Preseason Game 5: Memphis at Milwaukee - 10/20/23 - 7:00 - BSWI - Khris a Go

yannisk · Post #541 » by **yannisk** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 1:07 pm

The problem with Giannis on the top of the key is that nothing else happens, basically everybody stays frozen not many secondary actions. That was Bud's main offensive philosophy, Giannis drive, the rest go on predermined positions and wait for a pass to let it fly.

This gave us plenty of regular season success, but failed some (most) times in the playoffs because Giannis does not have the most crisp passing and our shooters are not that good. Personally i think we did not so much underachieve in the playoffs as we overachieved in the regular season. The roster was never that good to have a dynasty.

I think we need more variation, Giannis should not become Capela and Lillard should not become Forbes. There are plenty of possessions, for Giannis, Lilard, Middleton and even Payne to initiate and we have to hunt mismatches which very seldom did we do under Bud.

MVP2110 · Post #542 » by **MVP2110** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 1:15 pm

People saying we should cut Beasley or that hes worse than TA are wrong. There is absolutely no way Beas should be starting for us, but he's perfect off the bench as a high volume shooter. He just shouldn't be in the starting lineup taking shots from our Big 3 or having to guard guys like Desmond Bane. Play him 15-20 mpg off the bench and let him cook

jimmybones · Post #543 » by **jimmybones** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 1:21 pm

Biggest question for me going in to the year with AG will be rotations. I'm fine with easing the young guys in and giving the vets the first shot but if they don't give the young talent a shot I'll be so disappointed.

Can you imagine a well coached organization failing to find ways to utilize AJJ's tools or Green's shooting and having them rot on the bench while RoLo plays because "backup center"

Shaffty · Post #544 » by **Shaffty** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 1:38 pm

Daver wrote:
PG Graveyard wrote:The free throw thing with Giannis just continues to get worse. Where is the sports psychologist? He needs help

Hiw bout spending a off season just practing them.JFC other players have done that n improved.Apparently missing 13 in game 5 didnt bother him enough to practice

do you really think he doesnt practice them?

ShootingtheJ · Post #545 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 2:06 pm

Marjon finished the preseason averaging 11 PPG in 19 MPG, while shooting 44% from 3 with a 58TS%.

bucksfansince88 · Post #546 » by **bucksfansince88** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 2:11 pm

FrieAaron wrote:Really like what Marjon, AJJ and Tyty showed tonight.

AJ Green was balling too

MVP2110 · Post #547 » by **MVP2110** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 2:18 pm

ShootingtheJ wrote:Marjon finished the preseason averaging 11 PPG in 19 MPG, while shooting 44% from 3 with a 58TS%.

Very high highs and low lows for him but that's why he needs to play to develop that consistency. You can certainly see it with him

Daver · Post #548 » by **Daver** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 2:33 pm

jimmybones wrote:Biggest question for me going in to the year with AG will be rotations. I'm fine with easing the young guys in and giving the vets the first shot but if they don't give the young talent a shot I'll be so disappointed.

Can you imagine a well coached organization failing to find ways to utilize AJJ's tools or Green's shooting and having them rot on the bench while RoLo plays because "backup center"

Agree with that think if green was on a team like miami with spo he eould be getting 15-20 mins a night he shoots better than robinson

Daver · Post #549 » by **Daver** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 2:36 pm

MVP2110 wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:Marjon finished the preseason averaging 11 PPG in 19 MPG, while shooting 44% from 3 with a 58TS%.

Very high highs and low lows for him but that's why he needs to play to develop that consistency. You can certainly see it with him

You know im not a big marjon fan you n others have a bigger hardon for him than i got.When he has a bad game like he did the last 2 i think nothing is said but when ge has a good game against the 2nd n 3rd team of memphis then hes great.I like beas but now just so we can give marjon a shot with the starters id say start him against philly see where it goes.Beas can give you the same O wether its starting or off the bench

MVP2110 · Post #550 » by **MVP2110** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 2:38 pm

Daver wrote:
MVP2110 wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:Marjon finished the preseason averaging 11 PPG in 19 MPG, while shooting 44% from 3 with a 58TS%.

Very high highs and low lows for him but that's why he needs to play to develop that consistency. You can certainly see it with him

You know im not a big marjon fan you n others have a bigger hardon for him than i got.When he has a bad game like he did the last 2 i think nothing is said but when ge has a good game against the 2nd n 3rd team of memphis then hes great.I like beas but now just so we can give marjon a shot with the starters id say start him against philly see where it goes.Beas can give you the same O wether its starting or off the bench

If you go back to the 4th preseason game thread I posted in there that MarJon was really bad. I like AJJ more than I like MarJon.

