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Re: NBA Cup Finals - Bucks/Thunder - 12/17/24 - 7:30 - ABC 

Post#61 » by Sigra » Mon Dec 16, 2024 9:39 am

MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:so dumb they haven't figured out a way to make this game meaningful.


The winning team of the tournament receives the trophy, also called the NBA Cup. The trophy is created by Tiffany & Co and it is 35 pounds of sterling silver, vermeil, coated with 24 karat gold, black ceramic.

Each winning player receives a cash prize, (which was $500,000 for the 2023 edition) and championship medals.

There is also NBA Cup Most Valuable Player award and an All-Tournament Team.


Damn. I spent all my life playing/working for much much less. I'm 48 years old and still have 0 trophies and 0 medals. :(
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Post#62 » by Ron Swanson » Mon Dec 16, 2024 2:20 pm

Rest everyone and dare the Clown Commissioner to fine us. It won't happen, but that'd be hilarious and awesome.
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Post#63 » by ReasonablySober » Mon Dec 16, 2024 2:36 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Rest everyone and dare the Clown Commissioner to fine us. It won't happen, but that'd be hilarious and awesome.


Yea, I'm sure the guys on the team making at or close to the minimum would find it hilarious and awesome.
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Post#64 » by Ron Swanson » Mon Dec 16, 2024 2:45 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:Rest everyone and dare the Clown Commissioner to fine us. It won't happen, but that'd be hilarious and awesome.


Yea, I'm sure the guys on the team making at or close to the minimum would find it hilarious and awesome.


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Post#65 » by chonestown » Mon Dec 16, 2024 3:08 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:Rest everyone and dare the Clown Commissioner to fine us. It won't happen, but that'd be hilarious and awesome.


Yea, I'm sure the guys on the team making at or close to the minimum would find it hilarious and awesome.


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Gold or not, most Gen Z'ers probably find Rolodexes antiquated. They probably keep contact info on their phone! Less bulky.imo
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Post#66 » by DutchManDanFan » Mon Dec 16, 2024 4:16 pm

pifhluk23 wrote:Let the young guys play. Vets should play soft, not get injured and just chuck 3s. Let the 3p variance decide the winner. It's not important enough to risk injury. Let's see Giannis shoot 10 3p.

I could not agree less.
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Post#67 » by emunney » Mon Dec 16, 2024 7:55 pm

300k isn't nothing even to somebody like Giannis. Do the 2 ways get it? Because if so, they've already doubled their salary.

ETA: They get half, maximum, and apparently it depends on how many knock-out round games they spend on the active roster.
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Post#68 » by MickeyDavis » Mon Dec 16, 2024 8:01 pm

I've not been a big fan of this tourney but we've got this far, it would be dumb to punt it. Yeah I know it doesn't count but we are finally at full strength and it's a good test against a very good team before we get back to the grind of back to backs (coming up this week) and load management.
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Post#69 » by MKE_Hodag22 » Mon Dec 16, 2024 8:04 pm

What would make it worth it in this tournament? Here's some ideas a few co-workers and I threw around..

1. Winner of tournament gets Homecourt R1 of playoffs regardless of seed. Obviously, if that team would have homecourt anyways, that might not matter, but having that guarantee might be something. but if like 6/7 seed gets it..that might be massive for a r1 upset.

2. I may have seen others throw it around, but winning team gets a lottery ball and a guaranteed top15 pick in following years draft.

3. financial payout for the players, maybe a mil each.

4. winning team gets an additional roster spot for the remainder of the season at a salary # pre-determined.

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Post#70 » by JonHeist » Mon Dec 16, 2024 8:17 pm

anyone unironically suggesting the team should throw the cup finals to "rest" when the playoffs are 4+ months away should never be allowed to have any opinion on anything ever again


it's about a 15% bonus for all our guys on the minimum, not to mention the two-way guys

imagine your boss was like "there's this huge Christmas bonus we could maybe earn with one extra day's work, doing basically the same work we do every single day, but I don't think it's worth it"
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Post#71 » by AussieBuck » Mon Dec 16, 2024 8:23 pm

I'm excited as **** for a tiny slice of playoffs with everyone healthy.
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Post#72 » by ShootingtheJ » Mon Dec 16, 2024 8:27 pm

JonHeist wrote:anyone unironically suggesting the team should throw the cup finals to "rest" when the playoffs are 4+ months away should never be allowed to have any opinion on anything ever again


it's about a 15% bonus for all our guys on the minimum, not to mention the two-way guys

imagine your boss was like "there's this huge Christmas bonus we could maybe earn with one extra day's work, doing basically the same work we do every single day, but I don't think it's worth it"


We can use this as a selling point to future minimum salary FAs.
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Post#73 » by Ron Swanson » Mon Dec 16, 2024 8:32 pm

JonHeist wrote:anyone unironically suggesting the team should throw the cup finals to "rest" when the playoffs are 4+ months away should never be allowed to have any opinion on anything ever again


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Post#74 » by Turk Nowitzki » Mon Dec 16, 2024 8:45 pm

I don't love the idea of Dame fighting through a calf injury to play this one. I want to win it but you do have to keep some perspective for a December game that doesn't count in the standings.

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Post#75 » by sidney lanier » Mon Dec 16, 2024 8:51 pm

I was not a fan of the in-season tourney idea, but I have to say, having gone to games both years, that the atmosphere and feel this year are much better than last year, and it is a welcome relief from the tedium of a long season, which I think is what Silver was aiming for.

