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Re: ATL - Conference Semis 

Post#61 » by RiotPunch » Sat May 10, 2025 9:10 am

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RiotPunch wrote:Thunder looked like a young team that forgot what got them here. SGA was rattled.


Actually, what got them here is defense. Their offense is mostly result of their defense. Their offense 5 on 5 is very suspicious. If they cant stop oponent they are not going to score much.

Thats why I was 100% sure we will beat them in cup game. I knew they cant stop healthy Giannis and Dame. And thats why I predicted that they will lose in 2nd round this year.

And when they do lose we should ask them what they offer for Giannis. Nobody needs Giannis more than them IMO.

I don't disagree. Their defense and depth got them here, but I've watched the ball hum around on offense for them in the regular season. They have lost that, it's just SGA or J-Dub or Chet iso after iso.

Same problem with the Bucks. Giannis iso, Dame iso. It doesn't work efficiently.
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Post#62 » by JayMKE » Sat May 10, 2025 10:42 am

Nobody should want OKC’s overrated poo poo platter, don’t say you’d trade Giannis for their crap they wanna dump. Not even one good pick.
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Re: ATL - Conference Semis 

Post#63 » by MikeIsGood » Sat May 10, 2025 12:03 pm

Yeah I feel pretty good about my OKC is a bunch of #3s and 4s (and SGA) comment from a week ago. He had a good game but JWill is not a championship second option and neither is Chet.
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Post#64 » by MickeyDavis » Sat May 10, 2025 12:03 pm

Surprised Knicks/Celtics isn't primetime but I guess they didn't know Curry would be out.
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Post#65 » by Profound23 » Sat May 10, 2025 12:15 pm

JayMKE wrote:Nobody should want OKC’s overrated poo poo platter, don’t say you’d trade Giannis for their crap they wanna dump. Not even one good pick.


If somehow Giannis was traded for Chet and Picks, I would hope we flipped Chet for even more picks because I don't think he's the answer at all.
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Post#66 » by jschligs » Sat May 10, 2025 12:41 pm

Couple things:

Giannis the the best in the world. An off night for him is far better than an off night for any of the other stars.

Playoff basketball is way different than regular season and you can’t just expect your game to translate. I feel like OKC expected to just keep rolling after an easy first round.
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Post#67 » by BUCKnation » Sat May 10, 2025 2:33 pm

Sigra wrote:
RiotPunch wrote:Thunder looked like a young team that forgot what got them here. SGA was rattled.


Actually, what got them here is defense. Their offense is mostly result of their defense. Their offense 5 on 5 is very suspicious. If they cant stop oponent they are not going to score much.

Thats why I was 100% sure we will beat them in cup game. I knew they cant stop healthy Giannis and Dame. And thats why I predicted that they will lose in 2nd round this year.

And when they do lose we should ask them what they offer for Giannis. Nobody needs Giannis more than them IMO.

If sga doesn’t have it in this type of close game, they really struggle. Sga was bad but didnt necessarily look scared like the other guys, besides jdub, did. Chet short armed a few shots and dort and Ihart were chucking up wide open air balls.

Denver kind of threw out a ‘wall’ esque defense in the 4th and OT.
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Post#68 » by MickeyDavis » Sat May 10, 2025 3:18 pm

It's going to be interesting to see what Detroit does. They lose Hardaway Jr, Schroeder, Beasley and Reed. But have plenty of money to re-sign those guys and/or someone new. I've seen Portis name as someone they might be interested in. Cade is on his rookie extension and Tobias will make $26 million in the final year of his 2 year deal, otherwise they have no one who makes anything significant.
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Post#69 » by tydett » Sat May 10, 2025 3:37 pm

Said for a few months the Thunder resemble the '19 Bucks. Absolute **** buzzsaw in the regular season, ran into a veteran-laden team that figured out how to stop the superstar, and the other guys couldn't pick it up. It's just so hard to be a depth team that goes all the way because most teams just play their top 8 guys who are still better than your 10th-11th (even if your 10-11th are miles better than theirs). Interesting to see how OKC responds in G4 - I think they take it, fwiw.
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Post#70 » by MickeyDavis » Sat May 10, 2025 4:30 pm

Windhorst on the Celtics situation

THE CELTICS ARE being sold to a group led by investor Bill Chisholm at a valuation of more than $6 billion, a record-setting transaction that thrilled NBA power brokers and made everyone feel good about the health of the league.

