Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions

[WeMajor34]

I’m predicting that the MarJon trade happens sooner than later. It’s going to be one of Horst’s “save face” moves that attempts to bring in some sort of talent to soften the blow of the early season struggles.

For the most part, the team is what it is until recently signed players become trade eligible. Should be a very interesting couple of months leading up to the deadline. I know it’s only been Game 3 but we have a tough schedule ahead. If we keep losing like we have it’s going to slowly turn up the pressure on the organization to do something big.

[fansinceforever]

With our personnel, we're not going to be good defensively. That ship has sailed. Your best players are the main culprits for why we suck on that end.

If the plan is keep this group together, every move should be made with the idea of having a top 5 offense. How we get the players to actually execute offensively is a whole nother issue.

[ReasonablySober]

On one hand it feels like we really need Bobby's scoring with the offense so mucked up and Middleton still sidelined. On the other, he's become such a lineup killer on defense that I don't know where you can feasibly hide him on that end anymore. It's....a conundrum.

I think he's a bigger problem offensively, to be honest. He's an iso scorer taking the least valuable shots in the game. He's the type who'd score 20 a night on a team he's tank commanding to a high draft pick.

[bucksfansince88]

first thing ownership needs to do is hire a competent POBO and demote Horst. our scouting is and has been terrible, Horst drafts like a guy thats never played the game he's overly fascinated by the same player archetype. long-athletic, defender, but cant shoot and lacking overall feel for the game.

[DingleJerry]

Assume no Giannis/Dame trade. The only move to truly shake things up enough to be anything more than tinkering would be Brook out and embracing Giannis as the 5 for the whole structure of the team. Don't really wanna argue if its correct move, but its really the only thing that is more than marginal things that probably won't make a difference.

[ReasonablySober]

I think if this is a .500ish team in January anything outside of Giannis will be on the table. Dame, Khris, Brook...everyone.

[JayMKE]

They should be shopping Dame, the combination with Giannis doesn't work and he simply makes too much money and is too old. We can't have a guard that needs to pound the ball for 30 shots a night to come across as positive value, we need a guy who plays defense distributes the ball and can hit catch & shoot 3s.

Getting what we gave up in return would be a godsend

I don't think you can really do anything with this core at this point

[MickeyDavis]

We'd never get back an equivalent return on Dame. Not saying we shouldn't look at it if the team continues down this road. But we aren't getting a Jrue, Grayson, 2029 first and 2028/2030 pick swaps. Not even close.

[KidA24]

Through 3 games:

12th in pace (playing too slow)
15th in DRB% (can't rebound)
Dead last in dTOV% (not getting any turnovers)
12th in opp efg% (actually not bad)

17th in oTOV% (turn it over too much)
5th in efg% (yay!)
28th in ORB%

The most glaringly noticeable thing is that the Giannis minutes so far this year are, well, mediocre at best. You wouldn't see minutes with Giannis on the court where the Bucks regularly got destroyed under Bud.

He has a negative net rating so far this season.

[DingleJerry]

Yea Dame for sure has to be in discussions too if things are still blah in two months. Personally, I'd be curious how the PnRs with him would look with only 1 big on the floor rather than 2 as well as having all 4 of the others being mobile. The issues above have never been a problem in his career, before coming here. Ball movement, iso, and everyone being involved was never an issue in Por.

[Ron Swanson]

The only times where the offense has looked functional is with Dame out there, and it collapses when he's not (10.9 points per-100 worse). The "MOAR Giannis post and elbow touches" narrative is taking a massive L right now, but it's his play in general that is indeed the biggest problem. He's still his usual uber-efficient self (28 PPG on 66.5% TS), but he's just killing the flow of the offense with his poor decision-making and tunnel vision.

The turnovers, getting out-hustled on the offensive glass, Giannis not processing the court fast enough, etc. Very few of these problems can be attributed to age, so I'm not sure what you do there outside of them needing more reps to fix it. But I am finally at the point to entertain the idea that Giannis taking a big step back on offensive usage in a 2008 KG kind of role might be the best for everyone involved.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

I think if this is a .500ish team in January anything outside of Giannis will be on the table. Dame, Khris, Brook...everyone.

if we are a .500 team in January Giannis should be on the table. from an owners perspective, this team isn't worth the tax bill. From an operations perspective, we are maxed out and I don't think you can add talent that will make us better in the next 18 months. At that point, you have 2.5 years of Giannis on a contract in his prime. You start calling OKC, Spurs, etc and seeing if you can get the biggest trade package in history. then trade Dame, Brook and Kris for pennies on the dollar.