It was a Hawks crowd on Saturday, and it was fun to interact with an Atlanta fan sitting next to me, who was enjoying Trae getting cheap fouls on Ajax. But things were congenial overall, and it was nice to have some life in the building as opposed to last year, when most of the sparse crowd didn't have a rooting interest.
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Post#76 » by skbucks1985 » Mon Dec 16, 2024 9:04 pm

The IST was/is going to succeed or fail based on how much the players care and I think it seems pretty clear that at least as far as the knockout round games go, they clearly care. I'm not against adding additional incentives but I think they should all be with the goal of making the players care more which is why I think any of the draft pick suggestions won't move the needle. The simplest one is just making it the 1st tiebreaker for playoff seeding.
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Post#77 » by MickeyDavis » Mon Dec 16, 2024 9:10 pm

A win doesn't mean all is good, no moves to be made. And a loss isn't hair on fire (it will be to some here though). But this will only be Khris' 5th game and we need to see this team play at full strength before any real evaluations are made. We're lucky that we only have one B2B over the next month so there should be minimal resting. An opportunity to play against a good team where a loss doesn't count is valuable.
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Post#78 » by ReasonablySober » Mon Dec 16, 2024 9:22 pm

A lot of good and fun info found in Dan Devine's preview of the game.

1. How will Oklahoma City guard Giannis?
It might make some sense for OKC to slot Williams on Antetokounmpo with Hartenstein perpetually lurking behind as a helper — akin to the way some opponents have taken to guarding Nikola Jokić in Denver — and trust that, when Giannis kicks the ball out to find an open teammate, its elite off-ball defenders can play on a string tight enough to nail the necessary rotations and keep Milwaukee from generating a barrage of wide-open 3s. That gets trickier in practice, though, when Antetokounmpo’s teammates are knocking down the triples he creates: The Bucks are tied for the league lead in 3-point percentage over their last 15 games, and tied for fourth in made triples per game, with every member of the rotation save for Giannis and the just-returned Khris Middleton drilling at least 38% of their long balls in this stretch. (Here’s where we note that Giannis is posting a career-high assist rate and a career-low turnover rate, and leads the NBA in passes leading to 3-pointers.)


2. Is Andre Jackson Jr. ready for prime time?
The second-year guard out of UConn has earned his way into Doc Rivers’ starting lineup with his athleticism, defensive aptitude, and relentless activity, routinely deployed in defending an opponent’s most dangerous perimeter weapon.

The 23-year-old is one of just seven players in the entire NBA to rank in the 98th percentile or higher in both average matchup difficulty and perimeter isolation defense, according to The BBall Index’s game charting — a list that includes Dort and breakout defensive menace Dyson Daniels.


3. Who sets the pace?
The Thunder’s defensive philosophy relies on relentless ball pressure in an effort to force turnovers and get their armada of bright young athletes out on the break. It’s no surprise, then, that Oklahoma City ranks eighth in the NBA in average time to shot, according to Inpredictable, getting an attempt up within 11.3 seconds of getting the ball, on average.

The Bucks, on the other hand, are the NBA’s oldest team; with the exception of Antetokounmpo and Jackson, Milwaukee’s rotation relies more on skill and execution than bounce and explosion. It’s no surprise, then, that the Bucks rank 26th in average time to shot — and second in the share of their offensive possessions where they operate in the half-court, rather than in transition. Oklahoma City, by contrast? Fourth in transition frequency.
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Post#79 » by yb90 » Mon Dec 16, 2024 9:51 pm

Will the Bucks get a fair whitsle against one of the NBA's new darling?
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Post#80 » by ShootingtheJ » Mon Dec 16, 2024 10:21 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:A lot of good and fun info found in Dan Devine's preview of the game.

1. How will Oklahoma City guard Giannis?
It might make some sense for OKC to slot Williams on Antetokounmpo with Hartenstein perpetually lurking behind as a helper — akin to the way some opponents have taken to guarding Nikola Jokić in Denver — and trust that, when Giannis kicks the ball out to find an open teammate, its elite off-ball defenders can play on a string tight enough to nail the necessary rotations and keep Milwaukee from generating a barrage of wide-open 3s. That gets trickier in practice, though, when Antetokounmpo’s teammates are knocking down the triples he creates: The Bucks are tied for the league lead in 3-point percentage over their last 15 games, and tied for fourth in made triples per game, with every member of the rotation save for Giannis and the just-returned Khris Middleton drilling at least 38% of their long balls in this stretch. (Here’s where we note that Giannis is posting a career-high assist rate and a career-low turnover rate, and leads the NBA in passes leading to 3-pointers.)


2. Is Andre Jackson Jr. ready for prime time?
The second-year guard out of UConn has earned his way into Doc Rivers’ starting lineup with his athleticism, defensive aptitude, and relentless activity, routinely deployed in defending an opponent’s most dangerous perimeter weapon.

The 23-year-old is one of just seven players in the entire NBA to rank in the 98th percentile or higher in both average matchup difficulty and perimeter isolation defense, according to The BBall Index’s game charting — a list that includes Dort and breakout defensive menace Dyson Daniels.


3. Who sets the pace?
The Thunder’s defensive philosophy relies on relentless ball pressure in an effort to force turnovers and get their armada of bright young athletes out on the break. It’s no surprise, then, that Oklahoma City ranks eighth in the NBA in average time to shot, according to Inpredictable, getting an attempt up within 11.3 seconds of getting the ball, on average.

The Bucks, on the other hand, are the NBA’s oldest team; with the exception of Antetokounmpo and Jackson, Milwaukee’s rotation relies more on skill and execution than bounce and explosion. It’s no surprise, then, that the Bucks rank 26th in average time to shot — and second in the share of their offensive possessions where they operate in the half-court, rather than in transition. Oklahoma City, by contrast? Fourth in transition frequency.



Thanks for sharing! Giannis is the NBA leader in passes leading to 3s?

Should a new stat be created for assists that was weighted for the points created? And should it be named after Giannis?

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