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LUKE23 · Post #61 » by **LUKE23** » Sat Apr 12, 2014 2:22 pm

GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:sanders is a marginally net positive player when you count is impact on both sides of the floor. you cant talk about his defense without spending equal amounts of time on his offense.

that's not to mention the likelihood he ends up in prison at some point in his prime.

Lol at prison.

Agreed on his offense, at least this year. He's still a net positive given his defense is elite. Henson has nothing to hang his hat on. We were worse on both sides of the ball with Henson on the court this year, and that's with the competition being Zaza, Ersan's corpse, Raduljica, and Udoh. And the team defense with Henson on court was unreal terrible. 114.3 points/100.

LUKE23 · Post #62 » by **LUKE23** » Sat Apr 12, 2014 2:24 pm

GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:
or that Henson becomes a net positive defender at some point....which of course is likely

We will see on that. He's been awful so far.

GHOSTofSIKMA · Post #63 » by **GHOSTofSIKMA** » Sat Apr 12, 2014 2:29 pm

LUKE23 wrote:
GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:sanders is a marginally net positive player when you count is impact on both sides of the floor. you cant talk about his defense without spending equal amounts of time on his offense.

that's not to mention the likelihood he ends up in prison at some point in his prime.

Lol at prison.

Agreed on his offense, at least this year. He's still a net positive given his defense is elite. Henson has nothing to hang his hat on. We were worse on both sides of the ball with Henson on the court this year, and that's with the competition being Zaza, Ersan's corpse, Raduljica, and Udoh. And the team defense with Henson on court was unreal terrible. 114.3 points/100.

making much of this year on the court is almost pointless. not completely... but almost. the point of the thread is why hes in the doghouse. hensons a good kid with a load of defensive upside. cv's college game was exactly his nba game. Henson on the other side was arguably a top5 defensive player in the entire college ranks before he was drafted.

lets talk more about how he did his rookie year compared to what happened this year in terms of environment.... not talent. lets spend time talking about how we tap his potential instead of punting him to a different team that develops him into a 10 year starter with a positive impact on both sides of the floor.

LUKE23 · Post #64 » by **LUKE23** » Sat Apr 12, 2014 2:32 pm

I'm not ready to punt him, I just don't view him as a big time core piece either. I'd only trade him in the right deal but I'd definitely move him. I need to see him change his body and show he has the intensity to be a full time team defender.

randy84 · Post #65 » by **randy84** » Sat Apr 12, 2014 2:44 pm

I find it completely Kohl-esque to want to try and trade 2nd yr players. How about we give them some time to develop.

They are cheap.

I would rather pay Henson $1.9 million to be a backup C/PF, than Zaza $5 million to be a backup.

GHOSTofSIKMA · Post #66 » by **GHOSTofSIKMA** » Sat Apr 12, 2014 2:48 pm

LUKE23 wrote:I'm not ready to punt him, I just don't view him as a big time core piece either. I'd only trade him in the right deal but I'd definitely move him. I need to see him change his body and show he has the intensity to be a full time team defender.

lets dump his goofy stoner wingman to open up minutes. get a young egghead coach. challenge him with 35 minutes a game like we did with knight. and then lets decide.

LUKE23 · Post #67 » by **LUKE23** » Sat Apr 12, 2014 2:51 pm

Trading Sanders now would be beyond dumb. And I know you agree deep down. I agree with playing Henson 35 minutes. That can happen while keeping Sanders though.

GHOSTofSIKMA · Post #68 » by **GHOSTofSIKMA** » Sat Apr 12, 2014 2:59 pm

LUKE23 wrote:Trading Sanders now would be beyond dumb. And I know you agree deep down. I agree with playing Henson 35 minutes. That can happen while keeping Sanders though.

larry sanders is one of my 5 least liked players in the league man. deep down I dislike him more than I let on here. I temper my remarks in order to not sound so much like a troll with him. i'll continue to drop hints about dumping him here and there because I cant help it..... but I promise not to harp on it too much for the sake of the rest of the board either.

randy84 · Post #69 » by **randy84** » Sat Apr 12, 2014 3:06 pm

Henson this year when he has played 30 mins or more in a game:

15.2 pts, 9.5 rebs., 2.4 assists, 2.2 blks, .063 steals.

I would take that out of a 2nd year player.

GHOSTofSIKMA · Post #70 » by **GHOSTofSIKMA** » Sat Apr 12, 2014 3:10 pm

randy84 wrote:Henson this year when he has played 30 mins or more in a game:

15.2 pts, 9.5 rebs., 2.4 assists, 2.2 blks, .063 steals.

I would take that out of a 2nd year player.

this board talks about Henson the way skiles did about tobias. its a little surreal.

LUKE23 · Post #71 » by **LUKE23** » Sat Apr 12, 2014 3:14 pm

I think the debate is raw stats vs. on court impact. It's similar to the debate many have had on Julius Randle once he gets to the pros. Regarding Harris, the lament there was always the trade more than people thinking he's a future super star. We traded a young prospect with quite a bit of offensive potential for a rental, something I would obviously never advocate with Henson.

