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Head Coaching Candidates - Finalists Nurse/Atkinson/Griffin - Another New Poll Added

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Re: Head Coaching Candidates - Horst Interview Page 13 

Post#521 » by Badgerlander » Thu May 11, 2023 10:01 am

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During his first three seasons, Atkinson built a more regimented culture with the goal of making the whole greater than the sum of its parts. In an interview with ESPN's Jackie MacMullan, he laid out the inevitable difficulties that would come with bringing two marquee free agents into the fold:

"Our whole setup can be a bit rigid. We're like a college program, in some ways. We have this car wash of very specific things with very specific people.

"But I can already see it morphing into something it was not before. When Joe Harris was trying to make it in the league, he was saying, 'I'll do whatever you want.' Now we're dealing with veterans who are saying, 'OK, this is how you do it. But this is how I've always done it, and this has worked for me.'"


https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2879778-report-kenny-atkinson-didnt-want-to-coach-nets-kevin-durant-kyrie-irving.amp.html

“This is the NBA. Disagreements happen, it's an alpha male dominated environment, a highly competitive situation,” Spencer Dinwiddie said, being more tight-lipped than usual.

Atkinson preferred not to be around for KD, Kyrie

Multiple sources told Yahoo Sports that Atkinson wasn’t fond of coaching Durant and Irving based on what he saw this season, and would rather something happen now than at the end of the season.

That gibes with Marks saying he and Atkinson had been in discussions about this for weeks, even months now. It’s tough to embrace Atkinson putting so much into turning the franchise around, but ready to wash his hands of it months into this season.

Whether Atkinson didn’t bend enough to accommodate his accomplished veterans for fear of alienating those who knew him as something different, or the situation was too awkward to work, seems fair to speculate.

And it’s easy to like a “culture” from the outside before you have to put in the hard work that comes with maintaining it. It’s also easy to admire something from afar when you’re yearning to leave the Bay Area and Boston for something, anything else.

“Oh, it was definitely mutual,” a league source told Yahoo Sports.

For the Nets, their “culture” came at a cost and for anyone who thought otherwise, a culture only goes as far as the players allow it to, and even then there will be natural erosion over a period of time — hence why Marks alluded to Atkinson apparently telling him recently that “my voice is not what it once was here. It’s time.”



https://sports.yahoo.com/kenny-atkinsons-tenure-with-nets-comes-to-its-natural-conclusion-as-kd-kyrie-era-nears-014215773.html


I completely forgot about this.

That's actually awesome. For a young coach in that position to have the stones to basically say "eff these divas" and want out is somewhat incredible.


Atkinson is 55 two years older than Bud 53
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Re: Head Coaching Candidates - Horst Interview Page 13 

Post#522 » by JayMKE » Thu May 11, 2023 10:29 am

Atkinson would be highly disappointing and indicative of there not being a plan, he’s not a guy you sh*tcan your championship coach for. IDK how anybody can look at what he did in Brooklyn and be like I want some of that. This coaching search is seeming like a disaster, can’t believe they did this without a plan. Fire Horst.

What level of cope we on when posting articles about this guy not wanting to adjust or getting along with his star players is a good thing? We don’t want a “eff those divas” coach, we don’t need to build a culture around a young team, we need a guy who can adjust and win an NBA championship with this roster.
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Re: Head Coaching Candidates - Horst Interview Page 13 

Post#523 » by BuckFan25226 » Thu May 11, 2023 10:51 am

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I completely forgot about this.

That's actually awesome. For a young coach in that position to have the stones to basically say "eff these divas" and want out is somewhat incredible.


Atkinson is 55 two years older than Bud 53


I'm aware. He started coaching the Nets in his 40's, which was his first head coaching job. There aren't many coaches with that little of H/C experience that would do that.
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Re: Head Coaching Candidates - Horst Interview Page 13 

Post#524 » by midranger » Thu May 11, 2023 10:54 am

Bud could drive me crazy, but agreed. You definitely don’t fire him without having the next guy already lined up, ready to sign. Caveat: Unless… the star player who you want to extend ASAP asks you to.


