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[Baddy Chuck]

Tony Snell benefited a ton from playing the Thabo Sefolosha/Brandon Rush role when it comes to efficiency.

[Chuck Diesel]

Tony Snell benefited a ton from playing the Thabo Sefolosha off of Durant/Westbrook offensive role.

I think you have to be smart/self aware enough make yourself a good fit though. Not everyone can do that.

[Baddy Chuck]

Tony Snell benefited a ton from playing the Thabo Sefolosha off of Durant/Westbrook offensive role.

I think you have to be smart/self aware enough make yourself a good fit though. Not everyone can do that.

Sure, I'll agree with that. But I also think it helps when you're probably closer to James Jones skill wise than Arron Afflalo or something.

[trwi7]

Snell shot 45% from three in 2017

Or, you know, 40.6%, which really isn't that far from McLemore's 38.2% and let's not forget that Snell's highest 3 point% before this year was 37.1% and his highest FG% 42.9. McLemore eclipsed both of those numbers this year.

Your reading comprehension sucks.

So why are you only putting in like a half a season? I'm sure if you took away the time every player sucked ass at shooting they would all look pretty good.

I'm sure if you made Snell nearly double his usage and not take open 3s on passes from Giannis he wouldn't look very good either.

Or if McLemore got to play with Giannis and get a ton of open shots like Snell did.

Percentage of shots by distance of closest defender

0-2 feet (very tight)

McLemore - 10.0%
Snell - 8.6%

2-4 feet (tight)

McLemore - 35.8%
Snell - 21.2%

4-6 feet (open)

McLemore - 33.4%
Snell - 34.9%

6+ feet (wide open)

McLemore - 20.8%
Snell - 35.3%

So Snell took an open or wide open shot 70.3% of the time. McLemore took one 54.2% of the time. That might make a difference in shooting percentages, don't you think?

Looking at all that I think it's pretty clear that McLemore could give us what Snell gave us for half the price and half the years.

[brettski]

I've not watched much McLemore.. but if 46% of his shots are defended tightly.. is that an indication of poor shot selection / trigger happy shooter?

[HKPackFan]

Already getting pissed thinking about seeing Henson's stupid fat face on the bench opening night.

The only people excited about seeing Henson back in Milwaukee are stores that sell Rolex watches and Chipotle store managers....ok so really only Chipotle store managers are excited about this.

[Chuck Everett]

McLemore was a lotto pick, he's supposed to be better than Snell, who also is an excellent defender of multiple positions. Think about this for a moment, the Sacramento Kings didn't even tender a QO and they have 55 million in capspace. The difference in the two guys is easy to spot. Snell has shown improvement, while McLemore has not. It's pretty damning that he had to settle for 2 years/11 million. That shows you how people view him around the league.

They'd rather have Buddy Hield, Malachi Richardson, Garrett Temple and Bogdan Bogdanovic than McLemore, because in four years, the dude still sucks. Stop posting stats and start watching other teams.

[Baddy Chuck]

I've not watched much McLemore.. but if 46% of his shots are defended tightly.. is that an indication of poor shot selection / trigger happy shooter?

Probably more shot selection/role more than the trigger happy side. That "tight" number only accounted for 8% of his three point shots, for instance Snell was at 9.3%.

[Plossum]

McLemore impact numbers are awful and that's not just a function of playing with the Kings. He's just not very good. I get some of you hate the Snell deal but the answer is not signing worse players to smaller money deals.

McLemore can shoot threes at a good clip. Great, so can Anthony Morrow. Problem is everything else he does on the court that is awful.

What on earth is the attraction with a guy like him for you guys?

[Baddy Chuck]

McLemore impact numbers are awful and that's not just a function of playing with the Kings. He's just not very good. I get some of you hate the Snell deal but the answer is not signing worse players to smaller money deals.

McLemore can shoot threes at a good clip. Great, so can Anthony Morrow. Problem is everything else he does on the court that is awful.

What on earth is the attraction with a guy like him for you guys?

I mean the shooting has to stick out as the main attraction. He has the tools and and has shown through stretches to be a pretty dead eye shooter. I feel in the Snell "sit in the corner and do absolutely nothing besides shoot threes" role he could thrive there.

"Impact" wise I would head back a few years when he had a positive RPM of .91, something Tony Snell has never accomplished in his career including last season. That same year he had a win share number of 2.5 which isn't terrible. I'd look at that as a decent indication that in the right role he can benefit a team in a positive manor, probably at around the level of a guy like Snell who has never been a real plus guy in these impact stats at any point in his career.

