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Re: ATL - Confirmed Achilles for Tatum 

Post#501 » by DingleJerry » Fri May 16, 2025 3:36 pm

German Athens wrote:I really think the West being considered much better than the east is overblown.

The west has a little more depth, but not in a way that I think matters a lot. I think they had 8 good to very good teams this year, and the east had 7.

Of the squads left out from the playoffs, I’d lean west, but I also don’t think sac or dal are good.

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Houston was the 2 seed in the west, and Sacramento was a 2 or 3 a couple seasons ago. I think if Orlando had played Houston in the first round, as the 2-7 matchup, the 7 probably would have won again.

Indy and NY are very much in the Minny tier, who was in the conference finals last year also.

The conferences aren’t dramatically different, or at least weren’t this year, maybe the spurs make a big jump next year, and Phx returns as a competitive team, but who really knows.


The idea is that Boston is taken down a peg or two due to the injury and likely salary clearing. Cle down a notch due to having to clear salary. Thus, no great team that you have no shot against.

Generally speaking I get your point and 'trash' might be too harsh, the parity of the league is a very good thing right now (especially in our situation) so it might not be as drastic as 10ish years ago. But I'd still firmly choose the East over OKC juggernaut, Jokic, Luka/lakers, Clips were great at the end, MN with a 23 year old burgeoning possible superstar, Houston young athletes everywhere, Curry/Butler combo was on fire before injury, wemby/spurs coming

Or look at star players which is often key, after Giannis the next best players are what Hali/Mitchell/Brunson? You could probably argue Giannis is the only top 10 player in the East(for sure only top 5). Not crapping on those 3 guys as they're very good and guys I'd take, but they're likely more in the 11-20 range.
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Re: ATL - Confirmed Achilles for Tatum 

Post#502 » by Ron Swanson » Fri May 16, 2025 3:39 pm

Chet/Jalen absolutely is about as good of a jump-start rebuild foundation you could ask for in a Giannis trade, despite the fact that I have zero faith in Chet's body holding up over the long run. Amen/Sengun? Hell no, you're not going anywhere with those two guys as your best players now or in the near future. Amen has too glaring of shooting/perimeter scoring/ball-handling deficiencies and Sengun doesn't have the talent/pedigree/physical tools to ever be anything more than what he currently is. You're not getting a #1 type guy back in a Giannis trade but the goal is to get at least one blue-chip prospect or pick that at least has that kind of potential.
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Re: ATL - Confirmed Achilles for Tatum 

Post#503 » by Bernman » Fri May 16, 2025 3:56 pm

Not trusting Chet's frail body 1 blown acl in already is reasonable. But I don't get not being impressed by the Chet-Jalen duo.

Chet's getting physically stronger. As is he's no pushover anymore. He's roaming and putting a lid on the rim. He's elite for a big at running the floor. Big lob threat. Is a real shooter. Can attack some mismatches already. Will create more in the future. Is mentally tough.

J-Dub's tough too. He can cook with SGA out. W/ him in produces plenty of timely buckets. Is elite at getting downhill and finishing near the rim. He's got range. Plays on both ends.

It just feels like this may be 1 year early for OKC still. Chet's a 2nd yr guy. J-Dub's in his 3rd year. They were still the youngest team all time w/ the top seed. This doesn't invalidate those individual players or their near future if they don't win. I wouldn't trade those 2 guys for Giannis cuz this is working, even if in a vacuum that's fine value. Feels like this is more of a problem for Houston, or maybe Cleveland, to do a 2 "stars" for 1 MVP.
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Re: ATL - Confirmed Achilles for Tatum 

Post#504 » by rilamann » Sat May 17, 2025 12:08 am

I wonder how hard Karl Anthony Towns is going to choke tonight.
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Re: ATL - Confirmed Achilles for Tatum 

Post#505 » by MickeyDavis » Sat May 17, 2025 12:51 am

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Re: ATL - Confirmed Achilles for Tatum 

Post#506 » by Bucknado » Sat May 17, 2025 1:11 am

When the pants win this do we get a bunch of articles on how the Cs should blow it up and trade their healthy max player for pennys?
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Re: ATL - Confirmed Achilles for Tatum 

