Delly, Henson, 1st/2nd and Rodzilla for Hill/Dekker - Dekker to Wiz For Smith/Second POLL ADDED

Ron Swanson · Post #521 » by **Ron Swanson** » Sat Dec 8, 2018 8:55 pm

With the protections on the pick, I love the trade. George Hill is still a really damn good player. 1-10 this team is as deep as any in the league. Still need a back-up C cuz Jason Smith ain't the answer, but whatevs. Bud will make it work.

Chuck Diesel · Post #522 » by **Chuck Diesel** » Sat Dec 8, 2018 9:05 pm

I feel like Milwaukee fans are going to love Jason Smith...

MissKhriddleton · Post #523 » by **MissKhriddleton** » Sat Dec 8, 2018 9:12 pm

Can Jason Smith have a Tyler Zeller like impact for this talented Bucks team? :reporter:

Post #524 » by **Prez** » Sat Dec 8, 2018 9:24 pm

MissKhriddleton wrote:Can Jason Smith have a Tyler Zeller like impact for this talented Bucks team?

They do share that "not Thon" quality that the Bucks have really been missing.

SirChurros · Post #525 » by **SirChurros** » Sat Dec 8, 2018 10:37 pm

Hill is only 32. I'm confident that, if healthy and motivated, he can still be very useful off the bench. Same for Smith, but to a lesser extent of useful.

We literally traded a cheerleader and a guy who probably wasn't going to play again this season for two guys who can at least contribute something.

blazza18 · Post #526 » by **blazza18** » Sat Dec 8, 2018 10:46 pm

Hill could be a solid contributor but I think people have got too high a hope for him tbh. He's old and broken.

24 hours on I still think we need another star for this trade to be a huge ++ win. Can't just dump money and assets to stick with what we got.

tedbrogen · Post #527 » by **tedbrogen** » Sat Dec 8, 2018 11:26 pm

Love the flexibility this deal gives them. Now they can trade Brogdon in a deal with Middleton if it brings back a star and not worry that they would be one Bledsoe injury away from 30+ minutes of Delly backing the ball down the court. They also turned two awful contracts into two expiring contracts which allows them to make another deal this season or allows them to sign someone else this offseason and then retain everyone else.

And all it cost was what will likely be a pick in the high 20s three years from now.

I see why people want to wait and see what they do with the flexibility, but no matter what they do in the future, this trade is currently a huge win.

JayMKE · Post #528 » by **JayMKE** » Sat Dec 8, 2018 11:27 pm

MissKhriddleton wrote:Can Jason Smith have a Tyler Zeller like impact for this talented Bucks team?

Tyler Zeller best case Miles Plumlee worst case

8-)

thomchatt3rton · Post #529 » by **thomchatt3rton** » Sat Dec 8, 2018 11:29 pm

I think all we need from Hill is to be a "solid contributor". He'll have a pretty limited role as a guy who can hit a couple 3s (hopefully) and give us a secondary ball-handler who can somewhat make plays, spell Bledsoe, and give us some positional versatility in the backcourt.

Best-case, he's Brogdon-level in terms of role/usage. But I suspect he's mainly here to take DDV/Connaughton's minutes.

Post #530 » by **Prez** » Sat Dec 8, 2018 11:56 pm

blazza18 wrote:Hill could be a solid contributor but I think people have got too high a hope for him tbh. He's old and broken.

24 hours on I still think we need another star for this trade to be a huge ++ win. Can't just dump money and assets to stick with what we got.

How is expecting him to be a useful bench player having too high a hope for him? No one is expecting Pacers stud George Hill.

TroyD92 · Post #531 » by **TroyD92** » Sun Dec 9, 2018 12:07 am

Honestly replacing Conny's minutes is going to be a big help to this team. He's been ice cold for a long time.

MissKhriddleton · Post #532 » by **MissKhriddleton** » Sun Dec 9, 2018 12:07 am

blazza18 wrote:24 hours on I still think we need another star for this trade to be a huge ++ win. Can't just dump money and assets to stick with what we got.

Obviously we need another star eventually or every single move we've made doesn't mean anything. But this trade makes it easier for us to make another trade this year, sign someone in the offseason, or make a trade next year. It's not going to happen instantly.

Buck Dweller · Post #533 » by **Buck Dweller** » Sun Dec 9, 2018 12:09 am

Really excited about Hill; I’ve wanted him on the Bucks for years now. Just two years ago in Utah he was a top 10-15 PG. I’m not sure if he’s done yet, could chalk some of the recent regression he’s had up to bad systems in CLE and SAC. If he can stay healthy, the baseline with him is our best shooter. That’s big.

blazza18 · Post #534 » by **blazza18** » Sun Dec 9, 2018 12:15 am

Prez wrote:How is expecting him to be a useful bench player having too high a hope for him? No one is expecting Pacers stud George Hill.

Never said they were? It's a way and see approach really. We aren't even sure if he can be last years Cavs George Hill useful.

MissKhriddleton wrote:Obviously we need another star eventually or every single move we've made doesn't mean anything. But this trade makes it easier for us to make another trade this year, sign someone in the offseason, or make a trade next year. It's not going to happen instantly.

Right. It also makes it easier for us to stay under the luxury tax when we bring the band back together. That scenario feels much more likely than creating flexibility to add another star.

Post #535 » by **Prez** » Sun Dec 9, 2018 12:18 am

blazza18 wrote:
Prez wrote:How is expecting him to be a useful bench player having too high a hope for him? No one is expecting Pacers stud George Hill.

Never said they were? It's a way and see approach really. We aren't even sure if he can be last years Cavs George Hill useful.

Even if he's this year's Cavs George Hill he'd fill a needed role. I guess it comes down to health but we could say that about almost anyone we sign or trade for.

stellation · Post #536 » by **stellation** » Sun Dec 9, 2018 12:32 am

kid idioteque wrote:FWIW, Hill was terrible against the Warriors on Wednesday night. 0 points and 3 assists in 25 minutes.

So, worst case, he should be able to cover Delly's contributions.

Pachinko_ · Post #537 » by **Pachinko_** » Sun Dec 9, 2018 12:52 am

If I was a Cavs fan I'd pretty much hibernate for 3-4 years now.

Chuck Diesel · Post #538 » by **Chuck Diesel** » Sun Dec 9, 2018 1:22 am

MickeyDavis wrote:Don't sleep on Dekker. He'll be a rotation guy by the end of the season.

Which league? :wink:

Post #539 » by **paulpressey25** » Sun Dec 9, 2018 3:54 am

So LED have utilized the following #1 picks since buying the team:

2014 #2 overall
2015 #17
2016 #10
2017 #17
2018 #17
Bucks 2020 pick (likely - Suns)
Bucks 2022 pick (likely - Cavs)
LAC 2017 #1 - 22nd overall

That's eight number ones boys. And we have to show for it:
Eric Bledsoe
Thon
DJ Wilson
Donte
George Hill
Jason Smith

kid idioteque · Post #540 » by **kid idioteque** » Sun Dec 9, 2018 4:00 am

blazza18 wrote:Hill could be a solid contributor but I think people have got too high a hope for him tbh. He's old and broken.

24 hours on I still think we need another star for this trade to be a huge ++ win. Can't just dump money and assets to stick with what we got.

Yup. Exactly.

(This is not the George Hill of five years ago.)

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