Indiana Pacers Draft Pick Watch Thread

[RiotPunch]

Also, if you're looking for a Pat Connaughton clone, Desmond Bane is your guy:

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Interesting comp. I see more of a 'high IQ, better shooting Sterling' when I watch Bane. Elite team defender, low usage deadly shooter, very strong, very smart. He and Pat coming into the game together with the 2nd unit would be fun. I've been on the Banewagon for awhile now, Top-25 prospect for me.

The thing that probably hurts Bane's rating the most is wingspan. He's listed at 6'6 with a 6'4.5 wingspan. But his standing reach is just about average for a 2, so that shouldn't hurt his ability to get off his shot, and because his 3 point shot is so good, I agree with those who think he can be very effective off the bench. It also doesn't hurt that he's stronger than most guards. He's no Brogdon, but yeah - he could be as effective as Connaughton or even a bit better, imo.

If his arms were longer, he'd be Top-10 in this draft. It is a slight concern, but not damning. I'd still feel super comfortable betting on him to contribute on both ends right away.

[BroncoBuck]

Yeah, I've kinda fallen off the Ramsey bandwagon the more I look at the other wings. 64% from the line is kind of a red flag, and he'll be a bit of a one-trick pony on offense. If he hits he'll be one hell of a 3&D wing, but I don't think his upside is really that enamoring. If all you want is a 3&D wing type, there are better, and safer, prospects in that range.

Saddiq Bey

[LuessiT]

I'd rather move back for a guy like Isaiah Joe, who has a far more versatile shot profile and his defensive woes being mostly frame related rather than feel/effort related with Ramsey.

Trading back only makes sense in very few occasions. It only really makes sense if you're getting a haul from a team willing to trade up at all costs.

[Ron Swanson]

Yeah if anything I'm looking to trade up if a guy like Okoro, Maxey or Cole Anthony slips within range. With all the lack of scouting opportunities and exposure this year due to the tourney being cancelled, this is the class where you might get an absolute steal in the mid-1st. No way we'd have room on the roster next season for two rookies anyways.

[BucksFanSD]

Based on the roster situation, if there are a couple guys that you like equally that are available when it's our turn to pick, I'd consider trading back later in the 1st round and pick up a team's 1st rounder next year.

[Ron Swanson]

Yeah, I've kinda fallen off the Ramsey bandwagon the more I look at the other wings. 64% from the line is kind of a red flag, and he'll be a bit of a one-trick pony on offense. If he hits he'll be one hell of a 3&D wing, but I don't think his upside is really that enamoring. If all you want is a 3&D wing type, there are better, and safer, prospects in that range.

Saddiq Bey

Yeah, he's the only Bey I'd feel good taking at 19. Although I think there's some defensive concerns there.

[Ruzious]

Yeah, I've kinda fallen off the Ramsey bandwagon the more I look at the other wings. 64% from the line is kind of a red flag, and he'll be a bit of a one-trick pony on offense. If he hits he'll be one hell of a 3&D wing, but I don't think his upside is really that enamoring. If all you want is a 3&D wing type, there are better, and safer, prospects in that range.

Saddiq Bey

Yeah, he's the only Bey I'd feel good taking at 19. Although I think there's some defensive concerns there.

On his D, he doesn't get many steals and blocks, so the stat guys say his defense stinks. But the people who actually watch him play generally do like his defense.

[RiotPunch]

Saddiq Bey

Yeah, he's the only Bey I'd feel good taking at 19. Although I think there's some defensive concerns there.

On his D, he doesn't get many steals and blocks, so the stat guys say his defense stinks. But the people who actually watch him play generally do like his defense.

I don't totally agree with that. The stats certainly don't do him any justice, and when you watch him play there is no denying he's a good college defender, that I agree with. However, in watching him more, his poor movement skills become more and more evident. His momentum straight up takes him out of plays because he cannot change direction well. This sequence comes to mind:

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He is a Jay Wright student, so you know he is going to play smart on both ends, and he does, but he has slow processing/reaction speed. In college he can recover from that, but that won't fly at the next level.

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Basically, I think he is a guy who will shoot well for his position, be able to playmake a bit in an ancillary capacity and be average at best on defense, with better team defense than on-ball. Rotation guy for a long time, but just a pretty limited ceiling. I'm kinda meh on him.

[RiotPunch]

I'd rather move back for a guy like Isaiah Joe, who has a far more versatile shot profile and his defensive woes being mostly frame related rather than feel/effort related with Ramsey.

Trading back only makes sense in very few occasions. It only really makes sense if you're getting a haul from a team willing to trade up at all costs.

