Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Rollins Back, 3/$12 million

[Turk Nowitzki]

Would you have traded a healthy Dame for Turner this offseason?

the real question is: Is Turner better then any player the Bucks could have gotten in a Dame trade?

100% yes imo

Best case we would've gotten worse players and maybe an okay pick or two for healthy Dame.

[emunney]

For guys like Bobby and Turner, I wonder if not having to play against Giannis is a selling point. One of the most shocking parts of getting Turner is that he seemed to have more personal animus for Giannis than almost anybody in the league.

[Iheartfootball]

After reflection over the moves thus far…

I know we are concerned about wings and PGs but his have we addressed our collective BBIQ? I don’t think the team is any more intelligent or confident after these moves which you can’t account for statistically but we know is true.

That will be what holds them back imo. It starts there. Indy wasn’t lore talented than anyone rose but they were smart and confident. Took them to the NBA Finals.

Unfortunately, that starts and ends with Giannis. Not high bb iq. Is what it is and we were able to grind out a championship one time. Not sure we will be able to again.

I disagree with the bolded. Giannis has so many strengths and this is a team & organization, not a singular problem to solve. It starts with ownership, then the front office, then the staff, then the players. You can do top down or bottom up, or better yet, both concurrently. Surround him with more high-IQ role players, find a coach that really gets Giannis and can coach, same with the staff. We can't change ownership but we can improve the odds that this team is successful with some minor tweaks. Not promising a ring, but definitely wouldn't rule it out. However, I don't see a willingness to make those kind of moves. Horst is great at certain parts of his job, but he's not great at drafting, they don't have a development system for young players, there is not coaching succession plan (that I can see). These are the kind of things you need in a successful modern NBA organization.

Team as-is though? They'll be fun, win games, but I'd bet anyone that they won't win another chip.

[Bernman]

The same person who told me all of those "nuggets" told me Dame's wife would have moved the family to Miami had he been traded there. I know many of you blindly hate the man for "reasons" but if you can't see the difference between living in the same city as your young children and living across the country, I guess you just aren't parents yet. But to continue to bash the guy for this stale ass "gotcha" is incredibly lame.

Eh, it's all part of the package with Dame even if some specifics are off by a few degrees. The guy simply didn't want to play here and it showed on and off the court.

On that same note this is why we're terribly spoiled with Giannis. So many other NBA superstars would have been all over NY, LA, Miami the minute that rookie contract was up. Some of the newer Bucks fans never lived through the eras where Todd Day, YI and even Capt. Jack would threaten holdouts to not come to Milwaukee.

Don't forget Brandon Jennings. Amazing how much he's rehabbed his image here to become a mascot for the team.

It's a new era indeed. Now we get arguably the most coveted FA out there. Even Monroe was a recruiting score. Chose us over big markets.

I remember an SI survey of players on their opinions of destinations. Toronto was the very worst. Milwaukee was among the lowest, but an unnamed player caveated, "it's nothing 50-win seasons wouldn't fix".

It wouldn't fix it for Dame, even though the Bucks were on his extended list of acceptable destinations after Miami. He could have been dismayed by his off the court situation, while still being a professional on the court, & realizing this was last chance to obtain a championship/winning legacy.

[paulpressey25]

For guys like Bobby and Turner, I wonder if not having to play against Giannis is a selling point. One of the most shocking parts of getting Turner is that he seemed to have more personal animus for Giannis than almost anybody in the league.

Praise our owners. We'll never have anything like them again. They know the Giannis era is special and go all in.

Indy basically gave up one of the cornerstones of a Finals team literally a week later over paying a guy an extra $3 to $5 million a year.

[Frank Nova]

For guys like Bobby and Turner, I wonder if not having to play against Giannis is a selling point. One of the most shocking parts of getting Turner is that he seemed to have more personal animus for Giannis than almost anybody in the league.

I’m sure it’s part of the intrigue. Reports are Indiana low balled Turner and damaged the relationship. It would make sense if someone from the team/franchise had info on the situation and fed it to Horst to strike when the iron got hot, insert Giannis recruiting. I’m sure it was an easy sell tho for Turner - “we’ve got your money, you get to team up with Giannis instead of get abused by him 4+ times a year and you’re replacing a floor stretching shot blocker that won a title with Giannis and is headed to the hall when he’s done. Sign here”.

[soxperry]

Russillo gets it. He’s been the one guy who basically came out and said Lopez was brutal and Turner is a massive upgrade.

Seemingly the only pundit who actually watched the Bucks play basketball.

Was he on a pod recently? I thought his came out before the turner deal

[paulpressey25]

Russillo gets it. He’s been the one guy who basically came out and said Lopez was brutal and Turner is a massive upgrade.

Seemingly the only pundit who actually watched the Bucks play basketball.

Was he on a pod recently? I thought his came out before the turner deal

He did his pod yesterday. Said it was a good move for the Bucks given where they were at. Said Brook is 8 years older than Turner and while Turner isn't a great player, he's damn good.

[Bernman]

For guys like Bobby and Turner, I wonder if not having to play against Giannis is a selling point. One of the most shocking parts of getting Turner is that he seemed to have more personal animus for Giannis than almost anybody in the league.

Praise our owners. We'll never have anything like them again. They know the Giannis era is special and go all in.

Indy basically gave up one of the cornerstones of a Finals team literally a week later over paying a guy an extra $3 to $5 million a year.

Giannis can never complain this group won't try everything in their power to make it work and appease him, no matter what the corporate media claimed. The Bucks are damned if they do, damned if they don't.

This isn't Marc Lasry compelling us to lose Donte because he doesn't want to pay a little luxury tax. That's not to say some of the moves may not be short-sighted, reckless, & fiscally irresponsible. Time well tell on Turner. Again, didn't work out w/ Dame.