Also agreed that I don’t want the guy who can lead a plucky, rag-tag bunch to one 8th seed type season. Get a guy who has proven that he can finish with a superstar player. (Again, you don’t fire Bud, unless you have that guy lined up).
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Post#525 » by JayMKE » Thu May 11, 2023 11:07 am

Is anybody else concerned we're literally interviewing the same guys we interviewed with Budenholzer like 5 years ago? I don't think there is a plan, I don't think Horst even knows what he's doing and is in over his head. I don't think he has a basketball mind or any vision with this team, eventually we run of out of rope with a stupid person like that in charge. Talk about retreads holy ****
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Post#526 » by LittleRooster » Thu May 11, 2023 11:13 am

JayMKE wrote:Is anybody else concerned we're literally interviewing the same guys we interviewed with Budenholzer like 5 years ago? I don't think there is a plan, I don't think Horst even knows what he's doing and is in over his head. I don't think he has a basketball mind or any vision with this team, eventually we run of out of rope with a stupid person like that in charge. Talk about retreads holy ****

Except that we aren’t


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Re: Head Coaching Candidates - Horst Interview Page 13 

Post#527 » by BroncoBuck » Thu May 11, 2023 11:31 am

Ron Swanson wrote:I can't for the life of me understand how people hold the Nets stuff against him as a negative. He turned a lottery squad into a low-40's win playoff team with D'Angelo Russell and Jarrett Allen as his two best players. Then Kyrie/KD came in, nuked the locker room, and he was a predictable casualty. He got to coach what, not even a half season of Kyrie before they canned him? KD wasn't even back from the Achilles injury yet. In no universe did he underachieve with that roster.


Go to the Nets Reddit and type in Kenny Atkinson. It’s the same complaints we’ve seen here for years. Strict rotations, refusing to call timeouts, not pulling guys who are playing bad/pulling guys who are hot, no in game adjustments. The Nets had one decent year when he was there and it was because they had two gunners jacking up shots that went in.

The sentiment around Atkinson seems to be he is a top assistant coach, mediocre head coach. The Bucks should be looking for an X’s and O’s Guy, not a developmental coach.
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Re: Head Coaching Candidates - Horst Interview Page 13 

Post#528 » by JayMKE » Thu May 11, 2023 11:32 am

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JayMKE wrote:Is anybody else concerned we're literally interviewing the same guys we interviewed with Budenholzer like 5 years ago? I don't think there is a plan, I don't think Horst even knows what he's doing and is in over his head. I don't think he has a basketball mind or any vision with this team, eventually we run of out of rope with a stupid person like that in charge. Talk about retreads holy ****

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Atkinson and Borrego interviewed for the job 5 years ago correct? How aren't these guys the definitive retreads? What's David Blatt up to? May as well bring in Becky Hammon for an interview because **** it why not. :noway:

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Re: Head Coaching Candidates - Horst Interview Page 13 

Post#529 » by Daver » Thu May 11, 2023 11:34 am

JayMKE wrote:Is anybody else concerned we're literally interviewing the same guys we interviewed with Budenholzer like 5 years ago? I don't think there is a plan, I don't think Horst even knows what he's doing and is in over his head. I don't think he has a basketball mind or any vision with this team, eventually we run of out of rope with a stupid person like that in charge. Talk about retreads holy ****




We as a forum need to all relax we havnt hired anyone yet cause your talking to KA doesnt mean anything right now.They talked to other HC seekers before bud.I think horst has a plan and maybe as a couple posters said yesterday hes just going through the process.
I have searched the web n seen nothing written which says nurse isnt interested but have seen though many tweets n posting that nurse is a leading candidate.Just saying im not really into KA either but we need to let this play out.Horst did great whrn he hired bud im willing to give him so latitude with this until we see who he brings in.
I will still stick to my guns n say nurse until i hear hes out of the running
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Post#530 » by Daver » Thu May 11, 2023 11:35 am

JayMKE wrote:Is anybody else concerned we're literally interviewing the same guys we interviewed with Budenholzer like 5 years ago? I don't think there is a plan, I don't think Horst even knows what he's doing and is in over his head. I don't think he has a basketball mind or any vision with this team, eventually we run of out of rope with a stupid person like that in charge. Talk about retreads holy ****




We as a forum need to all relax we havnt hired anyone yet cause your talking to KA doesnt mean anything right now.They talked to other HC seekers before bud.I think horst has a plan and maybe as a couple posters said yesterday hes just going through the process.
I have searched the web n seen nothing written which says nurse isnt interested but have seen though many tweets n posting that nurse is a leading candidate.Just saying im not really into KA either but we need to let this play out.Horst did great whrn he hired bud im willing to give him so latitude with this until we see who he brings in.
I will still stick to my guns n say nurse until i hear hes out of the running
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Post#531 » by Turk Nowitzki » Thu May 11, 2023 11:47 am

JayMKE wrote:Is anybody else concerned we're literally interviewing the same guys we interviewed with Budenholzer like 5 years ago? I don't think there is a plan, I don't think Horst even knows what he's doing and is in over his head. I don't think he has a basketball mind or any vision with this team, eventually we run of out of rope with a stupid person like that in charge. Talk about retreads holy ****

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Post#532 » by Badgerlander » Thu May 11, 2023 11:59 am

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I completely forgot about this.

