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[fansinceforever]

Unfortunately, Middleton is definitely not the difference in blowing leads like this. Lamelo and Brandon Miller are both pretty damn good scorers. Sometimes those guys are just going to get theirs.

That said, whoever proposed playing Taurean at 4 and moving Bobby for the best big defensive 4( 4/5 would be better) that we can get seems like the best move they can realistically make.

I'd love to figure out a way to get Laravia and/or Aldama here but nothing works in trade machine. Even if it did, Grizz wouldn't be interested.

[theFireBlanket]

Assuming we don’t have the assets for

Eason
Herb
Camara

And we don’t feel good about the cancer of

Grant Williams

Who are players between those two groups?


I think Grant could possibly help us, but I don’t like him, and I don’t think our players do either. If you’re worse than Grant, you won’t be able to help us - that’s where we’ve been with the Marvin Williams and Jae crowder acquisitions.

Depends what you are willing to give up. Brook for Eason, Landale, and Sheppard works. Herb is almost impossible to get unless you can get a third team involved. Camara could be had for a number of our cheap contracts if Blazers would want them.

Brook isn’t netting you Eason. Eason has exploded this year, and his value would be absurdly high on the open market.

Camara would likely cost more than 1 first to get Portland to bite, and at that point, it’s a really risky trade for the team acquiring him.

Herb is interesting, because I think his value is less than OG’s, who was acquired for Quickly and Barrett, but I still firmly think that’s north of 1 first.

I think one thing not often discussed is what the value of that 31 first actually is. People often just state how many firsts a player is worth without considering the quality of that pick at all. A lottery pick is more valuable than two picks in the mid- twenties, for instance.

The pick is hedging on Giannis leaving or declining. I'll take GA having LeBron longevity & staying. Just as it was for NO, that he'd leave eventually when they dealt Jrue.

[soxperry]

Unfortunately, Middleton is definitely not the difference in blowing leads like this. Lamelo and Brandon Miller are both pretty damn good scorers. Sometimes those guys are just going to get theirs.

That said, whoever proposed playing Taurean at 4 and moving Bobby for the best big defensive 4( 4/5 would be better) that we can get seems like the best move they can realistically make.

I'd love to figure out a way to get Laravia and/or Aldama here but nothing works in trade machine. Even if it did, Grizz wouldn't be interested.

This last game was unique. Middleton doesn't stop Lamelo and Miller from becoming white hot. No one does. Sometimes that happens. But Middleton certainly helps us maintain leads in most games. He provides extremely efficient scoring and playmaking that you get to plug in while subtracting a lot of the riff raff that occurs between the cracks of the Giannis and Dame generated stuff.

Its going to be glorious and not fair

[German Athens]

I think Eason will eventually get up to 20ppg while being a top 10 defender, and a top 5 turnover machine.

Like he has legit all-star upside.

He has a significant restriction on his ceiling due to his lack of playmaking for others, but I think if you got him in the right offensive structure around a couple high end scorers/playmakers he would thrive.


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[Prez]

Unfortunately, Middleton is definitely not the difference in blowing leads like this. Lamelo and Brandon Miller are both pretty damn good scorers. Sometimes those guys are just going to get theirs.

I mean if we're talking about an in-form Khris, then nah, he absolutely would be a difference in not blowing a lead like that. Blowing that lead was not at all just because of LaMelo/Miller getting hot, a massive part of it was also our offense dying and scoring just 4 points in 6 minutes. If Khris is Khris, he 100% changes that.

[CharityStripe34]

Giannis so far being better on jumpers but worse taking free throws is classic Giannis.

His form on free throws is good if you could just connect his leg movement to his arm movement. Instead it is segmented and essentially the entire shot is based on a low arc wrist flick shot. I have faith he will get there. At 75% from the line he is an absolute nightmare.

A lot of that is his dumb slow as snails routine. It's one thing at the end of a hotly contested game for him to take a couple of seconds for a breather. But his dreadfully slow pace of his FT attempt makes his shot way too disjointed and mechanical. I wish refs would start calling the 10 second rule more often.

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[BuckFan25226]

Unfortunately, Middleton is definitely not the difference in blowing leads like this. Lamelo and Brandon Miller are both pretty damn good scorers. Sometimes those guys are just going to get theirs.

That said, whoever proposed playing Taurean at 4 and moving Bobby for the best big defensive 4( 4/5 would be better) that we can get seems like the best move they can realistically make.

I'd love to figure out a way to get Laravia and/or Aldama here but nothing works in trade machine. Even if it did, Grizz wouldn't be interested.

