Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Looking like Bucks keep Mids, Brook, Jae

[jakecronus8]

Thinking of some potential buy lowish young guys and I’m wondering where Orlando sees Jalen Suggs in their future plans especially if they end up with Amen

[Bodiroga13]

As i see it, Horst is facing hard dilemmas this offseason. Many questions, not easy answers.

If we keep our big 3, Celtics and Heat will probably beat us in playoffs. I don't trust their mentality, i question their hunger/bbiq/health. Of course we were injured the last few years, it's not an excuse, it's reality, but it's likely that we'll get injured again (Careless Giannis plays, injury prone Khris).

If we trade Khris or Jrue or both, noone guarantees we'll get better. Playoff Jrue is a thing, but he is also an excellent character, a diamond in lockerooms and he is still the best defensive guard in the league. Khris is also an excellent character, plus he is a top 5 fit with Giannis. An off ball guy who can shoot well, not being afraid to do it. There are not many clutch players in the league. He is one of them. So, i give 50% percentage we'll get worse, maybe more.

So, damned if we do, damned if we don't. It's a *****d up situation. Furthermore, new CBA is killing high salary teams.

Whatever Horst does, it's a risk. If i were him, i would trade both Khris and Jrue. And if Bucks fail hard, i would consider any option at 2024 summer, trading Giannis. But there is no way i would run it back right now. I would take Beal, because we need definitely shot creators. I would take Dame, even if i had to give both Jrue and Khris. Maybe i would consider trading one of those guys for depth and keep the other. In this case, I like Hield and Turner, Grant Williams, Maxey, Garland, Naz Reid, Monk, Norman Powel, Herb Jones.
Two things we need desperately: Shot creation and wing defense.

BUT,
i am not trading Jrue or Khris for Dejounte Murray, RJ Barrett, Quickly, Lavine etc. I don't trust anyone of them in a contender. Quickly is probably a very good young player, but i would pair him with Jrue, not replacing him.
Towns is intriguing. I bet Wolves would love Jrue, he is the perfect fit for Ant. However, i don't do this trade unless i could bring a star guard player. Or two good guards. I don't trust Giannis and Kat in playoffs without good guards around them. I need Beal, or Quickly/White as supporting cast.

Bucks asked for Beal. For me, it proves that Horst also believes that we can't get championship if we run it back. But if he can't get the right players, i would rather lose with Jrue and Khris than Murray or RJ Barret etc.
And, who knows, there is always a chance that our big 3 is healthy and determined to prove all the doubters wrong

[Daver]

As i see it, Horst is facing hard dilemmas this offseason. Many questions, not easy answers.

If we keep our big 3, Celtics and Heat will probably beat us in playoffs. I don't trust their mentality, i question their hunger/bbiq/health. Of course we were injured the last few years, it's not an excuse, it's reality, but it's likely that we'll get injured again (Careless Giannis plays, injury prone Khris).

If we trade Khris or Jrue or both, noone guarantees we'll get better. Playoff Jrue is a thing, but he is also an excellent character, a diamond in lockerooms and he is still the best defensive guard in the league. Khris is also an excellent character, plus he is a top 5 fit with Giannis. An off ball guy who can shoot well, not being afraid to do it. There are not many clutch players in the league. He is one of them. So, i give 50% percentage we'll get worse, maybe more.

So, damned if we do, damned if we don't. It's a *****d up situation. Furthermore, new CBA is killing high salary teams.

Whatever Horst does, it's a risk. If i were him, i would trade both Khris and Jrue. And if Bucks fail hard, i would consider any option at 2024 summer, trading Giannis. But there is no way i would run it back right now. I would take Beal, because we need definitely shot creators. I would take Dame, even if i had to give both Jrue and Khris. Maybe i would consider trading one of those guys for depth and keep the other. In this case, I like Hield and Turner, Grant Williams, Maxey, Garland, Naz Reid, Monk, Norman Powel, Herb Jones.
Two things we need desperately: Shot creation and wing defense.

BUT,
i am not trading Jrue or Khris for Dejounte Murray, RJ Barrett, Quickly, Lavine etc. I don't trust anyone of them in a contender. Quickly is probably a very good young player, but i would pair him with Jrue, not replacing him.
Towns is intriguing. I bet Wolves would love Jrue, he is the perfect fit for Ant. However, i don't do this trade unless i could bring a star guard player. Or two good guards. I don't trust Giannis and Kat in playoffs without good guards around them. I need Beal, or Quickly/White as supporting cast.