Not advocating trading back, just saying I would rather trade back than select Ramsey.

[emunney]

Saddiq Bey

Yeah, he's the only Bey I'd feel good taking at 19. Although I think there's some defensive concerns there.

On his D, he doesn't get many steals and blocks, so the stat guys say his defense stinks. But the people who actually watch him play generally do like his defense.

I think he's going to be a high quality team defender who holds up well against forwards. I could see him getting strong enough to battle bigger players, and I could see him getting savvy enough to limit guards (particularly dumb ones). He's going to get on the floor pretty quickly wherever he lands, imo.

[Ron Swanson]

I don't think his defense "stinks" but yeah, lateral quickness is gonna be an issue against NBA caliber wings and guards. Wouldn't stop me from drafting him, but first thing I'd do is lock him in the film room and have him do nothing but watch Middleton tape to demonstrate how to turn yourself into a good defender despite athletic limitations.

[Chuck Diesel]

Would love to know what the front office draft scouting process has been throughout the quarantine. Would have to imagine Bud & his staff have dug deeper with the extra time.

[BucksFanSD]

I am highly valuing the shooters in this draft but with Saddiq Bey I just can't go over how slow and unathletic he is.

[Badgerlander]

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Visions of Pascal Siakam?

[Ruzious]

I am highly valuing the shooters in this draft but with Saddiq Bey I just can't go over how slow and unathletic he is.

Do you think he's less athletic than Middleton is?

[BucksFanSD]

I am highly valuing the shooters in this draft but with Saddiq Bey I just can't go over how slow and unathletic he is.

Do you think he's less athletic than Middleton is?

I'm not sure. I noticed Bey looks slow twitch, and lacks burst and lateral quickness. Watching a little more of him just now, he has good length and positions himself well. He can really shoot it, and I want a shooter with this pick.

[German Athens]

How do you guys rank the pg class? I know we won’t have a shot for the top 3 and I’d love to have Halliburton, but after that I have Kira Lewis, tyrell terry, and question marks. I don’t know what to make of Cole Anthony or nico mannion. I have a hard time seeing them as starters in the league. Does anyone have strong opinions of those two either way? After they are gone, Dotson and riller, maybe?

[Ruzious]

How do you guys rank the pg class? I know we won’t have a shot for the top 3 and I’d love to have Halliburton, but after that I have Kira Lewis, tyrell terry, and question marks. I don’t know what to make of Cole Anthony or nico mannion. I have a hard time seeing them as starters in the league. Does anyone have strong opinions of those two either way? After they are gone, Dotson and riller, maybe?

I think both Anthony and Mannion are a bit overrated. Neither played up to their reputations. Anthony has more potential of the 2. Actually, I think Mannion's teammate - Josh Green - is a better prospect - though he's obviously more 2 than 1 - he can definitely defend PG's. Riller seems like an interesting under-the-radar prospect.

[German Athens]

How do you guys rank the pg class? I know we won’t have a shot for the top 3 and I’d love to have Halliburton, but after that I have Kira Lewis, tyrell terry, and question marks. I don’t know what to make of Cole Anthony or nico mannion. I have a hard time seeing them as starters in the league. Does anyone have strong opinions of those two either way? After they are gone, Dotson and riller, maybe?

I think both Anthony and Mannion are a bit overrated. Neither played up to their reputations. Anthony has more potential of the 2. Actually, I think Mannion's teammate - Josh Green - is a better prospect - though he's obviously more 2 than 1 - he can definitely defend PG's. Riller seems like an interesting under-the-radar prospect.

Anthony I have a particularly tough time evaluating. I just see Jerryd bayless, and have a tough time projecting a starter out of him - which is what I’m really seeking here. I think with both lewis and even terry there’s a path where they could end up as starters, and I can see it. Lewis has elite speed, very good quickness who should bend a defense, and his shot actually seems surprisingly good. Terry has the chance for outlier shooting ability. I’m just not sure i see something elite with Anthony, but I know some people really like him on this board.

[BucksFanSD]

How do you guys rank the pg class? I know we won’t have a shot for the top 3 and I’d love to have Halliburton, but after that I have Kira Lewis, tyrell terry, and question marks. I don’t know what to make of Cole Anthony or nico mannion. I have a hard time seeing them as starters in the league. Does anyone have strong opinions of those two either way? After they are gone, Dotson and riller, maybe?

Anthony will be drafted before we pick. For the guys in our range... Mannion I'm not high on. Maledon, Dotson, and Tre Jones I'm in between on, but overall like them. I really like Tyrell Terry and Kira Lewis.