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[landoc88]

Just say no to Middleton.

Back to the Future was a fun movie. It’s a bad team building plan.

Middleton making 30+ is obviously crazy at this point, but you are not going to do better than Midds on a vet min salary coming off the bench.

Has anyone even asked the question? Does Middleton even wanna come back to Milwaukee? Maybe he doesnt.

[ShootingtheJ]

he literally was more efficient than portis was last year. again...a guy you cream over.

dont bring up blah blah blah this that from the past blah blah blah. last year.....kuzma ts% was better than portis....end of discussion..... except to say hes not great obviously...but he is playable.

kuzma has his thing and he does it. same with portis. they can get their shots. that gives them BOTH value on this team without jrue, khris, dame, etc. both of them can get their shots in their spots. we need shot creators. the only thing worse than not having shot makers is not even having shot creators. somebody on this team needs the ability to get the ball and....GO!

so if youre going to refuse to acknowledge the one while defending the other you lose credibility. kuzma does have value until we find somebody better. nobody is arguing we need to invest in the guy longterm. we all know thats nuts

I wish what y[b]ou said was true, but it is false.[/b] I gave you the stats a few days ago to show Portis is better than Kuzma and more efficient in almost every category, whether you are looking at last season or for their career.

But now you are zeroing in on just one stat, TS%. So let's look at that. I've already detailed all the other stats a few days ago.

Last season:

Kuzma 51.4%
Portis 54.2%

Of course, one stat is not the issue. Kuzma just isn't very good.

kuzma ts% with us was 54.5%
bobby ts% with us was 54.2%

their eFG% was both 52% on the nose.

those are the numbers that measure efficiency.

those numbers are all ive referenced and im not interested in discussing anything beyond THOSE numbers.

it is a FACT that kuzma was more efficent than bobby was last year as a Buck. its not debateable

my point is simply that they both had value despite their inefficiency. if youre going to counter the argument by talking about kuzmas inefficiency than apply it to your analysis of bobby as well

It's actually not fact because you're excluding playoffs for some reason, and Kuzma had a ghastly 38TS% in the playoffs

[BigO]

he literally was more efficient than portis was last year. again...a guy you cream over.

dont bring up blah blah blah this that from the past blah blah blah. last year.....kuzma ts% was better than portis....end of discussion..... except to say hes not great obviously...but he is playable.

kuzma has his thing and he does it. same with portis. they can get their shots. that gives them BOTH value on this team without jrue, khris, dame, etc. both of them can get their shots in their spots. we need shot creators. the only thing worse than not having shot makers is not even having shot creators. somebody on this team needs the ability to get the ball and....GO!

so if youre going to refuse to acknowledge the one while defending the other you lose credibility. kuzma does have value until we find somebody better. nobody is arguing we need to invest in the guy longterm. we all know thats nuts

I wish what y[b]ou said was true, but it is false.[/b] I gave you the stats a few days ago to show Portis is better than Kuzma and more efficient in almost every category, whether you are looking at last season or for their career.

But now you are zeroing in on just one stat, TS%. So let's look at that. I've already detailed all the other stats a few days ago.

Last season:

Kuzma 51.4%
Portis 54.2%

Of course, one stat is not the issue. Kuzma just isn't very good.

kuzma ts% with us was 54.5%

bobby ts% with us was 54.2%

their eFG% was both 52% on the nose.

those are the numbers that measure efficiency.

those numbers are all ive referenced and im not interested in discussing anything beyond THOSE numbers.

it is a FACT that kuzma was at least as efficent as bobby was last year as a Buck. its not debateable

my point is simply that they both had value despite their inefficiency. if youre going to counter the argument by talking about kuzmas inefficiency than apply it to your analysis of bobby as well

As my grandma would say: "Oy gevalt".

[ReasonablySober]

Who gives a **** when the sample size is so small?

[dedned]

Been watching 2021 finals videos. I have a feeling we're going to win it again this year. Giannis is getting that MVP too.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

I wish what y[b]ou said was true, but it is false.[/b] I gave you the stats a few days ago to show Portis is better than Kuzma and more efficient in almost every category, whether you are looking at last season or for their career.

