The Jabari Discussion Thread - Back 2/2

[skones]

One benefit to Jabari coming back might be Middleton not trying to do so much. I mean, he was at hyper efficiency when he had the MAP lineup. We haven't seen him since then. But he's still a great player. Right now, it seems he's shouldering a huge role that he's not good enough to handle in the sense of carrying an elite team. He's a 3rd option as we know and he was killing it in that role with Parker in the lineup with him

I agree with you i don't see Middleton as a second option, but there is a large number of Bucks fans who feel that he is. Not saying he is terrible but I see him more as a 3D type player, a third or fourth option; a player in the mode of Wesly Mattews. I think he would do well playing off Jabari and Giannis instead of him being forced to create.

I'm in the Middleton is really **** good camp. With that being said, I'm not sure many, if any, feel like he is a second option on a caliber team so much as they think he could be third or fourth and simultaneously be the 2nd or third best player on that squad.

[Rainwater]

One benefit to Jabari coming back might be Middleton not trying to do so much. I mean, he was at hyper efficiency when he had the MAP lineup. We haven't seen him since then. But he's still a great player. Right now, it seems he's shouldering a huge role that he's not good enough to handle in the sense of carrying an elite team. He's a 3rd option as we know and he was killing it in that role with Parker in the lineup with him

I agree with you i don't see Middleton as a second option, but there is a large number of Bucks fans who feel that he is. Not saying he is terrible but I see him more as a 3D type player, a third or fourth option; a player in the mode of Wesly Mattews. I think he would do well playing off Jabari and Giannis instead of him being forced to create.

I'm in the Middleton is really **** good camp. With that being said, I'm not sure many, if any, feel like he is a second option on a caliber team so much as they think he could be third or fourth and simultaneously be the 2nd or third best player on that squad.

I agree that Middleton is a good player but I disagree and believe that there were quite a few fans who thought he was a legit second option. People were expecting a career year and stating he was a top 5 SG. I maybe assuming, but to be a top 5 shooting guard you have to be better then Butler, Thompson, Harden, Derozan, Beal, and CJ McCollum. And to be better then anyone of these guys you have to be a legit second option.

[Prince12]

I agree with you i don't see Middleton as a second option, but there is a large number of Bucks fans who feel that he is. Not saying he is terrible but I see him more as a 3D type player, a third or fourth option; a player in the mode of Wesly Mattews. I think he would do well playing off Jabari and Giannis instead of him being forced to create.

I'm in the Middleton is really **** good camp. With that being said, I'm not sure many, if any, feel like he is a second option on a caliber team so much as they think he could be third or fourth and simultaneously be the 2nd or third best player on that squad.

I agree that Middleton is a good player but I disagree and believe that there were quite a few fans who thought he was a legit second option. People were expecting a career year and stating he was a top 5 SG. I maybe assuming, but to be a top 5 shooting guard you have to be better then Butler, Thompson, Harden, Derozan, Beal, and CJ McCollum. And to be better then anyone of these guys you have to be a legit second option.

I'm still expecting a career year. I've seen enough Middleton to know he'll bounce back. Frustrating? Hell yeah it is, but he'll be very good again this season.

[Rainwater]

I'm in the Middleton is really **** good camp. With that being said, I'm not sure many, if any, feel like he is a second option on a caliber team so much as they think he could be third or fourth and simultaneously be the 2nd or third best player on that squad.

I agree that Middleton is a good player but I disagree and believe that there were quite a few fans who thought he was a legit second option. People were expecting a career year and stating he was a top 5 SG. I maybe assuming, but to be a top 5 shooting guard you have to be better then Butler, Thompson, Harden, Derozan, Beal, and CJ McCollum. And to be better then anyone of these guys you have to be a legit second option.

I'm still expecting a career year. I've seen enough Middleton to know he'll bounce back. Frustrating? Hell yeah it is, but he'll be very good again this season.

My question is how good? No doubt he is better than what he currently is but are you still expecting a second option, top 5 shooting guard better than those who have been mentioned? At most, I was expecting 18 per game on .450 shooting, 4 ast, 4 rebs, that is what his career has indicated so far. A far cry from a second option but respectable numbers as a third or fouth opition. Were you expecting more?

[skones]

I agree with you i don't see Middleton as a second option, but there is a large number of Bucks fans who feel that he is. Not saying he is terrible but I see him more as a 3D type player, a third or fourth option; a player in the mode of Wesly Mattews. I think he would do well playing off Jabari and Giannis instead of him being forced to create.

I'm in the Middleton is really **** good camp. With that being said, I'm not sure many, if any, feel like he is a second option on a caliber team so much as they think he could be third or fourth and simultaneously be the 2nd or third best player on that squad.