I haven't given up on Henson. I may be off on this, but he just doesn't seem to play that hard. That's my biggest concern at the moment with him.

MrPerfect1 · Post #72 » by **MrPerfect1** » Sat Apr 12, 2014 3:14 pm

GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:
LUKE23 wrote:Trading Sanders now would be beyond dumb. And I know you agree deep down. I agree with playing Henson 35 minutes. That can happen while keeping Sanders though.

larry sanders is one of my 5 least liked players in the league man. deep down I dislike him more than I let on here. I temper my remarks in order to not sound so much like a troll with him. i'll continue to drop hints about dumping him here and there because I cant help it..... but I promise not to harp on it too much for the sake of the rest of the board either.

Sanders should barely even be Top 5 Disliked Bucks this Year:

Top 4 Least Likable Bucks this Year:
-----------------------------------------
-Mayo (Fat)
-Neal (Chucker, Ignored Giannis)
-Ridnour (Terrible, Ignored Giannis)
-Butler (Terrible, Delusional about his Ability)

5th Place would probably be competition between Ersan and Sanders

That is not even factoring in non Bucks like:

-Jennings
-Josh Smith
-JR Smith
-Andrew Bynum!!!!
etc

If the Drug charges are an issue, I raise you a Raymond Felton

randy84 · Post #73 » by **randy84** » Sat Apr 12, 2014 3:15 pm

GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:
randy84 wrote:Henson this year when he has played 30 mins or more in a game:

15.2 pts, 9.5 rebs., 2.4 assists, 2.2 blks, .063 steals.

I would take that out of a 2nd year player.

this board talks about Henson the way skiles did about tobias. its a little surreal.

I agree. I just pulled up past posts about Larry, Tobias and Henson. And it is all the same arguments.

Larry was too skinny and couldn't catch the ball. Tobias couldn't play defense and had slow feet. Henson isn't tough enough. Yada yada yada...

Cry for the Bucks to trade these guys, then complain that the Bucks don't ever develop their talent.

LUKE23 · Post #74 » by **LUKE23** » Sat Apr 12, 2014 3:16 pm

Is there anyone advocating trading Henson for anything other than picks or comparable young talent? I don't see any.

randy84 · Post #75 » by **randy84** » Sat Apr 12, 2014 3:20 pm

LUKE23 wrote:I think the debate is raw stats vs. on court impact. It's similar to the debate many have had on Julius Randle once he gets to the pros. Regarding Harris, the lament there was always the trade more than people thinking he's a future super star. We traded a young prospect with quite a bit of offensive potential for a rental, something I would obviously never advocate with Henson.

I haven't given up on Henson. I may be off on this, but he just doesn't seem to play that hard. That's my biggest concern at the moment with him.

I agree that it doesn't look like he plays hard. And I agree that it is a concern. But the only guys on the team that are still trying hard are the two guys that are in contract years (Session and Adrien) and Knight who Drew made the focal point of the offense.

At least Henson hasn't gone Gary Neal or OJ Mayo.

randy84 · Post #76 » by **randy84** » Sat Apr 12, 2014 3:22 pm

LUKE23 wrote:Is there anyone advocating trading Henson for anything other than picks or comparable young talent? I don't see any.

I guess it depends on how you view a mid to late first rd. pick. That is what I have heard the most.

How many mid to late first rd. picks make it as even a backup in the league?

GHOSTofSIKMA · Post #77 » by **GHOSTofSIKMA** » Sat Apr 12, 2014 3:26 pm

LUKE23 wrote:Is there anyone advocating trading Henson for anything other than picks or comparable young talent? I don't see any.

I have grave concerns about giannis not living up to expectations... especially offensively.

in order to not sound like a moron im going to continue not floating the idea of trading him for "comparable young talent before the rest of the league catches on".

or would it be ok to start floating the idea next year when the honeymoon is over?

or how about just playing the hell out of him with a good coach for 3-4 years and then taking what we get. what ever happened to that?

LUKE23 · Post #78 » by **LUKE23** » Sat Apr 12, 2014 3:29 pm

I don't see it as comparable situations. Giannis plays his ass off and is four years younger, already showing ridiculous smarts to go with obvious freak measureables. The only way you have concern with Giannis is if you're expecting him to be a stud scorer. That might not be his game. But he's wired differently than Henson. I'll be stunned if we're having this debate when Giannis is 23.

randy84 · Post #79 » by **randy84** » Sat Apr 12, 2014 3:33 pm

In all honesty. Next year I would like to see a team of

Sanders, Henson, Giannis, Middleton, Wolters, Knight, draft pick. Then top off the roster by signing a couple of D-League guys.

This and a coaching change would make me happy.

GHOSTofSIKMA · Post #80 » by **GHOSTofSIKMA** » Sat Apr 12, 2014 3:42 pm

randy84 wrote:In all honesty. Next year I would like to see a team of

Sanders, Henson, Giannis, Middleton, Wolters, Knight, draft pick. Then top off the roster by signing a couple of D-League guys.

This and a coaching change would make me happy.

yep. and I wouldn't even mind some sessions and adrien type guys either. just so long as they aren't playing 35-40 mpg