ATL - New Lottery Rules Move to Owner Vote - pg59

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

If Thon is this untouchable asset that shouldn't be traded for an all-star PG, that means the Bucks are already set to win the East for years.

I do not believe this to be the case.

Thank you for being the voice of reason.

Baffles my mind that some consider Thon to be untouchable. The guy has done absolutely nothing to show he's even remotely close to being untouchable.

There's a big ocean between throw in and untouchable. I think we swam that whole ocean today between all these posts.

[SupremeHustle]

This is fun. Not as fun as winning a title would be, but hey, we're Bucks fans.

[Diggr14]

If Thon is this untouchable asset that shouldn't be traded for an all-star PG, that means the Bucks are already set to win the East for years.

I do not believe this to be the case.

Thank you for being the voice of reason.

Baffles my mind that some consider Thon to be untouchable. The guy has done absolutely nothing to show he's even remotely close to being untouchable.

There's a big ocean between throw in and untouchable. I think we swam that whole ocean today between all these posts.

That same Herb Kohlian logic could have led us to trading Giannis after his first season. It’s not about what he’s done, it’s about reasonable projection and the future quality of the player. Thon is very projectable for years to come. It’s not unearned either, he’s fluid, 7’2, and can hit the 3. Not to mention he’s a good person and has qualities that you want around your team for years to come - that’s a huge factor too, especially in a guy that projects to be a future all-star potentially.

[Licensed to Il]

I (thought I) like Thon more than most. But I would by no means consider him more than a promising (probably) overaged rookie at this point. Great fit on a roster with Giannis, but not a guy that would hold up a deal for a real upgrade.

Look guys, I don't know if a Kyrie trade is going to happen, it seems like it is theoretically still a possibility. But I think one thing that we should all realize by now is that the national guys are always going to over value the stars from bigger markets, and undervalue players from places like Milwaukee. Its not because they are big city elitists, but just that they tend to watch and write about the playoff teams and true contenders, of which we have not been. If Brogdon was a rookie for the Cavs, you bet the bloggers and Windhorsts of the world would be raving about his value and talent.

For what it is worth, Lowe is the one guy who actually watches all the games and has a good grasp on value and talent. And he seems to think Mids, Brogdon, and a smaller asset gets it done if the Celtics trade falls through.

[SirChurros]

Thank you for being the voice of reason.

Baffles my mind that some consider Thon to be untouchable. The guy has done absolutely nothing to show he's even remotely close to being untouchable.

There's a big ocean between throw in and untouchable. I think we swam that whole ocean today between all these posts.

That same Herb Kohlian logic could have led us to trading Giannis after his first season. It’s not about what he’s done, it’s about reasonable projection and the future quality of the player. Thon is very projectable for years to come. It’s not unearned either, he’s fluid, 7’2, and can hit the 3. Not to mention he’s a good person and has qualities that you want around your team for years to come - that’s a huge factor too, especially in a guy that projects to be a future all-star potentially.

Giannis is a generational talent that we hit on. For every Giannis, there is at least a few dozen guys with qualities and traits that look good, but end up being Hasheem Thabeet.

How can you even begin to say Thon projects to be a future All-Star? He's a long, high energy guy that can hit an occasional three and block a shot once in awhile. Outside of that, when you look at him on the court he looks terrible.

If he's the deal breaker in a move that could net you one of the league's best offensive point guards, who himself is just 25, you're crazy.

[Ron Swanson]

"He hasn't proven anything yet". What a shocking statement about a guy who was a rookie straight out of high school last year. Sixers should trade Ben Simmons IMO. He hasn't proven anything yet.

[ReasonablySober]

The only pieces I'd be open to moving for Kyrie are Parker, Monroe and picks. If they won't take that they can piss off.

[ReasonablySober]

There's a big ocean between throw in and untouchable. I think we swam that whole ocean today between all these posts.