Bucks asked for Beal. For me, it proves that Horst also believes that we can't get championship if we run it back. But if he can't get the right players, i would rather lose with Jrue and Khris than Murray or RJ Barret etc.
And, who knows, there is always a chance that our big 3 is healthy and determined to prove all the doubters wrong

Heres the thing no one knows what the big 3 will do with a new coach new attitude new voice.
In every sport when a coach is fired and new one brought in the players get that spark back play better O looks better D looks better it can happen here.
I think the big 3 can win another chip( health is #1 priority).I do feel they need to tinker with the lineup however upgrade tbe 2 or move jrue to the 2 n bring in pg.
I want to see what griffin does with a healthy big 3 and new ideas and maybe heidl or rozier at the 2

[paulpressey25]

Think I have the deal. Realistic assuming Charlotte takes Scoot.

Grayson and Bobby for Rozier, 27 and 34.

Bobby is owed $11, 12 and 13. Grayson one more year at $8.5.

Rozier at $23, 24 and 26.

I don’t like Rozier’s contract at all, and the fact his shooting percentages took a hit last year. But maybe something like this.

[Bodiroga13]

As i see it, Horst is facing hard dilemmas this offseason. Many questions, not easy answers.

If we keep our big 3, Celtics and Heat will probably beat us in playoffs. I don't trust their mentality, i question their hunger/bbiq/health. Of course we were injured the last few years, it's not an excuse, it's reality, but it's likely that we'll get injured again (Careless Giannis plays, injury prone Khris).

If we trade Khris or Jrue or both, noone guarantees we'll get better. Playoff Jrue is a thing, but he is also an excellent character, a diamond in lockerooms and he is still the best defensive guard in the league. Khris is also an excellent character, plus he is a top 5 fit with Giannis. An off ball guy who can shoot well, not being afraid to do it. There are not many clutch players in the league. He is one of them. So, i give 50% percentage we'll get worse, maybe more.

So, damned if we do, damned if we don't. It's a *****d up situation. Furthermore, new CBA is killing high salary teams.

Whatever Horst does, it's a risk. If i were him, i would trade both Khris and Jrue. And if Bucks fail hard, i would consider any option at 2024 summer, trading Giannis. But there is no way i would run it back right now. I would take Beal, because we need definitely shot creators. I would take Dame, even if i had to give both Jrue and Khris. Maybe i would consider trading one of those guys for depth and keep the other. In this case, I like Hield and Turner, Grant Williams, Maxey, Garland, Naz Reid, Monk, Norman Powel, Herb Jones.
Two things we need desperately: Shot creation and wing defense.

BUT,
i am not trading Jrue or Khris for Dejounte Murray, RJ Barrett, Quickly, Lavine etc. I don't trust anyone of them in a contender. Quickly is probably a very good young player, but i would pair him with Jrue, not replacing him.
Towns is intriguing. I bet Wolves would love Jrue, he is the perfect fit for Ant. However, i don't do this trade unless i could bring a star guard player. Or two good guards. I don't trust Giannis and Kat in playoffs without good guards around them. I need Beal, or Quickly/White as supporting cast.

Bucks asked for Beal. For me, it proves that Horst also believes that we can't get championship if we run it back. But if he can't get the right players, i would rather lose with Jrue and Khris than Murray or RJ Barret etc.
And, who knows, there is always a chance that our big 3 is healthy and determined to prove all the doubters wrong

Heres the thing no one knows what the big 3 will do with a new coach new attitude new voice.
In every sport when a coach is fired and new one brought in the players get that spark back play better O looks better D looks better it can happen here.
I think the big 3 can win another chip( health is #1 priority).I do feel they need to tinker with the lineup however upgrade tbe 2 or move jrue to the 2 n bring in pg.
I want to see what griffin does with a healthy big 3 and new ideas and maybe heidl or rozier at the 2

I agree with this. A New coach is always an "unknown factor". I prefer a thousand times more to win a championship with this big 3 than any other player. Not just 3 but all of them. I love Bobby and Brook and Pat etc. I just can't trust them anymore in playoffs. If Griffin can get them back on track, that would be the best possible outcome

[machu46]

I don't think Miami will cash in their chips for Beal when Dame can be had.

This is exactly why it's being reported Washington is trying to move fast. Portland right now is trying to move #3 for a vet(s) to try to still build something around Dame. When/if that fails Dame will be moved. Wizards know that teams would rather have Dame and the market for Beal goes down.

I feel like the teams wanting Beal should be in more of a rush than Washington. They can still take advantage of the current CBA if they get a Beal deal done quickly. It doesn’t really sound like the offers for Beal can really get worse anyways so I don’t see why the Wizards would rush it. If the offer they’re currently sitting on is a couple expiring contracts and some second round picks, I would definitely hold out for more.


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[Daver]

As i see it, Horst is facing hard dilemmas this offseason. Many questions, not easy answers.

If we keep our big 3, Celtics and Heat will probably beat us in playoffs. I don't trust their mentality, i question their hunger/bbiq/health. Of course we were injured the last few years, it's not an excuse, it's reality, but it's likely that we'll get injured again (Careless Giannis plays, injury prone Khris).

