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Re: ATL - Suns Implode 

Post#541 » by Profound23 » Thu May 19, 2022 3:13 am

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Profound23 wrote:I know everyone is sad and thinking we would dominate the Heat.....which is possible....but I feel this GSW team would have killed us if it came down to GS vs Mil.

Yeah, Giannis gets off but the way we leave 3s open and they have so many shooters I don't think we hang with them. Sure, there is a chance GS misses a whole bunch of open threes for 4/7 games, but I doubt it.


We don't need 3s to beat the Warriors. That's why they were the best match up for us. Giannis unstoppable without double team, Jrue and Khris bullying Poole and Curry, Lopez and Bobby big boying in the paint.

Also Lopez will be playable because they always play a non shooter like Draymond or Looney.



I am not saying we need 3s, I am saying we need to defend the 3 which we can't do. Just looking at how Miami closed out on the perimeter compared to us was all the proof I needed that we didn't have the team needed to beat GS assuming both teams would have made it there.
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Re: ATL - Suns Implode 

Post#542 » by greekbuck34 » Thu May 19, 2022 3:21 am

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Profound23 wrote:I know everyone is sad and thinking we would dominate the Heat.....which is possible....but I feel this GSW team would have killed us if it came down to GS vs Mil.

Yeah, Giannis gets off but the way we leave 3s open and they have so many shooters I don't think we hang with them. Sure, there is a chance GS misses a whole bunch of open threes for 4/7 games, but I doubt it.


We don't need 3s to beat the Warriors. That's why they were the best match up for us. Giannis unstoppable without double team, Jrue and Khris bullying Poole and Curry, Lopez and Bobby big boying in the paint.

Also Lopez will be playable because they always play a non shooter like Draymond or Looney.



I am not saying we need 3s, I am saying we need to defend the 3 which we can't do. Just looking at how Miami closed out on the perimeter compared to us was all the proof I needed that we didn't have the team needed to beat GS assuming both teams would have made it there.


We can if we leave 1 guy wide open. We would dare Draymond, Looney and a few times Wiggins and Otto Porter.
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Re: ATL - Suns Implode 

Post#543 » by Prez » Thu May 19, 2022 3:44 am

The Warriors would also need to guard us, and I get that the Bucks offense looked anemic a lot of the time against Boston, but Boston’s defense is insane and we were down an all star wing and a massive part of our half court offense. Golden State presents nowhere near the issues defensively that Boston did. They’d have nothing for Giannis, let alone all 3 of Giannis/Khris/Jrue together. I also think they’d have real trouble against the size of our front court.

I think the healthy Bucks would just physically wear them down over 7 the same way they did Phoenix last year.
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Re: ATL - Suns Implode 

Post#544 » by rilamann » Thu May 19, 2022 3:56 am

Baddy Chuck wrote:Jimmy Butler on PJ:

He's one of the biggest reasons why we're winning, because he does all the little things. It's easy to follow suit whenever you've got somebody like that leading your team."


Exactly what I have been saying this whole time about PJ.

But it's a different kind of gut punch when you hear someone who is actually in the NBA and one of PJ's teammates say it. And don't think for a second that Butler going nuclear has nothing to do with PJ. As we saw first hand last season, PJ knows how to bring out the dawg in his teammates.

One of the many intangibles PJ brings that are evidentiality lost on a lot of people around here.
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Re: ATL - Suns Implode 

Post#545 » by stellation » Thu May 19, 2022 4:31 am

Giddey should be first team all rookie, even with being shutdown for the end of the season. How very dare you all.
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Re: ATL - Suns Implode 

Post#546 » by Plossum » Thu May 19, 2022 4:45 am

stellation wrote:Giddey should be first team all rookie, even with being shutdown for the end of the season. How very dare you all.

Preach.
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Re: ATL - Suns Implode 

Post#547 » by paulpressey25 » Thu May 19, 2022 4:54 am

stellation wrote:Giddey should be first team all rookie, even with being shutdown for the end of the season. How very dare you all.


Bogut, Ben Simmons, Exum, Kyrie, Thon…..voters here getting sophisticated in wanting to wait a few years before prematurely showering Aussies with awards. They’re sensing a pattern. 8-)
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Re: ATL - Suns Implode 

Post#548 » by aboveAverage » Thu May 19, 2022 5:33 am

rilamann wrote:
Baddy Chuck wrote:Jimmy Butler on PJ:

He's one of the biggest reasons why we're winning, because he does all the little things. It's easy to follow suit whenever you've got somebody like that leading your team."


Exactly what I have been saying this whole time about PJ.

But it's a different kind of gut punch when you hear someone who is actually in the NBA and one of PJ's teammates say it. And don't think for a second that Butler going nuclear has nothing to do with PJ. As we saw first hand last season, PJ knows how to bring out the dawg in his teammates.

One of the many intangibles PJ brings that are evidentiality lost on a lot of people around here.

I don’t think many here disagree with you. We’d all love to have PJ. Dumb move by our owners letting him walk.
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Re: ATL - Suns Implode 

Post#549 » by stellation » Thu May 19, 2022 5:45 am

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stellation wrote:Giddey should be first team all rookie, even with being shutdown for the end of the season. How very dare you all.