But now you are zeroing in on just one stat, TS%. So let's look at that. I've already detailed all the other stats a few days ago.

Last season:

Kuzma 51.4%
Portis 54.2%

Of course, one stat is not the issue. Kuzma just isn't very good.

kuzma ts% with us was 54.5%
bobby ts% with us was 54.2%

their eFG% was both 52% on the nose.

those are the numbers that measure efficiency.

those numbers are all ive referenced and im not interested in discussing anything beyond THOSE numbers.

it is a FACT that kuzma was more efficent than bobby was last year as a Buck. its not debateable

my point is simply that they both had value despite their inefficiency. if youre going to counter the argument by talking about kuzmas inefficiency than apply it to your analysis of bobby as well

It's actually not fact because you're excluding playoffs for some reason, and Kuzma had a ghastly 38TS% in the playoffs

im excluding all the things unrelated to the extremely basic simple numbers we all look at to determine efficiency

if youd like like to discuss playoff performance or how clutch he is or the outfits he wears you can direct that part of the discussion elsewhere

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Who gives a **** when the sample size is so small?

of course!!!!! thats my point as to why we shouldnt dump his ass now when his value is at the lowest it will ever be!!

ive suggested the same for kpj. small samples can make for bad decisions.

simply suggesting we wait for a bigger sample before we all slit his throat permanently. good chance we all still will but at least then his contract will make him more moveable into a deal that becomes something thats actually good instead of all this other gross **** thats being proposed we do with him

[raferfenix]

Ya know, we haven't talked at all about non-Kuzma trades since the signings started.

To be fair we have just a couple tradeable contracts, even minimums!

But if we were offering our 2031 first (maybe the 2032 swap too) along with some combo of AJ Green / Tyler Smith / Ajax, any possibility there's a worthwhile deal out there?

I think no but whatever seemed notable at least! Dec. 15 we can re-start the Bobby trade scenarios I believe.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Been watching 2021 finals videos. I have a feeling we're going to win it again this year. Giannis is getting that MVP too.

If Giannis does that, be moves into the dirty dozen for all time rankings

[VooDoo7]

Read on Twitter

This takes me back to when we were doing our rebranding and there were concept logos floating around the net. I still love the design of the top-left logo the best. Even better than the one we chose.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

I think I read Nehm reported that AJJ and Bucks agreed to push back the guaranteed date? We must still be looking if that is true

[stillgotgame]

Hard to believe this board is still debating Kuzma (ok, maybe one or two people). Any minimum guy would be better than Kuzma.

He can't shoot twos or threes, is not a good finisher at the rim, bad free throw shooter and is bad at almost every offensive category. He is consistent, though.

As far as defense, he's below average. If he was the price to pay to get under the cap, then we have to live with it. But no revisionism on the guy. At a minimum salary, he's still awful.

He is a decent rebounder.

he literally was more efficient than portis was last year. again...a guy you cream over.

dont bring up blah blah blah this that from the past blah blah blah. last year.....kuzma ts% was better than portis....end of discussion..... except to say hes not great obviously...but he is playable.

kuzma has his thing and he does it. same with portis. they can get their shots. that gives them BOTH value on this team without jrue, khris, dame, etc. both of them can get their shots in their spots. we need shot creators. the only thing worse than not having shot makers is not even having shot creators. somebody on this team needs the ability to get the ball and....GO!

so if youre going to refuse to acknowledge the one while defending the other you lose credibility. kuzma does have value until we find somebody better. nobody is arguing we need to invest in the guy longterm. we all know thats nuts

I wish what y[b]ou said was true, but it is false.[/b] I gave you the stats a few days ago to show Portis is better than Kuzma and more efficient in almost every category, whether you are looking at last season or for their career.

But now you are zeroing in on just one stat, TS%. So let's look at that. I've already detailed all the other stats a few days ago.

Last season:

Kuzma 51.4%
Portis 54.2%

Of course, one stat is not the issue. Kuzma just isn't very good.

Kuzma was 54.5% TS with us.
Your obvious dislike for Kuzma is annoying to read over and over again. Any parrot can read stats, how about some actual knowledge or insight?