If we trade Khris or Jrue or both, noone guarantees we'll get better. Playoff Jrue is a thing, but he is also an excellent character, a diamond in lockerooms and he is still the best defensive guard in the league. Khris is also an excellent character, plus he is a top 5 fit with Giannis. An off ball guy who can shoot well, not being afraid to do it. There are not many clutch players in the league. He is one of them. So, i give 50% percentage we'll get worse, maybe more.

So, damned if we do, damned if we don't. It's a *****d up situation. Furthermore, new CBA is killing high salary teams.

Whatever Horst does, it's a risk. If i were him, i would trade both Khris and Jrue. And if Bucks fail hard, i would consider any option at 2024 summer, trading Giannis. But there is no way i would run it back right now. I would take Beal, because we need definitely shot creators. I would take Dame, even if i had to give both Jrue and Khris. Maybe i would consider trading one of those guys for depth and keep the other. In this case, I like Hield and Turner, Grant Williams, Maxey, Garland, Naz Reid, Monk, Norman Powel, Herb Jones.
Two things we need desperately: Shot creation and wing defense.

BUT,
i am not trading Jrue or Khris for Dejounte Murray, RJ Barrett, Quickly, Lavine etc. I don't trust anyone of them in a contender. Quickly is probably a very good young player, but i would pair him with Jrue, not replacing him.
Towns is intriguing. I bet Wolves would love Jrue, he is the perfect fit for Ant. However, i don't do this trade unless i could bring a star guard player. Or two good guards. I don't trust Giannis and Kat in playoffs without good guards around them. I need Beal, or Quickly/White as supporting cast.

Bucks asked for Beal. For me, it proves that Horst also believes that we can't get championship if we run it back. But if he can't get the right players, i would rather lose with Jrue and Khris than Murray or RJ Barret etc.
And, who knows, there is always a chance that our big 3 is healthy and determined to prove all the doubters wrong

Heres the thing no one knows what the big 3 will do with a new coach new attitude new voice.
In every sport when a coach is fired and new one brought in the players get that spark back play better O looks better D looks better it can happen here.
I think the big 3 can win another chip( health is #1 priority).I do feel they need to tinker with the lineup however upgrade tbe 2 or move jrue to the 2 n bring in pg.
I want to see what griffin does with a healthy big 3 and new ideas and maybe heidl or rozier at the 2

I agree with this. A New coach is always an "unknown factor". I prefer a thousand times more to win a championship with this big 3 than any other player. Not just 3 but all of them. I love Bobby and Brook and Pat etc. I just can't trust them anymore in playoffs. If Griffin can get them back on track, that would be the best possible outcome

Yep spot on i do however think bobby and allen will be traded together for a pg or SG a d a lower 1st rounder.
I think horst knows there needs to be a change in the guard position with either jrue moving to the 2 or bringing in a upgrade 2.
I would prefer to keep allen as like that 6th man 3 pt specialist never have enough of them

[MVP2110]

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-rumors-fred-vanvleet-og-anunoby-khris-middleton-nikola-vucevic-rockets-warriors-mavericks/

Nothing super new

Bucks expected to re-sign Khris for 4/130.

Bucks & Rockets fighting for Brook's services

Of note, Donte expected to opt out of his deal with GS and execs think he'll command the full non taxpayer MLE

[jakecronus8]

Has Windhorst confirmed that the Wizards are in The Deal Zone with any of the Beal suitors? I find it hard to believe they are so motivated to move him that they’ll accept a Suns salary dump.

To be quite honest they’d be lucky to get a salary dump. Getting expirings for the worst contract in the nba would be a get out of jail free card born out of desperation

[buckboy]

I don't think Miami will cash in their chips for Beal when Dame can be had.

This is exactly why it's being reported Washington is trying to move fast. Portland right now is trying to move #3 for a vet(s) to try to still build something around Dame. When/if that fails Dame will be moved. Wizards know that teams would rather have Dame and the market for Beal goes down.

I feel like the teams wanting Beal should be in more of a rush than Washington. They can still take advantage of the current CBA if they get a Beal deal done quickly. It doesn’t really sound like the offers for Beal can really get worse anyways so I don’t see why the Wizards would rush it. If the offer they’re currently sitting on is a couple expiring contracts and some second round picks, I would definitely hold out for more.


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I think that's what they'll end up getting.

Beal has the worst contract in the league. They should be thrilled to get off of it for free.

[Milbucks96]

I’m comfortable with 4/130 for Khris. That’s around 2nd-3rd best player on a good team money around the league and it’s going to be even cheaper as new contracts are signed in the next couple years.