Bogut, Ben Simmons, Exum, Kyrie, Thon…..voters here getting sophisticated in wanting to wait a few years before prematurely showering Aussies with awards. They’re sensing a pattern. 8-)

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Re: ATL - Suns Implode 

Post#550 » by AussieBuck » Thu May 19, 2022 7:06 am

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stellation wrote:Giddey should be first team all rookie, even with being shutdown for the end of the season. How very dare you all.


Bogut, Ben Simmons, Exum, Kyrie, Thon…..voters here getting sophisticated in wanting to wait a few years before prematurely showering Aussies with awards. They’re sensing a pattern. 8-)

Nah we're not claiming Kyrie anymore, or Bogut (I'll find an excuse why later) Ben's a Kardashian now so he's American. Dante, Thon and Giddey we'll keep.
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Re: ATL - Suns Implode 

Post#551 » by thomchatt3rton » Thu May 19, 2022 11:50 am

Prez wrote:The Warriors would also need to guard us, and I get that the Bucks offense looked anemic a lot of the time against Boston, but Boston’s defense is insane and we were down an all star wing and a massive part of our half court offense. Golden State presents nowhere near the issues defensively that Boston did. They’d have nothing for Giannis, let alone all 3 of Giannis/Khris/Jrue together. I also think they’d have real trouble against the size of our front court.

I think the healthy Bucks would just physically wear them down over 7 the same way they did Phoenix last year.

Yeah idk. I think GSWs constant motion and plus multiple points of attack (always having 3 of Curry Klay Wiggins Poole out there) would be tough for our older slower defenders to keep up with. Soooo much motion and space.

But I admit that every time I’ve caught the Warriors this year they’ve looked great- just by chance I’ve missed their clunkers/average games, so maybe I’m overrating them.


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Post#552 » by chonestown » Thu May 19, 2022 1:16 pm

rilamann wrote:One of the many intangibles PJ brings that are evidentiality lost on a lot of people around here.


Yeah-no, this is bowl sheet.

There were two reasons given in favor of letting PJ walk:
1) Age
2) Money

PJ Tucker without intangibles is just an old, undersized wing. The universal praise for PJ Tucker on real gm dot com slash Bucks was not based on his prodigious (hey-yo) measurements or top-level skill, no? When PJ Tucker was warmly referred to as a "dog," it was not because PJ Tucker was canine. I think.

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Re: ATL - Suns Implode 

Post#553 » by RogerMurdock » Thu May 19, 2022 1:33 pm

jschligs wrote:Man it just kills me watching these conference finals games...we should be here. Stupid wet spot.


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Post#554 » by sidney lanier » Thu May 19, 2022 1:47 pm

jschligs wrote:Man it just kills me watching these conference finals games...we should be here. Stupid wet spot.


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Re: ATL - Suns Implode 

Post#556 » by greekbuck34 » Thu May 19, 2022 8:51 pm

If we knew that Allen and Bobby Portis would forget to shoot in a whole series yes we should have kept PJ Tucker.
Even with Tucker we lose our series though.
We were primarily missing offense. A guy that could make shots even semi-contested.
We had plenty of grittiness or defense or rebounding.
A team that wins 2 games on the road has enough of that especially with the way we beat them in game 5.
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Post#557 » by GoldenAntlers » Thu May 19, 2022 8:55 pm

greekbuck34 wrote:If we knew that Allen and Bobby Portis would forget to shoot in a whole series yes we should have kept PJ Tucker.
Even with Tucker we lose our series though.
We were primarily missing offense. A guy that could make shots even semi-contested.
We had plenty of grittiness or defense or rebounding.
A team that wins 2 games on the road has enough of that especially with the way we beat them in game 5.
If we had PJ we wouldn't have had to score more though. We'd win the possession advantage almost every game. More fast breaks for Giannis. More calls in our favor. No way to prove it, just a feeling. Ownership messed that up from day one. PJ is the type of guy who inspires guys like Grayson Allen to win.
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Post#558 » by drew881 » Thu May 19, 2022 8:58 pm

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Re: ATL - Suns Implode 

Post#559 » by rilamann » Thu May 19, 2022 9:53 pm

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greekbuck34 wrote:If we knew that Allen and Bobby Portis would forget to shoot in a whole series yes we should have kept PJ Tucker.
Even with Tucker we lose our series though.
We were primarily missing offense. A guy that could make shots even semi-contested.
We had plenty of grittiness or defense or rebounding.
A team that wins 2 games on the road has enough of that especially with the way we beat them in game 5.
If we had PJ we wouldn't have had to score more though. We'd win the possession advantage almost every game. More fast breaks for Giannis. More calls in our favor. No way to prove it, just a feeling. Ownership messed that up from day one. PJ is the type of guy who inspires guys like Grayson Allen to win.


Also, don't forget PJ's ability to commit 10 fouls a game and only get called for 4 or 5 because of his defensive reputation. We really missed that.

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Re: ATL - Suns Implode 

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