2018 NBA Draft Thread

Badgerlander · Post #521 » by **Badgerlander** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:38 pm

Smith will be top 10 after the combine. Chriss was drafted 8th with less tools

emunney · Post #522 » by **emunney** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:53 pm

Badgerlander wrote:Smith will be top 10 after the combine. Chriss was drafted 8th with less tools

People thought Chriss was going to be a rim protector who could roll or pop, though. Smith is an unconventional guard. Works so hard off the ball, but didn't make much happen on it. Doesn't have a 'basketball build' and the ball slows him down a lot. Fascinated to see what happens with him and how he develops -- he's kind of a blank slate. Tools, effort, IQ, very basic but solid skillset. Where he goes is going to have a huge impact on how he turns out. Philly would be a really interesting landing spot for him.

LuessiT · Post #523 » by **LuessiT** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:53 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:You can't sign and trade jabari for a pick since free agency is after the draft.

Thanks Magic. You can trade the prospect drafted with the pick.

Plus no one is giving up a top 10 pick for the right to give him a very risky contract

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The value mostly comes from taking on Parsons horrendous contract.

Overall the top 9 is really strong this year, I can't see any team wanting to drop back.

I mean that is debatable but I disagree. Every year the draft is supposed to be strong leading up to the draft. This draft class isn't particularly strong right after the top 2/3. I guess Ayton and Doncic have a legitimate chance to go #1 in most drafts and Jackson is a very nice player (who I have above Ayton), but from 4 onwards it's average imo.

If the bucks keep the pick zaire smith would be a super fun pick, dude has star potential. Kind of doubt he drops that far.

Jontay porter would be a solid get at 16.

Kinda doubt Smith drops out of the lottery. Very young, elite athlete, good size, plus wingspan, defensively sound with a shooting stroke?

And Jontay is a fun prospect, but he's going to bust more likely than not. I mean with his playmaking ability and shooting stroke, everyone is envisioning another Jokic but if he doesn't transform his body athletically and he doesn't reach his 90th percentile outcome, he's going to be a bad pick.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #524 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 5:26 pm

LuessiT wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:You can't sign and trade jabari for a pick since free agency is after the draft.

Thanks Magic. You can trade the prospect drafted with the pick.

Plus no one is giving up a top 10 pick for the right to give him a very risky contract
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The value mostly comes from taking on Parsons horrendous contract.

Yes; it's possible to trade a prospect in July but it's highly improbable. The only time I can remember this happening with a top 10 pick was the Wiggins for Love deal and that was obviously a pretty unique circumstance. There are multiple reasons this is improbable. 1st being that it's not like the Griz and Bucks could have this worked out on draft night where the Griz pick the guy the Bucks want because the Griz can't talk to Jabari until July 1. So they need to draft a player they want with their pick because for all they know Jabari can go sign with another team. Jabari is an RFA so other than matching the Bucks don't have any power in who he chooses to sign with. The other aspect that comes into play is the PR issue; when teams pick a guy top 10 they do a whole media push with that prospect making it a little harder for them to stomach dealing the dude.

As far as the Parson angle that complicates it too since when doing an RFA sign and trade the Bucks can't send out any additional salary attached to Parker so it would need to be a contract close to the $23M per year they owe Parsons. That seems like an overpay for Jarbari. Plus I'm not sure the Griz would be willing to give up the highest pick they have had in a decade just for the right to give out a contract to a guy with two ACL injuries and replacing the other crazy contact they gave out to a guy with bad knees. I think the whole Parson's fiasco probably has them a bit gunshy of bad knees.

emunney · Post #525 » by **emunney** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:53 pm

Can't say Jokic ever occurred to me with Porter. He's a big coordinated dude with great range who looks like he has the skillset to take advantage of a lot of different situations.

I like bigs who can rip apart zones from the key. Not that it's an opportunity that comes up a lot in the pros, but I think the players who can do that tend to translate. You can always get to that spot, especially as a big off the ball. And you've got to have a sense of where the ball needs to go, and the skill to get it there quickly.

LuessiT · Post #526 » by **LuessiT** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:20 pm

emunney wrote:Can't say Jokic ever occurred to me with Porter. He's a big coordinated dude with great range who looks like he has the skillset to take advantage of a lot of different situations.

I like bigs who can rip apart zones from the key. Not that it's an opportunity that comes up a lot in the pros, but I think the players who can do that tend to translate. You can always get to that spot, especially as a big off the ball. And you've got to have a sense of where the ball needs to go, and the skill to get it there quickly.

Well thats the most comps I see him getting. Mostly due to him being able to make plays, being able to stretch the floor and having similar bodies (though I think that comparision is a bit lazy since Jontay is still growing into his body and for all we know could lose his 'baby fat' within a year).