Mids has been our Auto Bucket for the past 8 years that we rely on when teams make a run. I don't see that changing now. He also runs by far the best 2 man game with Giannis.

[ShootingtheJ]

Middleton is the smartest player in Bucks history. Of course he'd be a huge asset protecting a lead.

[Bernman]

Middleton would have slowed things down, taken a shot later in the clock & he makes them contested. Set records for mid-range shooting last yr. It's asinine to claim he wouldn't make an impact in protecting leads, slumpbusting, & many other areas.

[fansinceforever]

Unfortunately, Middleton is definitely not the difference in blowing leads like this. Lamelo and Brandon Miller are both pretty damn good scorers. Sometimes those guys are just going to get theirs.

I mean if we're talking about an in-form Khris, then nah, he absolutely would be a difference in not blowing a lead like that. Blowing that lead was not at all just because of LaMelo/Miller getting hot, a massive part of it was also our offense dying and scoring just 4 points in 6 minutes. If Khris is Khris, he 100% changes that.

The way you stop extended runs is by guarding the perimeter and the basket. Two things we've done well lately while also experiencing a heater by multiple players mainly Taurean Prince, GTJ (maybe somewhat sustainable), AJ Green and to an extent Bobby/Brook.

When that regresses, sure, Middleton's scoring will help but unless we maintain top 5-10 defense there's nothing to talk about.

I like the run we're on too but we haven't played anybody good other than Houston so let's calm down a bit.

[ShootingtheJ]

Figuring out the rotation when Khris comes back is a good "problem" to have. He'll definitely come off the bench initially but I'm anxious to see Giannis/Dame/Khris lineups. If I'm forced to cut minutes between Green and AJJ I'd cut AJJ.

Physically, it will be easier for him to warm up and start, so he'll start.

[ShootingtheJ]

Unfortunately, Middleton is definitely not the difference in blowing leads like this. Lamelo and Brandon Miller are both pretty damn good scorers. Sometimes those guys are just going to get theirs.

I mean if we're talking about an in-form Khris, then nah, he absolutely would be a difference in not blowing a lead like that. Blowing that lead was not at all just because of LaMelo/Miller getting hot, a massive part of it was also our offense dying and scoring just 4 points in 6 minutes. If Khris is Khris, he 100% changes that.

The way you stop extended runs is by guarding the perimeter and the basket. Two things we've done well lately while also experiencing a heater by multiple players mainly Taurean Prince, GTJ (maybe somewhat sustainable), AJ Green and to an extent Bobby/Brook.

When that regresses, sure, Middleton's scoring will help but unless we maintain top 5-10 defense there's nothing to talk about.

I like the run we're on too but we haven't played anybody good other than Houston so let's calm down a bit.

Middleton's BBIQ has always helped our defense.

[fansinceforever]

I mean if we're talking about an in-form Khris, then nah, he absolutely would be a difference in not blowing a lead like that. Blowing that lead was not at all just because of LaMelo/Miller getting hot, a massive part of it was also our offense dying and scoring just 4 points in 6 minutes. If Khris is Khris, he 100% changes that.

The way you stop extended runs is by guarding the perimeter and the basket. Two things we've done well lately while also experiencing a heater by multiple players mainly Taurean Prince, GTJ (maybe somewhat sustainable), AJ Green and to an extent Bobby/Brook.

When that regresses, sure, Middleton's scoring will help but unless we maintain top 5-10 defense there's nothing to talk about.

I like the run we're on too but we haven't played anybody good other than Houston so let's calm down a bit.

Middleton's BBIQ has always helped our defense.

He wasn't good defensively last year at all. He was a part of a very large issue. Let's see if that's changed when he's back.

We're playing well right but let's not get carried away.

[Prez]

Unfortunately, Middleton is definitely not the difference in blowing leads like this. Lamelo and Brandon Miller are both pretty damn good scorers. Sometimes those guys are just going to get theirs.

I mean if we're talking about an in-form Khris, then nah, he absolutely would be a difference in not blowing a lead like that. Blowing that lead was not at all just because of LaMelo/Miller getting hot, a massive part of it was also our offense dying and scoring just 4 points in 6 minutes. If Khris is Khris, he 100% changes that.

The way you stop extended runs is by guarding the perimeter and the basket. Two things we've done well lately while also experiencing a heater by multiple players mainly Taurean Prince, GTJ (maybe somewhat sustainable), AJ Green and to an extent Bobby/Brook.

When that regresses, sure, Middleton's scoring will help but unless we maintain top 5-10 defense there's nothing to talk about.

