Giannis Thread - On Asking for a Trade - "I am not this kind of guy, they would have to kick me out”.

[Magic Giannison]

LOL, LMAO even.

Once more mister data analysts are wrong.

He also conveniently excluded Lebron from that data

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[Milbucks96]

Looking at the new tweet from him today he seems to be obsessed with this age curve thing that basically states getting old sucks in fancy words. Giannis probably isn’t going to be as good in 2-3 years but that’s not really a thing to be concerned about as a bucks fan anyway.

He seems to be saying Giannis’s effectiveness is waning and is going to plummet because he’s relies on athleticism, when it’s really that Giannis doesn’t care to play hard on defense during the regular season anymore. That’s a conversation that can be had but I don’t think those curves are accurately predicting anything unless I’m missing something.

[German Athens]

Yeah, I think Giannis is a better player than ever, and this is where plus minus stats just come short. They can’t actually track for effort.

It’s measuring regular season impact, not ability.

2019 and 2020 his stats were absurd (highest or second highest Lebron ever), but Giannis is so much more refined now.

I think it was Emunney who mentioned that Giannis used to be drive left, spin right on a majority of his drives. Now we’re seeing him put centers on skates with hesi’s, lull defenses to sleep by slowing it down and then hitting them with a quick baseline spin, watching him change the length and cadence of his euro.

Giannis had mentioned a few years back how Lebron and KD kept getting better in their 30’s and he’s right. If you just stared at regular season stats , you’d say 2009 Lebron was the best, but Miami Lebron was better than first stint Cleveland, and second stint Cleveland was better than first stint Cleveland.

He got smarter and became more refined. He kept improving.


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[Ron Swanson]

The tell in that incredibly dumb tweet is that he's comparing Giannis to dudes like Dwight Howard and DeAndre **** Jordan lol. Like, we're a full decade into his career and you still have these kinds of morons trying to act like Giannis isn't one of the most skilled 7-footers the league has ever seen. Their dumb opinions should be ignored.

[dbrodz7]

He'll still be an all-star level center if his athleticism drops off. By that point he won't be fighting the position change either.

[Magic Giannison]

The agenda against Giannis is insane, people who obviously don't even watch him use only stats out of context trying to discredit him.

I dont understand, whats the point ?

[ReasonablySober]

Drop this mind-blowing stat in your group chat

The Bucks are finally playing good basketball, and their superstar centerpiece is a huge reason why. Two-time MVP Giannis Antetokounmpo is leading the NBA in scoring (32.9 points), averaging more points than Zach LaVine, James Harden, Ja Morant or Trae Young this season. You’re probably thinking: “Well duh, Zach, he’s the league’s leading scorer.” And you’d be correct! However, I’m not talking about overall scoring. This is the stat that is currently blowing my mind:

Antetokounmpo is averaging 22.1 points per game just in the paint! His points-in-the-paint-average would rank 33rd in the league this season in overall scoring. Anthony Davis and Nikola Jokić are second in the league at 16.9 points in the paint. This led me to wonder about the last time a player averaged this many points in the paint …

So, I logged on to NBA.com/stats and started scrolling. And scrolling. AND SCROLLING!

Antetokounmpo did average 20.3 PITP last season, but that’s not a fun trivia answer, and it’s not 22.1! Zion Williamson had 20.3 PITP per game in 2020-21, but that’s not matching Antetokounmpo this season. Shaquille O’Neal averaged 19.6 PITP per game in 2002-03, but we’re still not there. He posted 20.1 in 2001-02.

And we finally found it! In the 1999-2000 season, Shaq averaged 22.5 points in the paint per game. So, Antetokounmpo is literally challenging MVP Shaq for points in the paint dominance. That’s silly.

[MickeyDavis]

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[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

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I don't have more than the eye test to back this up but his defense seems a lot better. a lot more active swatting shots to the point where he's becoming a deterrent again

[rilamann]

Giannis: Putting up historically insane numbers.

NBA: We currently have Giannis 7th on our MVP ladder.


Ok, I am being a bit hyperbolic, last I saw he's actually like 3rd. But you guys get my point.

[rilamann]

I actually just checked the current MVP ladder and Giannis is 4th.

Giannis is 4th putting up 32/12/6.

Tatum is 2nd putting up 28/8/6.

[ReasonablySober]

Giannis: Putting up historically insane numbers.

NBA: We currently have Giannis 7th on our MVP ladder.


Ok, I am being a bit hyperbolic, last I saw he's actually like 3rd. But you guys get my point.

I just looked at NBA.com's updated rankings. He's 4th, behind Jokic, Tatum, and Davis.

Not gonna lie, the rankings are a little confusing. Like if you want to say that Jokic's numbers are so absurd that he has to be #1 then I get it. He'd be my #1. But his team is also #9 in the West. In Giannis's blurb they write:

The schedule gets easier; between now and Jan. 10, Milwaukee only has two games against teams (Boston and Cleveland) currently with a winning record. If the Bucks keep surging, their win-loss record won’t be held against Giannis anymore.