That same Herb Kohlian logic could have led us to trading Giannis after his first season. It’s not about what he’s done, it’s about reasonable projection and the future quality of the player. Thon is very projectable for years to come. It’s not unearned either, he’s fluid, 7’2, and can hit the 3. Not to mention he’s a good person and has qualities that you want around your team for years to come - that’s a huge factor too, especially in a guy that projects to be a future all-star potentially.

Giannis is a generational talent that we hit on. For every Giannis, there is at least a few dozen guys with qualities and traits that look good, but end up being Hasheem Thabeet.

How can you even begin to say Thon projects to be a future All-Star? He's a long, high energy guy that can hit an occasional three and block a shot once in awhile. Outside of that, when you look at him on the court he looks terrible.

If he's the deal breaker in a move that could net you one of the league's best offensive point guards, who himself is just 25, you're crazy.

He isn't one of the league's best offensive point guards. He's one of the league's best scorers. Dude does not make anyone around him remotely better.

[raferfenix]

Who do we prefer to keep in an Irving deal: Brogdon or Thon?

If it's Brogdon then I could see the Cavs valuing Delly considering his familiarity with their system.

I think the Bucks would need to keep one of Delly or Brogdon though to stave off Irving's poor defense and chucking tendencies.

[SirChurros]

That same Herb Kohlian logic could have led us to trading Giannis after his first season. It’s not about what he’s done, it’s about reasonable projection and the future quality of the player. Thon is very projectable for years to come. It’s not unearned either, he’s fluid, 7’2, and can hit the 3. Not to mention he’s a good person and has qualities that you want around your team for years to come - that’s a huge factor too, especially in a guy that projects to be a future all-star potentially.

Giannis is a generational talent that we hit on. For every Giannis, there is at least a few dozen guys with qualities and traits that look good, but end up being Hasheem Thabeet.

How can you even begin to say Thon projects to be a future All-Star? He's a long, high energy guy that can hit an occasional three and block a shot once in awhile. Outside of that, when you look at him on the court he looks terrible.

If he's the deal breaker in a move that could net you one of the league's best offensive point guards, who himself is just 25, you're crazy.

He isn't one of the league's best offensive point guards. He's one of the league's best scorers. Dude does not make anyone around him remotely better.

Thanks for the laugh.

[ReasonablySober]

Giannis is a generational talent that we hit on. For every Giannis, there is at least a few dozen guys with qualities and traits that look good, but end up being Hasheem Thabeet.

How can you even begin to say Thon projects to be a future All-Star? He's a long, high energy guy that can hit an occasional three and block a shot once in awhile. Outside of that, when you look at him on the court he looks terrible.

If he's the deal breaker in a move that could net you one of the league's best offensive point guards, who himself is just 25, you're crazy.

He isn't one of the league's best offensive point guards. He's one of the league's best scorers. Dude does not make anyone around him remotely better.

Thanks for the laugh.

Okay, I have his entire career on my side. What are you bringing to the argument?

[Diggr14]

There's a big ocean between throw in and untouchable. I think we swam that whole ocean today between all these posts.

That same Herb Kohlian logic could have led us to trading Giannis after his first season. It’s not about what he’s done, it’s about reasonable projection and the future quality of the player. Thon is very projectable for years to come. It’s not unearned either, he’s fluid, 7’2, and can hit the 3. Not to mention he’s a good person and has qualities that you want around your team for years to come - that’s a huge factor too, especially in a guy that projects to be a future all-star potentially.

Giannis is a generational talent that we hit on. For every Giannis, there is at least a few dozen guys with qualities and traits that look good, but end up being Hasheem Thabeet.

How can you even begin to say Thon projects to be a future All-Star? He's a long, high energy guy that can hit an occasional three and block a shot once in awhile. Outside of that, when you look at him on the court he looks terrible.

If he's the deal breaker in a move that could net you one of the league's best offensive point guards, who himself is just 25, you're crazy.

Wait you knew Giannis was a generational talent after year 1?

Ok..

Point is, Thon is a freak like Giannis, will he be as good.. no. Will he be a very good player for us for 7+ years, yes.

