Khris Middleton Thread

DavidDunn21 · Post #521 » by **DavidDunn21** » Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:42 pm

He was hot in the wins in that Celtics series. He also got hot in garbage time on some of the losses which skewed things slightly. He didn't affect the outcome enough to help us win any game in Boston.

This was also the series where Jabari was swinging whole quarters and Thon was unconscious. It was a crazy series.

But duh, Giannis was the best player

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truly · Post #522 » by **truly** » Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:01 pm

Middleton was a flamethrower that series and if anything we should have given him the ball more.

blazza18 · Post #523 » by **blazza18** » Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:14 pm

Jez2983 wrote:
blazza18 wrote:
Jez2983 wrote:
The second part of that sentence applies to our whole team to be fair.

And to be fair if Middleton is viewed as an all star and a good enough second option he shouldn't be lumped in with everyone else. He got away with the last season.

My point is that Giannis, Bledsoe and Brook all disappeared in the biggest moment of last season. Probably Brogdon too. So Matthews, Hill and Ersan get a pass I guess. But with this I refuse to judge a players entire body of work on moments. Imagine if that Kawhi shot against the Sixers didn't drop...

I know what your point is and I'm saying it's ridiculous to lump Middleton in with those guys considering how the franchise views him compared to every other non Giannis player. If you can't judge a player when he completely disappears from a tough situation when can you?

blazza18 · Post #524 » by **blazza18** » Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:20 pm

truly wrote:Middleton was a flamethrower that series and if anything we should have given him the ball more.

I was looking over the box scores of the series last night and it's absolutely crazy how few shots he took at times.

tedbrogen · Post #525 » by **tedbrogen** » Sun Jan 12, 2020 9:20 pm

blazza18 wrote:
truly wrote:Middleton was a flamethrower that series and if anything we should have given him the ball more.

I was looking over the box scores of the series last night and it's absolutely crazy how few shots he took at times.

Joe Prunty. In the long run, it was better to lose that series. If they upset the Celtics and break the playoff draught, maybe they talk themselves into keeping Prunty (and most of Kidd's outdated concepts) around.

FlagsFlyForever · Post #526 » by **FlagsFlyForever** » Sun Jan 12, 2020 10:05 pm

People are too quick to judge a player on a tiny sample size in a completely unique environment (which is what the playoffs are). Before Playoff LeBron was a thing, LeBron was a choke artist in the playoffs who couldn't win the big one. Kyle Lowry disappeared every postseason ... until he wasn't. Once these great players get a bit more playoff experience, they usually are able to overcome the postseason struggles they have. The Bucks players who struggled in the playoffs (including Giannis against Toronto) will grow into reliable postseason players going forward.

blazza18 · Post #527 » by **blazza18** » Sun Jan 12, 2020 10:21 pm

I think it's fair to say the moment got to him (and basically the entire team + coaching staff). But considering he's lived off a 7 game sample size I think it's funny that we can't judge him off another one.

FlagsFlyForever · Post #528 » by **FlagsFlyForever** » Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:08 am

blazza18 wrote:I think it's fair to say the moment got to him (and basically the entire team + coaching staff). But considering he's lived off a 7 game sample size I think it's funny that we can't judge him off another one.

He's lived off being a damn good player since he got here in 2013. As big of a Middleton fan as I have been, I have never once tried to make anything out of his dominant performance in the 2018 playoffs.

buckbeer · Post #529 » by **buckbeer** » Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:31 am

The Bucks will have at least 2 players in the ASG so Middleton is definitely going to be an all-star again this year.

Ayt · Post #530 » by **Ayt** » Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:35 am

Midds signed a big contract and is having a career year. Now we just need him to be Kevin Durant Jr. in the playoffs, which he is capable of being with his jump shot.

blazza18 · Post #531 » by **blazza18** » Mon Jan 13, 2020 5:48 am

ElPeregrino wrote:
blazza18 wrote:I think it's fair to say the moment got to him (and basically the entire team + coaching staff). But considering he's lived off a 7 game sample size I think it's funny that we can't judge him off another one.

He's lived off being a damn good player since he got here in 2013. As big of a Middleton fan as I have been, I have never once tried to make anything out of his dominant performance in the 2018 playoffs.

Of course he's a good player but that series definitely pumped him up a bit when it comes to how the local media and some in the fan base treat him. Not everyone is like yourself.

JEIS · Post #532 » by **JEIS** » Tue Jan 14, 2020 1:37 am

Midds had a heck of a game against the Blazers. More of that.