I like the run we're on too but we haven't played anybody good other than Houston so let's calm down a bit.

And another way to stop extended runs is also by not scoring just 4 points as a team in half a quarter. The heater LaMelo/Miller were on wouldn't have been a problem if our offense didn't crater for 6 straight minutes, which again, wouldn't have happened if we had Khris doing more or less Khris things. And it's not just his scoring, it's his ability to be a connector on offense with his passing/playmaking.

Also I never said anything about our run over the past 7 games, so not sure what the last line is even getting at.

[ShootingtheJ]

The way you stop extended runs is by guarding the perimeter and the basket. Two things we've done well lately while also experiencing a heater by multiple players mainly Taurean Prince, GTJ (maybe somewhat sustainable), AJ Green and to an extent Bobby/Brook.

When that regresses, sure, Middleton's scoring will help but unless we maintain top 5-10 defense there's nothing to talk about.

I like the run we're on too but we haven't played anybody good other than Houston so let's calm down a bit.

Middleton's BBIQ has always helped our defense.

He wasn't good defensively last year at all. He was a part of a very large issue. Let's see if that's changed when he's back.

We're playing well right but let's not get carried away.

Opponents shot poorly against him last year, as they always do.

[fansinceforever]

I mean if we're talking about an in-form Khris, then nah, he absolutely would be a difference in not blowing a lead like that. Blowing that lead was not at all just because of LaMelo/Miller getting hot, a massive part of it was also our offense dying and scoring just 4 points in 6 minutes. If Khris is Khris, he 100% changes that.

The way you stop extended runs is by guarding the perimeter and the basket. Two things we've done well lately while also experiencing a heater by multiple players mainly Taurean Prince, GTJ (maybe somewhat sustainable), AJ Green and to an extent Bobby/Brook.

When that regresses, sure, Middleton's scoring will help but unless we maintain top 5-10 defense there's nothing to talk about.

I like the run we're on too but we haven't played anybody good other than Houston so let's calm down a bit.

And another way to stop extended runs is also by not scoring just 4 points as a team in half a quarter. The heater LaMelo/Miller were on wouldn't have been a problem if our offense didn't crater for 6 straight minutes, which again, wouldn't have happened if we had Khris doing more or less Khris things. And it's not just his scoring, it's his ability to be a connector on offense with his passing/playmaking.

Also I never said anything about our run over the past 7 games, so not sure what the last line is even getting at.

Just aggregating my response to everyone in my response to you.

Yeah, understood. Khris can help but overall we're not going to shoot much better than we have. Can he help us get a bucket in spots when things get tight, of course he can.

My original post was about adding guys that can help us guard the team's that actually matter. Our personnel is still prone to giving up huge runs against the Celtics, Cavs, etc. Really any team that plays fast, shoots threes and has guys who can get past our perimeter defenders.

Middleton helps in other ways but it probably means less Green and AJax who have been crucial in what we've done recently.

[fansinceforever]

Dbl post.

[fansinceforever]

Middleton's BBIQ has always helped our defense.

He wasn't good defensively last year at all. He was a part of a very large issue. Let's see if that's changed when he's back.

We're playing well right but let's not get carried away.

Opponents shot poorly against him last year, as they always do.

I'm happy to look at some opponent FG % numbers for Khris if you've got em.

I remember a lot of talk about moving Khris to 4 because he was struggling guarding the perimeter. He had a 116 drtg and he was a part of an, at best, slightly below average defensive group.

[German Athens]

He wasn't good defensively last year at all. He was a part of a very large issue. Let's see if that's changed when he's back.

We're playing well right but let's not get carried away.

Opponents shot poorly against him last year, as they always do.

I'm happy to look at some opponent FG % numbers for Khris if you've got em.

I remember a lot of talk about moving Khris to 4 because he was struggling guarding the perimeter. He had a 116 drtg and he was a part of an, at best, slightly below average defensive group.

DFG% difference is a really noisy stat, but if that’s what you want:

khris's last year was -1.4% which is quite solid. That’s 104th out of 381 players who played at least 30 games last year.

It’s also right behind Shai and ahead of Keon Ellis.

He also had a positive D-EPM before they made it a predictive 3 year moving average, and basically neutered it’s value for comparing individual seasons.

If you want an advanced stat that points to poor performance, his D-lebron was -.61 which would place him 434th out of 567, just ahead of TJ Mcconell.

[-Jragon-]

Middleton is the smartest player in Bucks history. Of course he'd be a huge asset protecting a lead.

Sam Cassel has questions... so does Kukoc.