Do you really want to trade him + 2 other very good assets for 2 years of Kyrie Irving? You’re nuts if you want to do something like that unless you can lock up Kyrie for another 5 for certain (which wouldn’t happen). Thank god we didnt make that trade for him.

[SupremeHustle]

Who do we prefer to keep in an Irving deal: Brogdon or Thon?

If it's Brogdon then I could see the Cavs valuing Delly considering his familiarity with their system.

I think the Bucks would need to keep one of Delly or Brogdon though to stave off Irving's poor defense and chucking tendencies.

If I had to put my house on who will have a better career between Thon and Brogdon, I'm taking Brogdon with no hesitation.

[SirChurros]

He isn't one of the league's best offensive point guards. He's one of the league's best scorers. Dude does not make anyone around him remotely better.

Thanks for the laugh.

Okay, I have his entire career on my side. What are you bringing to the argument?

I mean, you don't have his entire career on your side, but ok.

The notion that Kyrie is not a good distributor or can't make others around him better is humorous.

[raferfenix]

For what it is worth, Lowe is the one guy who actually watches all the games and has a good grasp on value and talent. And he seems to think Mids, Brogdon, and a smaller asset gets it done if the Celtics trade falls through.

If the Cavs want to have a chance of keeping Lebron this would help them a whole lot.

Even if the worst doesn't happen with Isaiah this season, who wants to hitch their wagon to a 5'9 guy who might need hip surgery moving forward?

IT's price tag probably goes down from $30 million due to this scare but still.

[FrieAaron]

Who do we prefer to keep in an Irving deal: Brogdon or Thon?

If it's Brogdon then I could see the Cavs valuing Delly considering his familiarity with their system.

I think the Bucks would need to keep one of Delly or Brogdon though to stave off Irving's poor defense and chucking tendencies.

If I had to put my house on who will have a better career between Thon and Brogdon, I'm taking Brogdon with no hesitation.

Tough call though because Thon does have more upside. That's a term I generally hate but I think it applies here. With Irving, Brogdon would become significantly less important a piece. He's better than Delly but I think at that point it becomes an acceptable risk/reward to roll the dice on Thon.

[raferfenix]

Who do we prefer to keep in an Irving deal: Brogdon or Thon?

If it's Brogdon then I could see the Cavs valuing Delly considering his familiarity with their system.

I think the Bucks would need to keep one of Delly or Brogdon though to stave off Irving's poor defense and chucking tendencies.

If I had to put my house on who will have a better career between Thon and Brogdon, I'm taking Brogdon with no hesitation.

In this case perhaps we'd be looking at a package like Thon + Middleton + Delly for Kyrie + Shumpert.

If the Cavs made a deal about Zizic being included they might be looking for a young big man.

Conversely if Brogdon were to make his way into the deal I'd hope we could pawn off Henson on then.

[trwi7]

Who do we prefer to keep in an Irving deal: Brogdon or Thon?

If it's Brogdon then I could see the Cavs valuing Delly considering his familiarity with their system.

I think the Bucks would need to keep one of Delly or Brogdon though to stave off Irving's poor defense and chucking tendencies.

If I had to put my house on who will have a better career between Thon and Brogdon, I'm taking Brogdon with no hesitation.

That's really only because Thon is going to retire in like two years.

[trwi7]

I also don't get why everyone is so willing to throw Middleton in there. The whole point of Kyrie is to create a big 3, not trade one of them for the other guy while adding value on top of that and taking a crap contract back. And I fully understand that Cleveland doesn't consider a deal with us without Middleton but I'm just not giving up Middleton plus assets and taking back crap contracts.

[FlagsFlyForever]

Who do we prefer to keep in an Irving deal: Brogdon or Thon?

If it's Brogdon then I could see the Cavs valuing Delly considering his familiarity with their system.

I think the Bucks would need to keep one of Delly or Brogdon though to stave off Irving's poor defense and chucking tendencies.

If I had to put my house on who will have a better career between Thon and Brogdon, I'm taking Brogdon with no hesitation.

If I told you one of these players becomes an MVP candidate and end up in the Hall of Fame, who would you take?