I don't think it's as much of a "what attracts you to McLemore" thing as it's a "what attracts you to Tony Snell for $35 million more".

Honestly though, think in the same role McLemore really isn't that much worse.

And to add I also think that role really isn't that important in the big picture in the first place.

[Chapter29]

Snell is a better defender than McLemore I am sure. At 5.5M though? McLemore and Brown can get it done.

Rather save that 6M. That plus Hawes, plus Monroe starts to add up.

[pifhluk23]

Can you imagine if we still had Plumlee? Good god how the **** did Hammond get another job?

[Baddy Chuck]

They'd rather have Buddy Hield, Malachi Richardson, Garrett Temple and Bogdan Bogdanovic than McLemore, because in four years, the dude still sucks. Stop posting stats and start watching other teams.

You do realize this is the exact reason we have Tony Snell, right? Because he "sucked" and nobody wanted him? To the point where we got him for a guy we couldn't even get the same Ben McLemore for?

[Douggystyle29]

I know it would never happen but even taking an interview with Hayward or George Hill would've shown me a ton about the owners moving forward.

I mean the Clippers are in cap hell and just met with Gallinari. Why can't we?

Yesss! I totally agree! I don't understand why we don't get into the conversation for any big names in free agency. When we acquired Monroe I thought maybe bigger things were to come. The least we can do is be aggressive in bringing these guys in for an interview and give the fan base a glimmer of hope.

[Plossum]

McLemore impact numbers are awful and that's not just a function of playing with the Kings. He's just not very good. I get some of you hate the Snell deal but the answer is not signing worse players to smaller money deals.

McLemore can shoot threes at a good clip. Great, so can Anthony Morrow. Problem is everything else he does on the court that is awful.

What on earth is the attraction with a guy like him for you guys?

I mean the shooting has to stick out as the main attraction. He has the tools and and has shown through stretches to be a pretty dead eye shooter. I feel in the Snell "sit in the corner and do absolutely nothing besides shoot threes" role he could thrive there.

"Impact" wise I would head back a few years when he had a positive RPM of .91, something Tony Snell has never accomplished in his career including last season. That same year he had a win share number of 2.5 which isn't terrible. I'd look at that as a decent indication that in the right role he can benefit a team in a positive manor, probably at around the level of a guy like Snell who has never been a real plus guy in these impact stats at any point in his career.

I don't think it's as much of a "what attracts you to McLemore" thing as it's a "what attracts you to Tony Snell for $35 million more".

Honestly though, think in the same role McLemore really isn't that much worse.

And to add I also think that role really isn't that important in the big picture in the first place.

I agree with your last statement but there are differences between both situations. Snell was stick behind Butler which is understandable but he couldn't get eliable playing time.

McLemore has had plenty of opportunity under four coaches and fell out of all their rotations. Surely this means something. The guy isn't worth a roster spot regardless of his cost.

But maybe he'll thrive at the Grizz at I'll b proved a dope. But I'll bet Snell will be a more productive player even though I don't rate either that much.

[Plossum]

Only on this forum though could there be a debate about Snell vs Mclemore. How long til the season begins?

[Apollo64]

So Atlanta, Indiana and Chicago likely won't be making the playoffs next season

[Baddy Chuck]

I agree with your last statement but there are differences between both situations. Snell was stick behind Butler which is understandable but he couldn't get eliable playing time.

McLemore has had plenty of opportunity under four coaches and fell out of all their rotations. Surely this means something. The guy isn't worth a roster spot regardless of his cost.

But maybe he'll thrive at the Grizz at I'll b proved a dope. But I'll bet Snell will be a more productive player even though I don't rate either that much.

Jimmy Butler certainly took a chunk of minutes, but let's not act like he was the guy preventing minutes for Snell, that would be largely due to a 33/34/35 year old Mike Dunleavy who Snell couldn't beat out for minutes as well as an ageing Kirk Hinrich . That led to an eventual plateau in his production in Chicago and him being beat out for minutes by Doug McDermott, E'Twaun Moore and the final nail in the coffin, yes, the Justin Holiday before being shipped to Milwaukee for pennies in a trade for a guy the Kings declined for Ben McLemore.

[M-C-G]

Did we sign McLemore too? Oh, no? Ok.


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[Baddy Chuck]

Did we sign McLemore too? Oh, no? Ok.


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Is this an around the league thread? Yeah? Oh, ok.