[Ron Swanson]

Credit Horst for always aggressively pursuing and acquiring players who were disgruntled in their respective situations (Bledsoe, Dame, Turner). This could all backfire spectacularly, but a lot of the league seemingly had no idea how far off the Turner-Indy front office relationship was on contract numbers while we were working behind the scenes. That was key to avoid a bidding war because I can't imagine that other teams wouldn't have been trying to clear some space if they thought Turner could be had for 4-yrs $107 million.

[machu46]

Russillo gets it. He’s been the one guy who basically came out and said Lopez was brutal and Turner is a massive upgrade.

Seemingly the only pundit who actually watched the Bucks play basketball.

Was he on a pod recently? I thought his came out before the turner deal

Think it just came out today. Talks about it at the beginning of the episode before moving on to the Scottish brothers that are rowing a boat across the Pacific Ocean.

[machu46]

What's Josh Giddey looking to get in RFA? Chicago should S&T him to us for Kuz

My Twitter feed thinks I'm a Bulls fan so I get a lot of tweets about them...the reports are he'll re-sign around $30 million per year.

[Rstuedes24]

Giddey is really good, Kuzma is really bad

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Paul's gonna be 41-years old by the time the playoffs roll around next year. I've pined for the dude in the past, and it's actually pretty remarkable that he played in all 82-games last year, but we really need to look elsewhere. Also, **** Chris Paul.

He’d be the best PG we could get for free. I say bury the hatchet and recruit him Giannis.

If you keep swearing by the idea that Dame hated it here, then imagine how much Chris Paul would hate playing for Doc Rivers in the city of Milwaukee lol. He was the move 5-years ago, but he just can't move laterally anymore. We really can't be a Kevin Porter offseason incident and indefinite suspension away from 40-year Chris Paul being our starting PG.

The issue is who is better at this point...
"indefinite suspension away from Ryan Rollins being our starting PG."
"indefinite suspension away from a ticking time bomb Dante Exum being our starting PG."

Replacing those names don;t make me feel any better. I don't disagree I would want someone better, but who is a realistic option.

[KidA24]

Paul's gonna be 41-years old by the time the playoffs roll around next year. I've pined for the dude in the past, and it's actually pretty remarkable that he played in all 82-games last year, but we really need to look elsewhere. Also, **** Chris Paul.

He’d be the best PG we could get for free. I say bury the hatchet and recruit him Giannis.

Does Doc also have a hatchet? (No idea, but could see them having beef)

He's ready for anything. Storm coming? Hatchet coming.

[drew881]

For guys like Bobby and Turner, I wonder if not having to play against Giannis is a selling point. One of the most shocking parts of getting Turner is that he seemed to have more personal animus for Giannis than almost anybody in the league.

I’m sure it’s part of the intrigue. Reports are Indiana low balled Turner and damaged the relationship. It would make sense if someone from the team/franchise had info on the situation and fed it to Horst to strike when the iron got hot, insert Giannis recruiting. I’m sure it was an easy sell tho for Turner - “we’ve got your money, you get to team up with Giannis instead of get abused by him 4+ times a year and you’re replacing a floor stretching shot blocker that won a title with Giannis and is headed to the hall when he’s done. Sign here”.

They tried to sign Ayton a few years ago too. Probably didn’t help much.

[ReddRum]

For guys like Bobby and Turner, I wonder if not having to play against Giannis is a selling point. One of the most shocking parts of getting Turner is that he seemed to have more personal animus for Giannis than almost anybody in the league.

Praise our owners. We'll never have anything like them again. They know the Giannis era is special and go all in.

Indy basically gave up one of the cornerstones of a Finals team literally a week later over paying a guy an extra $3 to $5 million a year.

Yeah this is baffling to me. Hate to see Haliburton get hurt but not gonna lie I hate Indy primarily b/c of his attitude and unearned swag. So when I heard we got Turner I was thrilled. Just unreal they were literally one play away from a an NBA title and now 2 of their top 3 best players are out for a full year / traded to a rival. just absolutely brutal if you are an Indy fan.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Yeah because these aren't even remotely the same things lol. Look, you guys can't sugarcoat/handwave the lighting of 15% of the salary cap on fire for the next 5-years with no avenues to get off that money. We did that. I'm saying you can easily rationalize it anyways because you essentially just acquired a really good player with salary gymnastics and no tradeable assets burned. We waived and stretched Dame for the explicit purpose of signing Turner. They're directly related moves.

I agree on the second year. Maybe we could have traded Dame next off-season and pay someone cash+2031 to take Dames salary. But the alternative was setting 33% of the cap on fire this off-season and that isn't Turners fault, it was just Dame tearing his Achilles. We didnt really have an avenue to get ride of this year's salary.

We traded 15% cap in years 3-5 for 15% cap this year and next while keeping our assets in tack.

[JBucks]

Haven't posted since news. What a coup. Turner should be really good next to Giannis. Whole concept of gap year and throwing away a season during Giannis' prime never made sense. Now that they're in for a penny they better be in for a pound. Get rid of Kuzma and add ball handling, shot creation, scoring.

[Licensed to Il]

Isn't the cap about to take a big leap again with the new rights deal? The $20M per year for the stretch might not seem so bad in that scenario.

I understand the logic. But salaries are also going to go up, of which we have less to use to pay them. So there is truth to 20 mil not being as much as most thing. But also truth to this being an impactful aspect of our roster building for the next five years. The need/solution of course, is that we're going to have to find a few low cost guys that can contribute, throughout these next 5 years. And its not something the organization has been great at.