Post#507 » by Prez » Sat May 17, 2025 1:13 am

Yeah nobody in the league should bail out Boston with that Jrue contract. Unfortunately some dumb team probably will.
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Post#508 » by PintSizedBox10 » Sat May 17, 2025 1:23 am

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Re: ATL - Confirmed Achilles for Tatum 

Post#509 » by ReasonablySober » Sat May 17, 2025 1:24 am

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Re: ATL - Confirmed Achilles for Tatum 

Post#510 » by Coach Carter » Sat May 17, 2025 1:26 am

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Re: ATL - Confirmed Achilles for Tatum 

Post#511 » by blazza18 » Sat May 17, 2025 1:30 am

Thought there was a slight chance the Knicks wouldn't be able to handle the pressure of closing things out as a favourite but Boston have run out of juice after an emotional game 5 win.
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Re: ATL - Confirmed Achilles for Tatum 

Post#512 » by paulpressey25 » Sat May 17, 2025 1:32 am

blazza18 wrote:Thought there was a slight chance the Knicks wouldn't be able to handle the pressure of closing things out as a favourite but Boston have run out of juice after an emotional game 5 win.


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Re: ATL - Confirmed Achilles for Tatum 

Post#513 » by Plossum » Sat May 17, 2025 1:42 am

Jrue is really at that bench guard stage of his career.
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Re: ATL - Confirmed Achilles for Tatum 

Post#514 » by Matches Malone » Sat May 17, 2025 1:44 am

Goodnight, Boston. Enjoy the second apron.
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Re: ATL - Confirmed Achilles for Tatum 

Post#515 » by MikeIsGood » Sat May 17, 2025 1:48 am

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Re: ATL - Confirmed Achilles for Tatum 

Post#516 » by Profound23 » Sat May 17, 2025 1:49 am

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Profound23 wrote:Yeah I've seen a lot of trade offers of Giannis for Chet/Jalen Williams and I think they are great as 2nd, 3rd options...but making them first/second options consistently would be mediocre at best.


Still think some of the board is in a denial stage on this matter. We aren’t getting back a legit #1 option in a trade for Giannis. There aren’t many of those guys out there, and if a team has one, they aren’t dealing him.

So the question is do you try to get two really good 2/3 guys and hope some picks you get work out. That’s why a Chet/Jalen or Amen/Sengun situation are appealing to me. (assuming Flagg is not dealt)



I think Amen can be a #1. If Giannis forces a trade that's the type of player you look for plus multiple future picks. If it were Amen, Sengun, and picks I'd be fine if Sengun were flipped for more picks (most importantly our own picks back).
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Re: ATL - Confirmed Achilles for Tatum 

Post#517 » by midranger » Sat May 17, 2025 1:50 am

Top 3 option in the playoffs Jrue doesn’t exist anymore
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Re: ATL - Confirmed Achilles for Tatum 

Post#518 » by MickeyDavis » Sat May 17, 2025 1:53 am

I'll enjoy seeing Jrue at the championship reunion event down the road but any/all talk of trading for his $100 million contract must cease.
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Re: ATL - Confirmed Achilles for Tatum 

Post#519 » by jschligs » Sat May 17, 2025 1:57 am

Championship really goes to the healthiest team. Cavs had banged up guys, Bucks lost Dame, Warriors Curry, Denver Gordon. The teams in the CF are all healthy and playing well.
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Re: ATL - Confirmed Achilles for Tatum 

Post#520 » by BigO » Sat May 17, 2025 1:58 am

paulpressey25 wrote:
Profound23 wrote:Yeah I've seen a lot of trade offers of Giannis for Chet/Jalen Williams and I think they are great as 2nd, 3rd options...but making them first/second options consistently would be mediocre at best.


Still think some of the board is in a denial stage on this matter. We aren’t getting back a legit #1 option in a trade for Giannis. There aren’t many of those guys out there, and if a team has one, they aren’t dealing him.

So the question is do you try to get two really good 2/3 guys and hope some picks you get work out. That’s why a Chet/Jalen or Amen/Sengun situation are appealing to me. (assuming Flagg is not dealt)


Not sure of your definition of a number one option. If you mean an top all time player, sure. But virtually every team in the league would trade their best player, plus lots more, for Giannis.

And thinking that Chet and Williams are the best the Bucks can do in a trade for Giannis is just silly.

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