Jontay isn't exactly a rim protector. He also doesn't have the greatest footwork on the defensive end. If you don't have those two qualities, you better be a damn good rebounder and/or offensive player to be a starter at the 5 right now. And bench/matchup bigs are the least valueable position right now.
I have no doubts Porter is going to make it in the league, but unless he transforms his body or grows a bit more, I don't see him as a full time starter.

emunney · Post #527 » by **emunney** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:31 pm

He's not a rim protector but he's got good timing and he gets his hand on the ball a lot. Agree about his defensive fundamentals, lots to work on there.

I feel like you do have *some* doubts he'll make it in the league since you earlier said he's more likely than not going to bust.

Post #528 » by **Ruzious** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:31 pm

LuessiT wrote:
M-C-G wrote:
LuessiT wrote:
That was during the season. He's probably improved his explosiveness and has two more month just preparing for the combine. I fully expect him to get close or break 45".

The amount of effort to get your vert from 27 to 30 is probably about 10000 times easier than getting your vert from 42 to 45.

Sure, but by combine time that measurement was a year ago. Smith isn't even 19, his body was (and probably still is) growing on him. He did that in the tournament:

Watch on YouTube

He's definately up there with the best athletes of previous classes.

Was I seeing things, or did he decide to turn his body after he had already jumped. Hopefully he got permission from the guy in charge of physics.

LuessiT · Post #529 » by **LuessiT** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:08 pm

emunney wrote:He's not a rim protector but he's got good timing and he gets his hand on the ball a lot. Agree about his defensive fundamentals, lots to work on there.

I feel like you do have *some* doubts he'll make it in the league since you earlier said he's more likely than not going to bust.

Yeah bust was too strong of a word. I just don't see much value in having him on a rookie contract compared to other options at the draft range.

bizarro · Post #530 » by **bizarro** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:21 pm

So, a shot at developing the intriguing Michael Carter Williams and his awesome PG size (!!) or a chance to draft Mikal Bridges, Wendell Carter, Robert Williams, Zhaire Smith, Miles Bridges, Trae Young, or Colin Sexton. It's a tough one. Take your time.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #531 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:49 pm

bizarro wrote:So, a shot at developing the intriguing Michael Carter Williams and his awesome PG size (!!) or a chance to draft Mikal Bridges, Wendell Carter, Robert Williams, Zhaire Smith, Miles Bridges, Trae Young, or Colin Sexton. It's a tough one. Take your time.

There's still a 4% chance that pick jumps to top 3. That deal makes me sad every time it's brought up. I'm a fan of both the suns and bucks so it's just a rough subject.

That's also why I want the Bucks pick to just convey this year. Because if it doesn't inevitably the Suns GM will trade it for some magic beans this offseason then sometime over the next few years the Bucks will Buck it up and have a rough year and that pick will end up being a super nice asset for whatever team bamboozles Ryan McDonough.

mke_design · Post #532 » by **mke_design** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:09 pm

Who you guys got?!

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emunney · Post #533 » by **emunney** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:12 pm

mke_design wrote:Who you guys got?!

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Melton is a pure player and I believe in his shooting long term.

jakecronus8 · Post #534 » by **jakecronus8** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:16 pm

Hope Bob Williams falls to us.

LuessiT · Post #535 » by **LuessiT** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:20 pm

Obviously anyone who drops is interesting. If we somehow get one of Ayton/Doncic/JJJ/Bagley/Young/Bamba/Carter/Mikal Bridges/Michael Porter we shouldn't look back.

At our draft range, I like Smith, Knox and Musa. You'd have to give Miles Bridges and Sexton serious looks as they'd probably be BPA's and I'd like to see Robinson/Simmons/Melton in workouts. I think Okogo is very promising too, but would probably be a reach at that range.

I have mixed feelings on SGA, Williams and Jontay Porter.

mke_design · Post #536 » by **mke_design** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:20 pm

emunney wrote:
mke_design wrote:Who you guys got?!

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Melton is a pure player and I believe in his shooting long term.

Melton seems like a reach.

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mke_design · Post #537 » by **mke_design** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:21 pm

What are the thoughts on Mitchell Robinson?

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LuessiT · Post #538 » by **LuessiT** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:21 pm

mke_design wrote:
emunney wrote:
mke_design wrote:Who you guys got?!

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Melton is a pure player and I believe in his shooting long term.

Melton seems like a reach.

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Even if he's considered a reach, if you think he's the best player available you take him. It all depends on his workouts with him sitting out the year.

LuessiT · Post #539 » by **LuessiT** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:23 pm

mke_design wrote:What are the thoughts on Mitchell Robinson?

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Super hard to gauge. Would like to see workouts. There is a good piece on him here:

https://www.thestepien.com/2018/01/26/mitchell-robinson-nba-youngboy/

SirChurros · Post #540 » by **SirChurros** » Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:48 pm

I wouldn't mind Lonnie Walker or Gary Trent.

Who do you think will be the #1 overall pick?