ShootingtheJ · Post #551 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 2:46 pm

MVP2110 wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:Marjon finished the preseason averaging 11 PPG in 19 MPG, while shooting 44% from 3 with a 58TS%.

Very high highs and low lows for him but that's why he needs to play to develop that consistency. You can certainly see it with him

Agree, it behooves the Bucks to tolerate the inconsistencies due to their desperation for a long, quick on ball defender.

Daver · Post #552 » by **Daver** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 2:48 pm

MVP2110 wrote:
Daver wrote:
MVP2110 wrote:
Very high highs and low lows for him but that's why he needs to play to develop that consistency. You can certainly see it with him

You know im not a big marjon fan you n others have a bigger hardon for him than i got.When he has a bad game like he did the last 2 i think nothing is said but when ge has a good game against the 2nd n 3rd team of memphis then hes great.I like beas but now just so we can give marjon a shot with the starters id say start him against philly see where it goes.Beas can give you the same O wether its starting or off the bench

If you go back to the 4th preseason game thread I posted in there that MarJon was really bad. I like AJJ more than I like MarJon.

I want the best 5 period out there to start beas has his warts as does marjon n AJJ none of them are exactly the 2 you want.Perfect 2 would be beas O n marjons D combined.But its not who starts but who finishes beas will get his 20 to 25 mins a night question is will that be with the other big 4 or with the bench.
I just know from listening to AG he loves spacing right decision or not beas does give you that.Im willing to start marjon if it makes the starting 5 D better.I have my doubts marjon would of done any better agsinst bane

ShootingtheJ · Post #553 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 2:50 pm

High point of the starters last night was watching Middleton cross up Smart and hit an easy jumper.

Low point was watching Bane cook Beasley, knowing this is about to happen to the Bucks on a nightly basis because Griffin is completely miscasting Beasley.

jimmybones · Post #554 » by **jimmybones** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 2:52 pm

Daver wrote:
jimmybones wrote:Biggest question for me going in to the year with AG will be rotations. I'm fine with easing the young guys in and giving the vets the first shot but if they don't give the young talent a shot I'll be so disappointed.

Can you imagine a well coached organization failing to find ways to utilize AJJ's tools or Green's shooting and having them rot on the bench while RoLo plays because "backup center"

Agree with that think if green was on a team like miami with spo he eould be getting 15-20 mins a night he shoots better than robinson

hell yeah daver

Daver · Post #555 » by **Daver** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 2:55 pm

ShootingtheJ wrote:High point of the starters last night was watching Middleton cross up Smart and hit an easy jumper.

Low point was watching Bane cook Beasley, knowing this is about to happen to the Bucks on a nightly basis because Griffin is completely miscasting Beasley.

And you think magically AJJ or marjon would do any better against bane.Bane does that damn near against everyone so AJJ could stop him marjon could holiday couldnt last year

Milbucks96 · Post #556 » by **Milbucks96** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 3:04 pm

I’ve come around to MJB starting. I still don’t think that highly of him but I think it’s worth a try.

Daver · Post #557 » by **Daver** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 3:15 pm

Milbucks96 wrote:I’ve come around to MJB starting. I still don’t think that highly of him but I think it’s worth a try.

I dont think marjon does any better of a job on bane either its all beas hate

crowhead76 · Post #558 » by **crowhead76** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 3:46 pm

Was really impressed with TyTy last night. I thought he did a nice job controlling the offense and making correct decisions.

ShootingtheJ · Post #559 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 3:47 pm

Daver wrote:
Milbucks96 wrote:I’ve come around to MJB starting. I still don’t think that highly of him but I think it’s worth a try.

I dont think marjon does any better of a job on bane either its all beas hate

Marjon is quicker, longer, and was great statistically a year ago as an isolation defender. It would be surprising if he wasn't better on Bane.

MVP2110 · Post #560 » by **MVP2110** » Sat Oct 21, 2023 3:51 pm

ShootingtheJ wrote:
Daver wrote:
Milbucks96 wrote:I’ve come around to MJB starting. I still don’t think that highly of him but I think it’s worth a try.

I dont think marjon does any better of a job on bane either its all beas hate

Marjon is quicker, longer, and was great statistically a year ago as an isolation defender. It would be surprising if he wasn't better on Bane.

Yea correct me if I'm wrong but most of MarJon's metrics as a defender were pretty good last year. Granted it was a small sample size but his defense is his stronger of the two sides.