Woelfel - 70% bogut's gone and maybe Jennings (update pg131)

[Ayt]

Newz, I get what you're saying. I don't agree that it needs to be done, though, simply because next year Udrih and Jackson will be expirings, and it's possible Udrih opts out anyway. A late 1st isn't enough of a reason to give up Ersan's rights in my opinion. Obviously you disagree. It's ok.

I don't see any possible way he does that. He's set to make 7.4M next year. That could easily be more than he makes in two seasons on his next contract.

[ReasonablySober]

We're 2.5 games outside of the #5 pick. We're losing with Ersan. It's not really a huge concern for me.

Besides, if he's good enough to carry this **** team to wins, isn't that proof that he's a 24 year old you build with? I also think role player does him a disservice. LRMAM is a role player. A guy who can do what Ersan's done lately is a bit more than that.

[Newz]

Agree. I think he's the first big off the bench type of guy or with a team like Orlando he would be a really good fit as a starter. That's not a guy you give the MLE to in our situation and I like Ersan as a player a lot.

Agree with that. I just have no idea where DB is coming for. Now he's saying teams could pay him more...

How much are people realistically willing to go up to Ersan? Are we going to give the guy a 4 year, $40 million dollar deal to retain him or something totally insane like that?

[Bucksfans1and2]

The "chance" or "opportunity" to maybe use Bird rights to outbid other teams to overpay Ersan wouldn't stop me from Dumping Gooden AND Udrih and picking up a late first.

As Tom Cruise would say, you had me at "dropping Gooden"

Gooden should be amnestied anyway, and there's a chance Udrih walks.

[Bucksfans1and2]

We're 2.5 games outside of the #5 pick. We're losing with Ersan. It's not really a huge concern for me.

Besides, if he's good enough to carry this **** team to wins, isn't that proof that he's a 24 year old you build with? I also think role player does him a disservice. LRMAM is a role player. A guy who can do what Ersan's done lately is a bit more than that.

Ersan's the reason that we have as many wins as we do. It's important to move him, I just think he has more value than that trade.

[Newz]

Gooden should be amnestied anyway, and there's a chance Udrih walks.

1. I don't expect Kohl to just flush ~$18 million to amnesty Gooden.
2. I think the people who really believe Beno will walk and pass up $7.5 million are being a little unrealistic. I understand he wants to play more... but he may not make $7.5 million in the next two years of whatever contract he gets after leaving Milwaukee.

[El Duderino]

What I'd want:

1. Trade Ersan for a pick. Let Gooden and Jackson rot here. Maybe we take extra salary on our something for them eventually and gain an extra pick.

2. Trade those two and sign Ersan with some of the savings. Probably more of a practical/ideal solution, but I'm not bothered with Gooden/Jackson on the roster during a rebuild.

Plus, according to the new CBA, don't the Bucks have to be at at least 85% of the cap each year?

[Max Green]

The "chance" or "opportunity" to maybe use Bird rights to outbid other teams to overpay Ersan wouldn't stop me from Dumping Gooden AND Udrih and picking up a late first.

As Tom Cruise would say, you had me at "dropping Gooden"

Gooden should be amnestied anyway, and there's a chance Udrih walks.

Amnestying Gooden would be a huge waste of money when there is actually another team who's' willing to trade for him.

[ReasonablySober]

We're 2.5 games outside of the #5 pick. We're losing with Ersan. It's not really a huge concern for me.

Besides, if he's good enough to carry this **** team to wins, isn't that proof that he's a 24 year old you build with? I also think role player does him a disservice. LRMAM is a role player. A guy who can do what Ersan's done lately is a bit more than that.

Ersan's the reason that we have as many wins as we do. It's important to move him, I just think he has more value than that trade.

Agree with that. I'm fine with moving him, but we need to get something legit for a guy who can do what he's doing.

[trwi7]

We're 2.5 games outside of the #5 pick. We're losing with Ersan. It's not really a huge concern for me.

Besides, if he's good enough to carry this **** team to wins, isn't that proof that he's a 24 year old you build with? I also think role player does him a disservice. LRMAM is a role player. A guy who can do what Ersan's done lately is a bit more than that.

Yes but we could be losing more. I'd rather have a 15% chance to win the lottery with the guarantee of not dropping any lower than 6th than a 3% chance to win the lottery and a chance that I could be dropped to 11th.