I liked the energy Kuzma brought on defense when he first joined the Bucks. He’s clearly been just coasting playing for the Wizards the last 3-4 years. Maybe he turns it around this year.
We won’t know anyways with Doc as coach.

[BigO]

he literally was more efficient than portis was last year. again...a guy you cream over.

dont bring up blah blah blah this that from the past blah blah blah. last year.....kuzma ts% was better than portis....end of discussion..... except to say hes not great obviously...but he is playable.

kuzma has his thing and he does it. same with portis. they can get their shots. that gives them BOTH value on this team without jrue, khris, dame, etc. both of them can get their shots in their spots. we need shot creators. the only thing worse than not having shot makers is not even having shot creators. somebody on this team needs the ability to get the ball and....GO!

so if youre going to refuse to acknowledge the one while defending the other you lose credibility. kuzma does have value until we find somebody better. nobody is arguing we need to invest in the guy longterm. we all know thats nuts

I wish what y[b]ou said was true, but it is false.[/b] I gave you the stats a few days ago to show Portis is better than Kuzma and more efficient in almost every category, whether you are looking at last season or for their career.

But now you are zeroing in on just one stat, TS%. So let's look at that. I've already detailed all the other stats a few days ago.

Last season:

Kuzma 51.4%
Portis 54.2%

Of course, one stat is not the issue. Kuzma just isn't very good.

Kuzma was 54.5% TS with us.
Your obvious dislike for Kuzma is annoying to read over and over again. Any parrot can read stats, how about some actual knowledge or insight?

I liked the energy Kuzma brought on defense when he first joined the Bucks. He’s clearly been just coasting playing for the Wizards the last 3-4 years. Maybe he turns it around this year.
We won’t know anyways with Doc as coach.

My analysis of Kuzma has gone way beyond citing stats. I won't repeat it.

If you watched Kuzma with the Bucks and liked what you saw, God bless you. Let's agree to disagree.

[drone3]

If kuzma hits his corner 3s at a high rate and rebounds like Rodman he turns into an asset

[Badgerlander]

Call me crazy, but:

All perimeter minutes to Porter, Green, Trent, IQ, Rollins.

All big minutes to Giannis, Turner, Portis.

That's a playoff rotation, and a unique one that nobody's really set up to deal with. We'd have a real chance.

Feels weak on wing defense. Turner and Portis are somewhat unplayable against small ball lineups, so if Giannis picks up cheap fouls running over their children then we are tiny or diving into our lack of depth.

[GoldenAntlers]

Been watching 2021 finals videos. I have a feeling we're going to win it again this year. Giannis is getting that MVP too.

I have never bet on sports, but I was thinking about betting on that earlier today.

[raferfenix]

As we discuss Kuzma, let's remember he's the only sizable contract we have this offeason that we could trade (Giannis aside).

[MickeyDavis]

Been watching 2021 finals videos. I have a feeling we're going to win it again this year. Giannis is getting that MVP too.

I have never bet on sports, but I was thinking about betting on that earlier today.

He's tied with Victor at 10-1. Ahead of him are Jokic 2-1, SGA 2.75-1 and Luka 6-1

Bucks wins O/U is 43.5, same as Boston.

[dedned]

Been watching 2021 finals videos. I have a feeling we're going to win it again this year. Giannis is getting that MVP too.

I have never bet on sports, but I was thinking about betting on that earlier today.

He's tied with Victor at 10-1. Ahead of him are Jokic 2-1, SGA 2.75-1 and Luka 6-1

Bucks wins O/U is 43.5, same as Boston.

Giannis got that fire. One more year one more level.

[Baddy Chuck]

Been watching 2021 finals videos. I have a feeling we're going to win it again this year. Giannis is getting that MVP too.

I have never bet on sports, but I was thinking about betting on that earlier today.

He's tied with Victor at 10-1. Ahead of him are Jokic 2-1, SGA 2.75-1 and Luka 6-1

Bucks wins O/U is 43.5, same as Boston.

Hmm I saw 45.5 the other day and almost put some down.