Obviously Denver's record isn't being held against Jokic. He's #1. But it's being held against Giannis? It's honestly a dumb thing to worry about right now, but still a little annoying.

[blazza18]

Through no fault of his own Jokic has kinda melted people’s brains the past few years.

[Dick Tate]

The media driven "Tatum Revenge Tour"

[Prez]

I've pretty much accepted that they will bend any logic/criteria they have to in order to favor Jokic, even if it directly contradicts the criteria followed the previous year or the year prior. It's just going to happen. He's a basketball media darling the likes of which we haven't seen in a long time, and it's even worse on the especially nerdy side of basketball media. It's frustrating because he truly is an otherworldly player in his own right, he doesn't need the extra boost.

Davis being above Giannis in the MVP race is really funny though, and I get that it's entirely the LA/Lakers bias there.

Giannis is putting up 33/12/6 on to Davis' 29/12/3, both on 63% TS. PER, BPM, WS/48...Giannis has the edge across the board. Lakers are 18th in SRS, Bucks are 13th even with their horrific start.

[emunney]

Giannis: Putting up historically insane numbers.

NBA: We currently have Giannis 7th on our MVP ladder.


Ok, I am being a bit hyperbolic, last I saw he's actually like 3rd. But you guys get my point.

He's 4th and there's a note in AD's profile about Giannis coming for him. AD is 3rd. The Lakers are 12-8. Nuggets are 10-8. Giannis' write-up mentions the Bucks' record being held against him. I guess it's that one extra loss.

[emunney]

I've pretty much accepted that they will bend any logic/criteria they have to in order to favor Jokic, even if it directly contradicts the criteria followed the previous year or the year prior. It's just going to happen. He's a basketball media darling the likes of which we haven't seen in a long time, and it's even worse on the especially nerdy side of basketball media. It's frustrating because he truly is an otherworldly player in his own right, he doesn't need the extra boost.

Davis being above Giannis in the MVP race is really funny though, and I get that it's entirely the LA/Lakers bias there.

Giannis is putting up 33/12/6 on to Davis' 29/12/3, both on 63% TS. PER, BPM, WS/48...Giannis has the edge across the board. Lakers are 18th in SRS, Bucks are 13th even with their horrific start.

Yeah, AD shouldn't be on the list. The Lakers have been lucky to win 12 so far and I doubt they finish .500. They just beat Utah by 1 after losing 4 of 5 including 2 blowouts.

[chonestown]

I have Giannis 8th
1) Jokic
2) The guy who smokes and eats donuts, complains to the refs alot
3) Kobe
4) Jokic cannot overstate the season he's having
5) Tall French guy who isn't a disease superspreader
6) Lebaron James who's he's doing at his age (57? 43? 18?) deserves merit
7) Giannis
8) Mahomes

[rilamann]

Giannis: Putting up historically insane numbers.

NBA: We currently have Giannis 7th on our MVP ladder.


Ok, I am being a bit hyperbolic, last I saw he's actually like 3rd. But you guys get my point.

I just looked at NBA.com's updated rankings. He's 4th, behind Jokic, Tatum, and Davis.

Not gonna lie, the rankings are a little confusing. Like if you want to say that Jokic's numbers are so absurd that he has to be #1 then I get it. He'd be my #1. But his team is also #9 in the West. In Giannis's blurb they write:

The schedule gets easier; between now and Jan. 10, Milwaukee only has two games against teams (Boston and Cleveland) currently with a winning record. If the Bucks keep surging, their win-loss record won’t be held against Giannis anymore.

Obviously Denver's record isn't being held against Jokic. He's #1. But it's being held against Giannis? It's honestly a dumb thing to worry about right now, but still a little annoying.

I agree that if Joker is #1. Then Giannis at worst has to be #2.

I am ok with Joker being #1, but I take issue with Giannis being behind Tatum and AD. Of course the two guys questionably ahead of Giannis play for....wait for it...... the Celtics and Lakers. Big shocker.

Like you said, kind of a dumb thing to worry about on December 2, but still annoying.

I feel like the only way Giannis wins his 3rd MVP is if he statistically blows whoever is #2 out of the water while the Bucks also have at least the best record in the east. Even if Giannis blows everyone away statistically, they probably wouldn't give it to him if the Bucks have the 3rd best record in the east. But guys like Joker, Tatum and AD wouldn't be held to that same standard. Like if AD blew everyone away statistically, but the Lakers finished 7th in the west, I have no doubt they would still give MVP to AD.

[BUCKnation]

AD always has 1 or 2 stretches per season that are like the start of this season for him. He's been extremely average the last few weeks with multiple below 20 point games, including tonight.