Do we beat the Nets if Ersan doesn't get 29/25? Do we beat the Wizards if he doesn't have 13/11 including the game winning tip in? Do we beat Philly if he doesn't grab 18 boards?

[Bucksfans1and2]

Ersan's the reason that we have as many wins as we do. It's important to move him, I just think he has more value than that trade.

Agree with that. I'm fine with moving him, but we need to get something legit for a guy who can do what he's doing.

You and I are in complete agreement, seem to be the only ones.

[BuckPack]

Gooden should be amnestied anyway, and there's a chance Udrih walks.

1. I don't expect Kohl to just flush ~$18 million to amnesty Gooden.
2. I think the people who really believe Beno will walk and pass up $7.5 million are being a little unrealistic. I understand he wants to play more... but he may not make $7.5 million in the next two years of whatever contract he gets after leaving Milwaukee.

1. This is key. People keep throwing around the idea that the Bucks can just amnesty Gooden w/out recognizing that while it would clear cap room, it's still a cash outflow to Kohl. Kohl is not going to pay Gooden 7 mill/year to play on another team.

So Gooden's not getting amnestied anytime in the near future. Clearing his salary in a trade like this would be MUCH preferred than just dropping the amnesty on him in the offseason. Two very different realities.

2. Agreed.

If the Bucks could get this Orlando deal (couple of young assets, first and getting rid of Gooden/Udrih), they'd jump all over it.

[Bucksfans1and2]

Gooden should be amnestied anyway, and there's a chance Udrih walks.

1. I don't expect Kohl to just flush ~$18 million to amnesty Gooden.
2. I think the people who really believe Beno will walk and pass up $7.5 million are being a little unrealistic. I understand he wants to play more... but he may not make $7.5 million in the next two years of whatever contract he gets after leaving Milwaukee.

1. This is key. People keep throwing around the idea that the Bucks can just amnesty Gooden w/out recognizing that while it would clear cap room, it's still a cash outflow to Kohl. Kohl is not going to pay Gooden 7 mill/year to play on another team.

So Gooden's not getting amnestied anytime in the near future. Clearing his salary in a trade like this would be MUCH preferred than just dropping the amnesty on him in the offseason. Two very different realities.

2. Agreed.

If the Bucks could get this Orlando deal (couple of young assets, first and getting rid of Gooden/Udrih), they'd jump all over it.

1. That **** sucks the big one.

2. That also sucks

3. Why am I a fan of this team?

[stevescheffler06]

Gooden should be amnestied anyway, and there's a chance Udrih walks.

1. I don't expect Kohl to just flush ~$18 million to amnesty Gooden.
2. I think the people who really believe Beno will walk and pass up $7.5 million are being a little unrealistic. I understand he wants to play more... but he may not make $7.5 million in the next two years of whatever contract he gets after leaving Milwaukee.

1. This is key. People keep throwing around the idea that the Bucks can just amnesty Gooden w/out recognizing that while it would clear cap room, it's still a cash outflow to Kohl. Kohl is not going to pay Gooden 7 mill/year to play on another team.

So Gooden's not getting amnestied anytime in the near future. Clearing his salary in a trade like this would be MUCH preferred than just dropping the amnesty on him in the offseason. Two very different realities.

2. Agreed.

If the Bucks could get this Orlando deal (couple of young assets, first and getting rid of Gooden/Udrih), they'd jump all over it.

Wait wait wait. They're aware of and interested in young assets? Craziness.

[averageposter]

There doesn't seem to be anybody in this deal that the Bucks would have to work really hard to get rid of next year so I would guess its a no go on the Bucks side anyway. Its also lacking in players on the wrong side of 30 in general.

[Fresh_Prince12]

guys! just heard gasol has been traded on another board. It just might be a scare, but please don't tell me we're involved in this.

[ReasonablySober]

Wojo was saying Houston is hot for him but a deal isn't close. I don't know. Doubt the Bucks would be involved.

[BUCKnation]

guys! just heard gasol has been traded on another board. It just might be a scare, but please don't tell me we're involved in this.

apparently it is GS who is involved

[jimmybones]

Wait wait wait. They're aware of and interested in young assets? Craziness.

Honestly, I felt a little better inside that BP confirmed we'd be interested in getting a pick and young assets, as painfully obvious as it should be anyways.

[BUCKnation]

Id take that Orlando deal in a second. You get a bunch of young guys, plus a pick and possibly another pick if you trade beasley. All it takes is for one or two to be good and the deal already pays for itself. I think it is a no brainer if offered.