Post #533 » by **humanrefutation** » Wed Jan 15, 2020 1:46 am

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Perishable517 · Post #534 » by **Perishable517** » Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:50 am

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Bucksfan28 · Post #535 » by **Bucksfan28** » Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:33 am

Need to hear PPs take on Mids vs JJ. Also those are two good nicknames.

emunney · Post #536 » by **emunney** » Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:50 am

I think you'd ideally have at least one all star for each of the top 6 teams in the East and a 2nd all-star for Milwaukee, Boston, Miami, and Toronto. So let's say that means:

Milwaukee - Giannis, Middleton
Miami - Butler, Bam
Boston - Kemba, Tatum
Toronto - Lowry, Siakam
Indiana - Sabonis
Philly - Embiid

That's already 10 guys with two spots to go, and you haven't gotten Beal, Simmons, Brown, Young, Brogdon, Dinwiddie, LaVine, etc. Young and Beal are 4th and 5th in the league in scoring. Something's got to give.

I do think Middleton makes a 2nd ASG at some point and superficially it seems like this should be the year between his rate stats and how good the Bucks are, but I do think there's a chance we get a raft of Why Middleton Should Have Been an All-Star content the week after the selections come out. Feels like the most likely scenarios in no particular order are:

1) Simmons doesn't make it
2) Middleton doesn't make it
3) Indiana gets shut out

I don't see a scenario where Miami, Boston, and Toronto don't each get the two guys above.

TroyD92 · Post #537 » by **TroyD92** » Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:52 am

I think Indiana gets shut out. Don’t think casual fans have any clue who Malcolm Brogdon is

Post #538 » by **paulpressey25** » Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:38 am

Bucksfan28 wrote:Need to hear PPs take on Mids vs JJ. Also those are two good nicknames.

Middleton is a really good player. And multi-faceted. But he's a tier below JJ.

Johnson just was able to do a lot more on the offensive end. Middleton just doesn't have the handle or shake/bake JJ had. JJ made 7 all-star teams, which despite the honor being somewhat political, is still an amazing accomplishment.

hege53190 · Post #539 » by **hege53190** » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:01 am

paulpressey25 wrote:
Bucksfan28 wrote:Need to hear PPs take on Mids vs JJ. Also those are two good nicknames.

Middleton is a really good player. And multi-faceted. But he's a tier below JJ.

Johnson just was able to do a lot more on the offensive end. Middleton just doesn't have the handle or shake/bake JJ had. JJ made 7 all-star teams, which despite the honor being somewhat political, is still an amazing accomplishment.

Through age 28 season
JJ- 17.6p/4.2r/4.5a/1s on 44/37/79 shooting in 36.9mpg
KM-15.9p/4.5r/3.3a/1.3s on 45/39/87 shooting in 31.5 mpg

Per 36
JJ-17.2p/4.1r/4.4a/1s
KM-18.2p/5.2r/3.7a/1.5s

You can say JJ could do a lot more but he also ran more minutes and was given more responsibility and still the numbers are virtually identical.

hege53190 · Post #540 » by **hege53190** » Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:42 am

emunney wrote:I think you'd ideally have at least one all star for each of the top 6 teams in the East and a 2nd all-star for Milwaukee, Boston, Miami, and Toronto. So let's say that means:

Milwaukee - Giannis, Middleton
Miami - Butler, Bam
Boston - Kemba, Tatum
Toronto - Lowry, Siakam
Indiana - Sabonis
Philly - Embiid

That's already 10 guys with two spots to go, and you haven't gotten Beal, Simmons, Brown, Young, Brogdon, Dinwiddie, LaVine, etc. Young and Beal are 4th and 5th in the league in scoring. Something's got to give.

I do think Middleton makes a 2nd ASG at some point and superficially it seems like this should be the year between his rate stats and how good the Bucks are, but I do think there's a chance we get a raft of Why Middleton Should Have Been an All-Star content the week after the selections come out. Feels like the most likely scenarios in no particular order are:

1) Simmons doesn't make it
2) Middleton doesn't make it
3) Indiana gets shut out

I don't see a scenario where Miami, Boston, and Toronto don't each get the two guys above.

Tatum is averaging 21.3p/6.9r/2.3a/1.4s on 43/36/86 shooting in 34 minutes a game
Middleton is averaging 19.3p/5.8r/3.8a/.9 s on 49/40/89 shooting in 29 minutes a game

Per 36
Tatum 22.6p/7.3r/2.6a/1.5s on 43/36/86
Middleton 24.4p/7.3r/4.8a/1.2s on 49/40/89

If Tatum is a lock I don't know how Middleton is not one.