2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3

Jimmmycrackcorn · Post #541 » by **Jimmmycrackcorn** » Mon Jun 5, 2017 8:05 pm

Rockmaninoff wrote:The only positive indicator Vaughn had was extreme youth. He was coming off an injury, tested average athletically, and wasn't efficiently productive as a freshmen.

The Vaughn in this draft is probably Ferguson.

He averaged over 22 points per-40 minutes at the age of 18, which is something only 29 players in the last 15 years of college basketball can boast, all but eight of whom ended up being NBA players. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Rashad-Vaughn-71472/ ©DraftExpress

Jimmmycrackcorn · Post #542 » by **Jimmmycrackcorn** » Mon Jun 5, 2017 8:07 pm

nmeurett wrote:Kind of crazy that Vaughn is still only 20.
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I probably sound like a Vaughn apologist....but that's the beauty.

Only 20 still, and has had a few years to learn the system now. If he does actually put something together, he can still help this squad.

Hos trash minutes in game 3 against Toronto still give me some hope.

VooDoo7 · Post #543 » by **VooDoo7** » Mon Jun 5, 2017 8:21 pm

Vaughn looks nothing like he did in college. Not talking about production, but his style of play. He has a nice runner/floater that we barely ever see.

Jason Kidd the great developer tho.

Jimmmycrackcorn · Post #544 » by **Jimmmycrackcorn** » Mon Jun 5, 2017 8:23 pm

VooDoo7 wrote:Vaughn looks nothing like he did in college. Not talking about production, but his style of play. He has a nice runner/floater that we barely ever see.

Jason Kidd the great developer tho.

that's my biggest gripe...is that Kidd tried to mold him into something he's not. he was a scorer in college at a very young age. yeah, some of it was volume production, but he wasn't on a leash....like he is with Kidd. he had the ability to split a lane and take it to the hole in college, and he's not being allowed to play that part of his game (which is a strength).

fansinceforever · Post #545 » by **fansinceforever** » Mon Jun 5, 2017 8:26 pm

I'm no fan of Kidd but I doubt he's telling Vaughn to play passively and never put the ball on the floor. I don't know if he's creative or athletic enough to get to the rack and finish regularly in the NBA... Yet... hopefully.

Post #546 » by **Prez** » Mon Jun 5, 2017 8:33 pm

I still think Vaughn becomes a solid NBA player at some point, but I have doubts it'll be here. He seems too comfortable here, it's almost like he himself buys into the whole "I'm a super young 1st round pick, they'll be patient with me" mentality. I think he's a guy who'll pick it up after he gets traded or not offered a good 2nd deal and reality sets in for him. The tools are there though. Hoping he works a lot with Giannis and Thon this summer, maybe Jabari too, and some of their drive rubs off on him.

Jimmmycrackcorn · Post #547 » by **Jimmmycrackcorn** » Mon Jun 5, 2017 8:34 pm

fansinceforever wrote:I'm no fan of Kidd but I doubt he's telling Vaughn to play passively and never put the ball on the floor. I don't know if he's creative or athletic enough to get to the rack and finish regularly in the NBA... Yet... hopefully.

he is (creative and athletic enough)...and he's shown it in small flashes

in fact, he did it a lot in his summer leagues he's played (when he wasn't hurt)

and he's done it a little here and there in some garbage time minutes when he was unleashed as a human victory cigar.

watch these highlights from the game he had against the Nets....where he virtually saved this game. If not for his performance, the Bucks would've easily lost this game.

Watch on YouTube

M-C-G · Post #548 » by **M-C-G** » Mon Jun 5, 2017 8:38 pm

Jimmmycrackcorn wrote:
fansinceforever wrote:I'm no fan of Kidd but I doubt he's telling Vaughn to play passively and never put the ball on the floor. I don't know if he's creative or athletic enough to get to the rack and finish regularly in the NBA... Yet... hopefully.

he is (creative and athletic enough)...and he's shown it in small flashes

in fact, he did it a lot in his summer leagues he's played (when he wasn't hurt)

and he's done it a little here and there in some garbage time minutes when he was unleashed as a human victory cigar.

Watch on YouTube

I felt like he would be good in that OJ Mayo 6th man role. In theory, ability to stroke it, run some offense, get some points. I get why people are down on him, but don't feel he has really been unleashed yet. If he doesn't do much this year, he is a guy that a team like Brooklyn should take a flyer on. He is probably the best bet currently on our roster to be a shoot off the dribble guy, which we could use

Jimmmycrackcorn · Post #549 » by **Jimmmycrackcorn** » Mon Jun 5, 2017 8:52 pm

to give you a better idea of what his game actually looks like, here is the game against the Celtics to wrap up the season on 4/12:

Watch on YouTube

he has the athletic ability to play, but his overall polish isn't where we would all like it to be. but he is only 20.