[ReasonablySober]

I think if this is a .500ish team in January anything outside of Giannis will be on the table. Dame, Khris, Brook...everyone.

if we are a .500 team in January Giannis should be on the table. from an owners perspective, this team isn't worth the tax bill. From an operations perspective, we are maxed out and I don't think you can add talent that will make us better in the next 18 months. At that point, you have 2.5 years of Giannis on a contract in his prime. You start calling OKC, Spurs, etc and seeing if you can get the biggest trade package in history. then trade Dame, Brook and Kris for pennies on the dollar.

Nah. I just can't envisioning getting to that point no matter what the team looks like. Like you said, we still have 2.5 years of Giannis at that point and some team will still offer the greatest package in NBA history if we're no closer a year from now.

Obviously the best case scenario is Khris returns and the Bucks start to roll, looking like a legit Finals favorite.

But short of that, the best case would be Khris looking good and Dame continuing to play efficient, explosive scoring basketball, with the downfall being a surrounding cast that's just not good enough. Dame and Khris could bring back legitimate returns, Dame especially. I think Brook would get you something valuable as well.

Tear everything down around Giannis and attempt to reload next summer for one last attempt.

[fansinceforever]

If we're a .500 team, no one is going to pay anything valueable for the players around Giannis.

If that's where we're at and Giannis is down for a rebuild, sure let's have the conversation. Let's be honest, in that situation we're beyond cooked.

[Ron Swanson]

I can't imagine a scenario where the franchise completely gives up on the Dame/Giannis pairing without seeing them play a single playoff minute together. That's really all that matters here.

[Daver]

I can't imagine a scenario where the franchise completely gives up on the Dame/Giannis pairing without seeing them play a single playoff minute together. That's really all that matters here.

Think management wants to see a midds dame n giannis playoff series b4 any trade of tje big 3 is done

[ReasonablySober]

For the sake of argument, is there team out there with the Clippers level package that it would take to get Giannis?

[msiris]

The only times where the offense has looked functional is with Dame out there, and it collapses when he's not (10.9 points per-100 worse). The "MOAR Giannis post and elbow touches" narrative is taking a massive L right now, but it's his play in general that is indeed the biggest problem. He's still his usual uber-efficient self (28 PPG on 66.5% TS), but he's just killing the flow of the offense with his poor decision-making and tunnel vision.

The turnovers, getting out-hustled on the offensive glass, Giannis not processing the court fast enough, etc. Very few of these problems can be attributed to age, so I'm not sure what you do there outside of them needing more reps to fix it. But I am finally at the point to entertain the idea that Giannis taking a big step back on offensive usage in a 2008 KG kind of role might be the best for everyone involved.

I think the offense would be better if Dame would attack way more then he does.

[StickeeFingaz]

Through 3 games:

12th in pace (playing too slow)
15th in DRB% (can't rebound)
Dead last in dTOV% (not getting any turnovers)
12th in opp efg% (actually not bad)

17th in oTOV% (turn it over too much)
5th in efg% (yay!)
28th in ORB%

The most glaringly noticeable thing is that the Giannis minutes so far this year are, well, mediocre at best. You wouldn't see minutes with Giannis on the court where the Bucks regularly got destroyed under Bud.

He has a negative net rating so far this season.

Yep. Years prior, when Giannis was on the floor there was a massive feeling of impact on both ends of the floor, tilting the court to our advantage. That feeling just isn’t there so far this year.

[paulpressey25]

Assume no Giannis/Dame trade. The only move to truly shake things up enough to be anything more than tinkering would be Brook out and embracing Giannis as the 5 for the whole structure of the team. Don't really wanna argue if its correct move, but its really the only thing that is more than marginal things that probably won't make a difference.

Think if we dealt Brook that Giannis would be ticked. There goes his security blanket to take the pounding down low.

Preferences for outcomes:

1) Khris comes back and can play 30mpg for the balance of the season
2) Giannis tells owners he’s good with a re-load and one or two of Brook/Dame/Khris dealt for younger guys and/or draft picks
3) Trade Dame to somewhere that he brings a complimentary haul (PG and Defender)

None of those things will happen however.