Middleton/Johnson to Wash for Kuzma/Baldwin
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Value of this trade lies completely in what we can do with aggregated salary and the 2031 first after the trade happened. It was clear Connaughton might actually be on a mini-Beal level of unmovable deal. This trade on its own is pretty bad, but Middleton was unreliable as far as in game impact and availability. We have to get people who rebound and play defense.
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DanoMac wrote:TroyD92 wrote:Imagine two years ago trading Middleton for Kuz lmao. This franchise is cooked
Two years ago Middleton was an asset
Horst sure knows how to manage assets doesn’t he
VooDoo7 wrote:JEIS wrote:
Kidd would have curb stomped him.
Maybe if his name was Denise instead of Dennis.
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Horst trying to get on Nicos level
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Matches Malone wrote:soxperry wrote:Matches Malone wrote:Giannis just posted and deleted this. What does it mean!
Those could be blazers, bulls or wizards colors, no?
Maybe the Heat for Jimmy? Why would Giannis do this now?! lmao
Wouldn't you do like a fire emoji if it was something related to the Heat though? I really have no idea what a red and white circle could possibly mean. Entirely possible Giannis is just messing with people.
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I am just confused regarding AJ and even picking him in the first place. We left win-low players on the table, drafted him and lied to the fan base by stating that he was a pick for down the road, only to trade him for garbage.
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trwi7 wrote:**** me deep, Giannis. ****. Me. Deep.
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pifhluk23 wrote:Horst trying to get on Nicos level
Ok settle down.
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We get you don't like the trade but Allen was one of my favorite Buck and he was better and still was in his prime than Mids who is at the end of his career.Packbuckman wrote:jakecronus8 wrote:Packbuckman wrote:That’s **** bull and this trade is worse than we traded Ray Allen
Might be good to log off for awhile. What a silly statement
Really Kuzma sucks as a player nobody but us are trading for him and we gave up our 1st rd pick this yr besides Middleton who is a player even after getting both ankles surgery on. Payton at least use to be a great player something Kuzma never will be.
Ride the tank
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Zach Harper trying to talk me off a ledge:
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6115603/2025/02/05/kyle-kuzma-bucks-khris-middleton-wizards-nba-trade-deadline?source=user-shared-article
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6115603/2025/02/05/kyle-kuzma-bucks-khris-middleton-wizards-nba-trade-deadline?source=user-shared-article
Spoiler:
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nagawicka wrote:ReasonablySober wrote:I'm most upset at losing Johnson. I feel sick.
Insanely, nakedly bad move. A crime against the Bucks. The ONE thing that goes really right for the Bucks in tooo long, a draft pick pans out, and Horst just throws it away? For *what* exactly. And HIDES the giveaway of our best asset beneath the why-bother Khris/Kyle shiny sideshow distraction that doesn't address what needs fixing. What is going on. Horst is gonna pay for this for yeeeeeaars.
Huh? How has AJJ panned out so far, and this is coming from someone that thinks he could be special. I think the ‘emergence’ of Ajax, Green and Rollins is the only reason we were willing to send AJJ out. If that is true, I guess we need to give credit to someone for finding those three dudes.
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What do the red and white emojis mean? Most wild interpretation wins
FREE GIANNIS
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TroyD92 wrote:DanoMac wrote:TroyD92 wrote:Imagine two years ago trading Middleton for Kuz lmao. This franchise is cooked
Two years ago Middleton was an asset
Horst sure knows how to manage assets doesn’t he
It’s almost like seeing if we could move Midds for Josh Giddey last June would have been better.
The big piece none of us know is how bad his medicals are. And did he sit out games last season and this season where the medical staff cleared him to play?
The league views him as Brandon Roy in his final year. It is what it is.
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Forgive me here as I follow the NBA a lot less these days.
Part of this trade is apron/salary-based? The Bucks probably would have a harder time reloading one final Giannis core if in whichever higher apron next year?