Jimmmycrackcorn · Post #550 » by **Jimmmycrackcorn** » Mon Jun 5, 2017 8:57 pm

now, imagine if he actually can take the jump this year...or next....and be kept around on a cheap deal....where he'd still be young.

the hopes of him becoming a core piece are getting slimmer by the day, but I'm not wholly ready to give up.....yet. getting closer though.

fansinceforever · Post #551 » by **fansinceforever** » Mon Jun 5, 2017 9:03 pm

I'm not giving up either. I think the biggest issue with him is maintaining his confidence.

Jimmmycrackcorn · Post #552 » by **Jimmmycrackcorn** » Mon Jun 5, 2017 9:07 pm

fansinceforever wrote:I'm not giving up either. I think the biggest issue with him is maintaining his confidence.

he seems pretty confident to me

I just worry that Kidd is gonna break him

Ron Swanson · Post #553 » by **Ron Swanson** » Mon Jun 5, 2017 9:08 pm

All he's ever needed to do was shoot. If he can, then he has a role on this team. If he can't, then he's pretty worthless and will have a short NBA career.

Gianstoppable · Post #554 » by **Gianstoppable** » Mon Jun 5, 2017 9:10 pm

I see half the board has gone from being OK with trading back to now not really liking anyone much at #17. lol

This draft has lots of guys who can step up. Are there guys who can start available at #17? Not really, but how many drafts are there guys like that at #17? There are more guys this draft I'd like to take at #17 than the last few drafts we've had, we can come away with a shooter, or a big easily. Someone will probably fall and if a couple do it makes it pretty interesting.

Gianstoppable · Post #555 » by **Gianstoppable** » Mon Jun 5, 2017 9:11 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:All he's ever needed to do was shoot. If he can, then he has a role on this team. If he can't, then he's pretty worthless and will have a short NBA career.

Sounds like Telly, except Vaughn can play a little defense since hes athletic enough.

Jimmmycrackcorn · Post #556 » by **Jimmmycrackcorn** » Mon Jun 5, 2017 9:13 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:All he's ever needed to do was shoot. If he can, then he has a role on this team. If he can't, then he's pretty worthless and will have a short NBA career.

midrange, or from deep?

I'm not sure he'll ever be a 40% shooter from deep....

Ron Swanson · Post #557 » by **Ron Swanson** » Mon Jun 5, 2017 9:47 pm

Jimmmycrackcorn wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:All he's ever needed to do was shoot. If he can, then he has a role on this team. If he can't, then he's pretty worthless and will have a short NBA career.

midrange, or from deep?

I'm not sure he'll ever be a 40% shooter from deep....

Doesn't need to be. 35-37% consistently? I'll take that.

Jimmmycrackcorn · Post #558 » by **Jimmmycrackcorn** » Mon Jun 5, 2017 9:58 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:
Jimmmycrackcorn wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:All he's ever needed to do was shoot. If he can, then he has a role on this team. If he can't, then he's pretty worthless and will have a short NBA career.

midrange, or from deep?

I'm not sure he'll ever be a 40% shooter from deep....

Doesn't need to be. 35-37% consistently? I'll take that.

well, he did improve from 29% his rookie year, to 32% this year. more time working on it could easily get him into the range you desire.

Fotis St · Post #559 » by **Fotis St** » Mon Jun 5, 2017 10:04 pm

Gianstoppable wrote:I see half the board has gone from being OK with trading back to now not really liking anyone much at #17. lol

This draft has lots of guys who can step up. Are there guys who can start available at #17? Not really, but how many drafts are there guys like that at #17? There are more guys this draft I'd like to take at #17 than the last few drafts we've had, we can come away with a shooter, or a big easily. Someone will probably fall and if a couple do it makes it pretty interesting.

Out of Hartenstein and Semi ... Hartenstein has the biggest potential ...

BUT

Starter ? Semi Ojeleye is the closest call.

22.5 years old , NBA Ready body, 6'7 with 6'10 wingspan, 40+ vertical, 42.4 %3p, 78.5%FT, great combine measurements.

If we don't match a Snell crazy offer ... he has potential to start for us. I think as soon as January he starts some games, he is a great matchup for some strong East wings like Butler/Crowder etc. Not a lock down defender but he won't be shoved out of position, not get outpowered, he will hold his ground and grab some boards which is a huge+ for our team.

I already love this guy ... Destined to be a Buck Champion

Watch on YouTube

My God... imagine Semi/Giannis/Thon in the lineup, we can rebound and run all night

Post #560 » by **Prez** » Mon Jun 5, 2017 10:44 pm

It's amusing how Giannis is the new "is he the next ___?" draft model. Like how every 6'4" athletic combo guard had some dude making Wade comps, or any 7 foot white guy with range is compared to Dirk. Ingram last year, Isaac this year, even heard comps for Kevin Knox next year. Knicks fans have even been talking about Ntilikina as a 6'5" Giannis, whatever that means lol.