I agree that Middleton is a good player but I disagree and believe that there were quite a few fans who thought he was a legit second option. People were expecting a career year and stating he was a top 5 SG. I maybe assuming, but to be a top 5 shooting guard you have to be better then Butler, Thompson, Harden, Derozan, Beal, and CJ McCollum. And to be better then anyone of these guys you have to be a legit second option.

I put Butler as a SF, and I think you can make a number of cases for Middleton in favor of Derozan. Either way, I think "being a legit second option" to be better than any of them is flat out wrong.

[Prince12]

I agree that Middleton is a good player but I disagree and believe that there were quite a few fans who thought he was a legit second option. People were expecting a career year and stating he was a top 5 SG. I maybe assuming, but to be a top 5 shooting guard you have to be better then Butler, Thompson, Harden, Derozan, Beal, and CJ McCollum. And to be better then anyone of these guys you have to be a legit second option.

I'm still expecting a career year. I've seen enough Middleton to know he'll bounce back. Frustrating? Hell yeah it is, but he'll be very good again this season.

My question is how good? No doubt he is better than what he currently is but are you still expecting a second option, top 5 shooting guard better than those who have been mentioned? At most, I was expecting 18 per game on .450 shooting, 4 ast, 4 rebs, that is what his career has indicated so far. A far cry from a second option but respectable numbers as a third or fouth opition. Were you expecting more?

Yeah I expect him end up over 20ppg and his %'s to revert back to normal numbers. Harden, Klay and Jimmy are hard to argue with. CJ, DD and Beal are up for debate imo.

[Chapter29]

Middleton is not a legit 2nd option. I think the discussion should be is he a 3rd?

[Rainwater]

I'm in the Middleton is really **** good camp. With that being said, I'm not sure many, if any, feel like he is a second option on a caliber team so much as they think he could be third or fourth and simultaneously be the 2nd or third best player on that squad.

I agree that Middleton is a good player but I disagree and believe that there were quite a few fans who thought he was a legit second option. People were expecting a career year and stating he was a top 5 SG. I maybe assuming, but to be a top 5 shooting guard you have to be better then Butler, Thompson, Harden, Derozan, Beal, and CJ McCollum. And to be better then anyone of these guys you have to be a legit second option.

I put Butler as a SF, and I think you can make a number of cases for Middleton in favor of Derozan. Either way, I think "being a legit second option" to be better than any of them is flat out wrong.

We could agree to disagree nothing wrong with that.

[AussieBuck]

A healthy Jabari gives you the second scorer ahead of Middleton which helps Mids concentrate on being a more efficient 18ppg guy.

[AussieBuck]

Brogdon
Snell
Jabari
Middleton
Giannis

If Middleton wants to carry weight make his fat ass guard Blake Griffin.

[Rainwater]

I'm still expecting a career year. I've seen enough Middleton to know he'll bounce back. Frustrating? Hell yeah it is, but he'll be very good again this season.

My question is how good? No doubt he is better than what he currently is but are you still expecting a second option, top 5 shooting guard better than those who have been mentioned? At most, I was expecting 18 per game on .450 shooting, 4 ast, 4 rebs, that is what his career has indicated so far. A far cry from a second option but respectable numbers as a third or fouth opition. Were you expecting more?

Yeah I expect him end up over 20ppg and his %'s to revert back to normal numbers. Harden, Klay and Jimmy are hard to argue with. CJ, DD and Beal are up for debate imo.

I don't understand how CJ, DD, and Beal are not better then Middleton. Discounting the fact their numbers are better than khris, these guys play on teams where they must play at their best or they will lose the game, in the case of DD he might have to be the number 1 guy or they lose. In the case of Middleton, since he plays with Giannis, all he just needs to do is show up and he can't even do that half the time. But we'll see.

[Prince12]

My question is how good? No doubt he is better than what he currently is but are you still expecting a second option, top 5 shooting guard better than those who have been mentioned? At most, I was expecting 18 per game on .450 shooting, 4 ast, 4 rebs, that is what his career has indicated so far. A far cry from a second option but respectable numbers as a third or fouth opition. Were you expecting more?

Yeah I expect him end up over 20ppg and his %'s to revert back to normal numbers. Harden, Klay and Jimmy are hard to argue with. CJ, DD and Beal are up for debate imo.

I don't understand how CJ, DD, and Beal are not better then Middleton. Discounting the fact their numbers are better than khris, these guys play on teams where they must play at their best or they will lose the game, in the case of DD he might have to be the number 1 guy or they lose. In the case of Middleton, since he plays with Giannis, all he just needs to do is show up and can't even do that half the time. But we'll see.

