man ever. It just is never going to happen. On paper Giannis could be SO MUCH MORE THAN HE IS. On paper, he could be the literal GOAT of the basketball with an altered approach...but that's just not in the cards.

Not true entirely. In the finals he deferred to Midds at the end of games. The almost exclusively ran PnR with Giannis screening for Midds in late game situations.

Giannis was coming off a serious injury that limited him AND Phoenix absolutely froze under the pressure and decided to not play defense on Giannis like every single other team that had success against us did. We got exceedingly lucky with our path to the finals that year, and then the Suns deciding that instead of looking at the tape of every other team that had given Giannis absolute fits in the playoffs, to throw all of that out the window.

Also, the fact that we won a title with Giannis acting as a roll man, and then him completely refusing to implement that into his game for the next 2 seasons sorta confirms exactly what I said. We can point to a 6 game sample, or we could look at everything else. If literally winning a title doing one thing won't convince Giannis to change, what will?

[tedbrogen]

Dude did anyone see Green stay in front of Lofton and then box him out? Absolutely needs to be in the lineup

Green is way better at staying in front of people than he gets credit for. During one of the many times last season when the Bucks turned TJ McConnell into Prime Jordan, the only guy that stayed in front of TJ was Green when he took a charge in one of those games.

He gets into a stance and moves his feet. Every. Time.

[buckboy]

Yeah I saw that. I liked Marjon tonight but my first choice at SG is AJ Green. Imagine Green shooting all Giannis wasted 3PAs , within the flow of the game and not forcing like Beasley.
Who will tell Giannis to quit his point guard duties? Anyone has court side tickets next game ?

Why should Giannis quit playing PG? Do you have any data that shows its ineffective?

I agree with your other takes though. Green would feast on DHOs with Giannis. Green is no Bryn Forbes, he can actually pass.

There's no data that's relevant because he's never played with a PG like Dame. It makes no sense to take the ball out of Dame's hands as much as Giannis did tonight. Giannis made a big deal out of "setting 50 screens" for Dame. Now he needs to actually do it.

And1 x infinity

It's really not that difficult.

They'll figure it out

[buckboy]

Only time RoLo should see the floor.

1. As a human victory cigar
2. Beating up mascots

Any significant or crunch time minutes should get AG fired on the spot.

He shouldn't play much, but this an overreaction.

[buckboy]

Props to Thanasis for anchoring the young unit and not **** it up.

Working on moving ip to 359th best player in the league.


Progress.