That's actually awesome. For a young coach in that position to have the stones to basically say "eff these divas" and want out is somewhat incredible.


Atkinson is 55 two years older than Bud 53


I'm aware. He started coaching the Nets in his 40's, which was his first head coaching job. There aren't many coaches with that little of H/C experience that would do that.



Yup he was 48 when he started coaching the Nets and 52 when he said I’m ready for Cancun but I need you to fire me so I can get paid out. Most wouldn’t have the stones for it because the chances that they get another shot are slim.

Atkinson is like Bud, rigid and strict. They don’t inspire their players to paint outside the lines so their players quit when things aren’t working or they go over their head and say fire this guy.
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Post#533 » by machu46 » Thu May 11, 2023 12:50 pm

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JayMKE wrote:Is anybody else concerned we're literally interviewing the same guys we interviewed with Budenholzer like 5 years ago? I don't think there is a plan, I don't think Horst even knows what he's doing and is in over his head. I don't think he has a basketball mind or any vision with this team, eventually we run of out of rope with a stupid person like that in charge. Talk about retreads holy ****

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Atkinson and Borrego interviewed for the job 5 years ago correct? How aren't these guys the definitive retreads? What's David Blatt up to? May as well bring in Becky Hammon for an interview because **** it why not. :noway:

There isn't any plan and that should freak people out

The plan was to fire Bud like most people wanted and then find a new coach. I wasn’t even someone that wanted Bud fired, but I don’t really get the freak out. It’s pretty normal to fire coaches after disappointing seasons and it’s pretty normal to interview people for a head coaching position.


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Post#534 » by Ron Swanson » Thu May 11, 2023 12:51 pm

Wild that people still hold the "He couldn't get along with Kyrie" thing against any head coach. If some peoples' philosophy is just "anyone who's never associated with Bud", then the organization that's actively interviewing outside of the popular name candidates isn't the one without a plan.
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Post#535 » by raferfenix » Thu May 11, 2023 12:58 pm

Once Giannis spoke publicly about the team (cough Bud) failing to make adjustments and not letting him guard Butler it probably was inevitable we’d make a coaching change.

If he’s saying that to the world who knows what he (or his agent to keep him cleaner) were saying behind the scenes.

Whether Horst has a plan or not is a fair question. But if Giannis wants a new coach we know he wouldn’t make that request lightly.
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Post#536 » by machu46 » Thu May 11, 2023 1:12 pm

raferfenix wrote:Once Giannis spoke publicly about the team (cough Bud) failing to make adjustments and not letting him guard Butler it probably was inevitable we’d make a coaching change.

If he’s saying that to the world who knows what he (or his agent to keep him cleaner) were saying behind the scenes.

Whether Horst has a plan or not is a fair question. But if Giannis wants a new coach we know he wouldn’t make that request lightly.

I feel like he’s said kinda similar stuff in the past too but not quite as transparent as this year’s comments were.


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Post#537 » by MVP2110 » Thu May 11, 2023 1:14 pm

Read on Twitter
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Post#538 » by jimmybones » Thu May 11, 2023 1:37 pm

Daver wrote:
JayMKE wrote:Is anybody else concerned we're literally interviewing the same guys we interviewed with Budenholzer like 5 years ago? I don't think there is a plan, I don't think Horst even knows what he's doing and is in over his head. I don't think he has a basketball mind or any vision with this team, eventually we run of out of rope with a stupid person like that in charge. Talk about retreads holy ****




We as a forum need to all relax we havnt hired anyone yet cause your talking to KA doesnt mean anything right now.They talked to other HC seekers before bud.I think horst has a plan and maybe as a couple posters said yesterday hes just going through the process.
I have searched the web n seen nothing written which says nurse isnt interested but have seen though many tweets n posting that nurse is a leading candidate.Just saying im not really into KA either but we need to let this play out.Horst did great whrn he hired bud im willing to give him so latitude with this until we see who he brings in.
I will still stick to my guns n say nurse until i hear hes out of the running


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Post#539 » by M-C-G » Thu May 11, 2023 1:43 pm

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It's at least interesting. He probably has a lot of credibility with the players, but I don't know enough about his coaching philosophy to even have an opinion.

One guy that I always thought needs to be a Bucks coach is Jared Dudley. Maybe a top assistant?
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Post#540 » by Ron Swanson » Thu May 11, 2023 1:46 pm

Hire Atkinson then bring in Reddick as an assistant/shooting coach. Sure.

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