It seems like the aprons are in theory righteous because most fans claim they don't like tanking and it stops teams from continuing to rise higher and higher in lux tax and just hoard an elite core of 3-4 players, therefore making other teams just punt...however, the downside is it forces teams like the Bucks and Wolves to trade away imperfect players like Middleton or Towns for pennies on the dollar if they want to rebuild around their alpha star. Is this all close to correct?
Part of this trade is apron/salary-based? The Bucks probably would have a harder time reloading one final Giannis core if in whichever higher apron next year?
It seems like the aprons are in theory righteous because most fans claim they don't like tanking and it stops teams from continuing to rise higher and higher in lux tax and just hoard an elite core of 3-4 players, therefore making other teams just punt...however, the downside is it forces teams like the Bucks and Wolves to trade away imperfect players like Middleton or Towns for pennies on the dollar if they want to rebuild around their alpha star. Is this all close to correct?
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Frank Nova wrote:Packbuckman wrote:El Pooch Grande wrote:
If Midds plays 25-28 mins in the playoffs he won't last more than 2 games.
That’s **** bull and this trade is worse than we traded Ray Allen
Lol come on bro. I’m puzzled myself but comparing this to the Ray Allen trade is just your frustrations getting the best of you right now. It’s not even in the same stratosphere as bad as that was.
If there is no other move after this and Giannis leaves because of it then it will be the worst trade ever!
Now I will wait to see what happens next because this can’t be it.
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machu46 wrote:Matches Malone wrote:soxperry wrote:
Those could be blazers, bulls or wizards colors, no?
Maybe the Heat for Jimmy? Why would Giannis do this now?! lmao
Wouldn't you do like a fire emoji if it was something related to the Heat though? I really have no idea what a red and white circle could possibly mean. Entirely possible Giannis is just messing with people.
Either that or it isn't related to basketball and he forgot not to tweet cryptic things at this moment. Giannis isn't going to leak trade rumors
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humanrefutation wrote:Matches Malone wrote:Giannis just posted and deleted this. What does it mean!
Wizards colors, no?
Why leave out blue?
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JayMKE wrote:What do the red and white emojis mean? Most wild interpretation wins
Deal with Portland is the best take I’ve seen so far.
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tedbrogen wrote:LUKE23 wrote:Can someone explain how we are better? Lets say Middleton could only play 25-28 mpg in the playoffs. He's still an efficient scorer, floor spacer, and a very good passer. Are people expecting that Kuzma is all off a sudden going to shoot a career high from 3 here? I just don't get it. Stop looking at PPG.
Bucks staff doesn’t think Midds can even give them 25mpg in the playoffs. And they didn’t want to pay him $34M next season for what he has given them this season.
I don't like Kuzma and I loved Middleton, but...
Kuzma on the court > Middleton in jeans
is pretty easy math but again, that requires facing that reality of the situation and I get that's hard and not fun
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Play style matters.. kuzma is a fast break guy and we'll look instantly younger/faster.
Regarding Johnson.. maybe our coaches haven't seen what they wanted to see
Regarding Johnson.. maybe our coaches haven't seen what they wanted to see
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nagawicka wrote:ReasonablySober wrote:I'm most upset at losing Johnson. I feel sick.
Insanely, nakedly bad move. A crime against the Bucks. The ONE thing that goes really right for the Bucks in tooo long, a draft pick pans out, and Horst just throws it away? For *what* exactly. And HIDES the giveaway of our best asset beneath the why-bother Khris/Kyle shiny sideshow distraction that doesn't address what needs fixing. What is going on. Horst is gonna pay for this for yeeeeeaars.
It's so bad that it's actually revealing as to how much the Wizards had us over a barrel here and how few real options we must have had. That's not necessarily a compelling reason to make a trade, but you know Horst wasn't going out there seeking to trade AJ Johnson in this deal.