[skbucks1985]

Watching Booker and Durant just take turns iso’ing every other possession was definitely a low point in playoff basketball viewing. No concept of team play. Adding Beal to that dynamic, at his price, doesn’t really change my view of that Suns team unless Vogel gets them back into a team concept.

If the Suns added Beal they would have 152 million committed to Ayton, Booker, Beal and Durant. Throw in Cam Payne who I think they'd probably rather just roll with him as their new starting PG than try to dump him to save costs and you're at 158 (unless they add him to the deal and get Monte Morris back in return, but that makes the financial calculus a little worse). The rest of the team is probably going to be a bunch of guys on the veteran's minimum. They better hope they can get 4-5 ring chasers.

[Frank Nova]

Can’t imagine the fight with Houston being that extensive. I’d imagine Brook is only interested in Houston if the Bucks aren’t interested in him. Ball seems to be in our court there and Giannis loves Brook so I’m sure he’ll be back in the fold.

Not sure how to feel about the Marjon news. Year 1 he certainly didn’t flash enough to show starter promise in year 2. Plus using Grayson to try and get a late 1st and save some money seems like the polar opposite of being linked to a Bradley Beal trade a few days ago.

Funny how crazy reports can be, we’re in on an all star SG on a super max contract to we’re trying to trade the current starting SG for a draft pick to clear room for a year 2 prospect and save money..

The most important off-season imaginable and Horst might be all over the place. Who knows.

[machu46]

This is exactly why it's being reported Washington is trying to move fast. Portland right now is trying to move #3 for a vet(s) to try to still build something around Dame. When/if that fails Dame will be moved. Wizards know that teams would rather have Dame and the market for Beal goes down.

I feel like the teams wanting Beal should be in more of a rush than Washington. They can still take advantage of the current CBA if they get a Beal deal done quickly. It doesn’t really sound like the offers for Beal can really get worse anyways so I don’t see why the Wizards would rush it. If the offer they’re currently sitting on is a couple expiring contracts and some second round picks, I would definitely hold out for more.


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I think that's what they'll end up getting.

Beal has the worst contract in the league. They should be thrilled to get off of it for free.

I’ll never agree with the idea that good players are the worst contract in the league when there are legitimately bad players on big contracts too even if they aren’t quite as big.


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[RiotPunch]

Think I have the deal. Realistic assuming Charlotte takes Scoot.

Grayson and Bobby for Rozier, 27 and 34.

Bobby is owed $11, 12 and 13. Grayson one more year at $8.5.

Rozier at $23, 24 and 26.

I don’t like Rozier’s contract at all, and the fact his shooting percentages took a hit last year. But maybe something like this.

Would be underwhelming, but fine. I think it would take little more than cap relief for Charlotte to trade Rozier, here they get off his deal and get two good players on good deals by only sacrificing a couple of meh picks.

I would find a 3rd team for Portis and add a Pat for Martin wrinkle to bridge the value gap.

MKE: Rozier, Martin, #17
CHA: Beasley, Allen
LAL: Portis, Connaughton

[JayMKE]

I'm sure Brook prefers to stay but I think people overestimate the discount guys will take just to stay here, he might have been a Bud guy too his career bounced back in large part because of him.

[msiris]

Mids at 4/130 Yuck.

[RiotPunch]

Mids at 4/130 Yuck.

That number could be soooo much worse. The structure will be interesting, and it is definitely a risk, but 32.5 average is a song compared to true max money.

[rilamann]

I am one of the few guys who is really high on Marjon.

If you asked me to name my top #5 reasons why Bud absolutely had to go, totally benching Marjon in mid/late December would be one of the reasons.

I remember making a post probably in mid or late December when Marjon was showing a lot of promise that there was no excuse for Bud to give Marjon any more DNPs. Seemed like right after I said that, Marjon played in like 5 games the rest of the season. I wasn't saying Marjon should have had a major role, but he should have been getting around 10 minutes every night IMO.

I still believe with a ton of confidence that Marjon has lottery talent, but slipped because of all the Covid stuff.

The fact Marjon showed the flashes he did in limited/inconsistent minutes on a title contending team was impressive.

I think he would be an easy upgrade over Grayson Allen.

Going to back to the top #5 reasons thing, if you asked me to name my top #5 reasons why the Bucks were frauds, starting and playing Grayson Allen 25+ minutes a night was one of the reasons. Grayson Allen is ok if he's coming off the bench and playing 15/20 minutes a night.

I said it all season, no team that starts Grayson Allen and plays him 25+ minutes a night is sniffing an NBA Finals.

Put Grayson Allen on the Nuggets, start him and play him 25+ a night and the Nuggets are not your 2023 NBA Champion.

[TroyD92]

I’m fully prepared for the Bucks to overpay for Midds and Brook. Going to lose most of their ability to make even fringe roster moves. Gonna be really sad around here in a year or two lol