I simply rate the players by who I would want on the team. Middleton for mine can be easily debated to be the best player of those. Again, we'll revisit this in a month or so, I still think Middleton is a top 40 player. Ideally in today's star laden NBA you probably need a second superstar to really contend, he's not that, but he's still very good.

Same for those other guys, you say DD needs to be the number 1 guy a lot of the time. No wonder Toronto isn't anywhere near contending. We will take a step because of Giannis. But that doesn't mean Khris won't be borderline all-star and I still think he's a big shot at getting a birth.

[Rainwater]

Yeah I expect him end up over 20ppg and his %'s to revert back to normal numbers. Harden, Klay and Jimmy are hard to argue with. CJ, DD and Beal are up for debate imo.

I don't understand how CJ, DD, and Beal are not better then Middleton. Discounting the fact their numbers are better than khris, these guys play on teams where they must play at their best or they will lose the game, in the case of DD he might have to be the number 1 guy or they lose. In the case of Middleton, since he plays with Giannis, all he just needs to do is show up and can't even do that half the time. But we'll see.

I simply rate the players by who I would want on the team. Middleton for mine can be easily debated to be the best player of those. Again, we'll revisit this in a month or so, I still think Middleton is a top 40 player. Ideally in today's star laden NBA you probably need a second superstar to really contend, he's not that, but he's still very good.

Same for those other guys, you say DD needs to be the number 1 guy a lot of the time. No wonder Toronto isn't anywhere near contending. We will take a step because of Giannis. But that doesn't mean Khris won't be borderline all-star and I still think he's a big shot at getting a birth.

I completely agree that is why Toronto is not contending, DD is complementary player not lead. If Tor had a guy like Giannis he would be in a better position. But we definitely revisit in a month or so but i don't think that Khris ever becomes an all-star.

[Prince12]

Time will tell, it's an on going key factor to watch. If he ends up where I think he will, we take a bigger jump. If not we could stagnate.

It's a nice debate.

[humanrefutation]

The thing I like about Jabari as a complimentary piece is that he doesn't need to dominate the ball to be effective offensively. He's the kind of player who can play off the ball with a guy like Giannis, with cuts to the basket and catch and shoot jumpers. Frankly, a healthy Jabari is exactly the kind of player that can help revitalize our offense.

His defensive liabilities are absolutely worth critiquing. But I like his offensive game.

[Rainwater]

Time will tell, it's an on going key factor to watch. If he ends up where I think he will, we take a bigger jump. If not we could stagnate.

It's a nice debate.

Completely agree with this statement. I really think how far this team goes depends on how good our second option is. If Middleton does in fact take the leap and become that option, there will be a bigger jump. However, if he can't do it then it falls to Jabari (my chose for second option) and the same rules apply. If he makes the leap, the buck take a jump; if he can't make the leap, the bucks stagnate. Good debate.

[Prince12]

Time will tell, it's an on going key factor to watch. If he ends up where I think he will, we take a bigger jump. If not we could stagnate.

It's a nice debate.

Completely agree with this statement. I really think how far this team goes depends on how good our second option is. If Middleton does in fact take the leap and become that option, there will be a bigger jump. However, if he can't do it then it falls to Jabari (my chose for second option) and the same rules apply. If he makes the leap, the buck take a jump; if he can't make the leap, the bucks stagnate. Good debate.

I'm just looking at Jabari as a bonus. Really trying to look at the bucks currently and in the future as if he's not a part of it and what our options can be.

Would love to see these two together and see how it all fits, just can't bring myself to bank any hopes on what he could bring.

[Rainwater]

Time will tell, it's an on going key factor to watch. If he ends up where I think he will, we take a bigger jump. If not we could stagnate.

It's a nice debate.

Completely agree with this statement. I really think how far this team goes depends on how good our second option is. If Middleton does in fact take the leap and become that option, there will be a bigger jump. However, if he can't do it then it falls to Jabari (my chose for second option) and the same rules apply. If he makes the leap, the buck take a jump; if he can't make the leap, the bucks stagnate. Good debate.

I'm just looking at Jabari as a bonus. Really trying to look at the bucks currently and in the future as if he's not a part of it and what our options can be.

Would love to see these two together and see how it all fits, just can't bring myself to bank any hopes on what he could bring.

Honestly, I think most Bucks fan feel the same way about Jabari.

[Ayt]

Must watch/read video/article from SI!
After watching this I really hope Jabari stays with us and succeed.
Can't wait for his comeback!

The Scars That Shape Jabari Parker

https://www.si.com/nba/2017/10/26/jabari-parker-comeback-milwaukee-bucks-knee-injury

CHL is right. He's 300 pounds.

[AussieBuck]

You know he's really slimmed down this time. Never thought I'd see shirtless Jabari.

Henson's turn next.