Chisholm, a lifelong Celtics fan and Massachusetts native, has reportedly been forming a coalition to piece together the financing of the giant purchase.

When it is settled, it seems clear that the Celtics, who were last sold for just $360 million more than 20 years ago, will have a massively more expensive mortgage to service.

The Celtics knew their present and future were tied to two-way wing stars Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown, and they wanted to make sure the duo was locked into long-term contracts. That part of the planning was executed as planned. Brown signed in 2023 and then Tatum did the same in 2024 to deals that would keep them with the Celtics until the end of the decade at a combined cost of more than $600 million.

Dating back at least three years, as the new collective bargaining agreement between team owners and the players' association was taking shape, the Celtics identified 2025 as a pinch point.

We are weeks away from that point, no matter what happens on the court, because Tatum's new contract kicks in, and the Celtics will face being a so-called "repeater" luxury tax payer.

There is one pending free agent among the current Boston core: beloved veteran big man Al Horford, who is in the final season of his contract. Everyone else, from guards Derrick White and Jrue Holiday -- both of whom signed their own extensions in 2024 -- to center Kristaps Porzingis and Sixth Man of the Year Payton Pritchard, is under contract into the future.

Normally, this would be celebrated as savvy management. If you have a great team assembled, you do whatever you can to keep it together. Stevens and his front office have done so.

But the modern NBA presents more complex problems than even expert roster-building can solve.

AND THAT'S WHERE the giant number comes from. Floating out there for the past year, it is staggering and historic.

Even if Horford doesn't re-sign -- he doesn't plan to retire and would like to return, sources said -- Boston is facing a payroll, with luxury taxes, next season of $464 million, according to ESPN front office insider Bobby Marks.

If the Celtics retain their first-round pick -- and, frankly, they need to because they are desperate for the inexpensive contract the selection would provide -- and then fill out their roster with minimum salaries, the team payroll crosses the $500 million mark.

Last season, the Celtics set a record for revenue, thanks to the run to the title and four rounds of home playoff games. Losing Game 4 in Dallas last year, after they had a 3-0 lead, was a multimillion-dollar boon, as the Celtics clinched in front of their home fans with a lucrative home Finals game. It helped boost the franchise's revenue to around $450 million, according to a report by Sportico.

You don't need a graduate degree from the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School, as Chisholm has, to understand the developing math problem.

That financial storm has mostly churned offshore during this Celtics season. The team hasn't had conversations with player agents about future spending changes, multiple sources said, and the strategy to keep the focus on the court has been purposeful.

The Celtics players' families are very tight-knit, fostered from deep playoff runs and roster continuity since the end of COVID-19.

Stevens and his staff have sought to keep the ownership uncertainty off the players' minds as they try to win another banner, and have succeeded in doing so, according to those on and around the team.

Earlier this season, NBA teams got very good news when the league considerably raised its debt limit, from $275 million each to $425 million each thanks to its new 11-year, $77 billion media rights deals that will begin next fall.

That bought every team, including the Celtics, a cushion to weather losses if they wanted to use it.

In February, Fitch Ratings boosted the NBA's credit rating from "A-minus" to "A." Don't worry about the NBA owners.

But if the Celtics don't make it out of this second-round meeting with the Knicks -- and fail to defend their title just as the past five NBA champions have done so -- the degree of fallout is uncertain. Expensive consultants aren't needed to advise against spending $500 million on a roster that didn't return to the conference finals.

That won't be and shouldn't be on the minds of the Celtics players. But make no mistake that the chatter across the league about the existential threat this Celtics team faces will only increase with each loss, a much more serious consequence than how it might affect players' and coaches' reputations, legacies and any other such noise that usually fills the NBA ecosystem each spring.
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Re: ATL - Conference Semis 

Post#71 » by ShootingtheJ » Sat May 10, 2025 4:52 pm

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Sigra wrote:
RiotPunch wrote:Thunder looked like a young team that forgot what got them here. SGA was rattled.


Actually, what got them here is defense. Their offense is mostly result of their defense. Their offense 5 on 5 is very suspicious. If they cant stop oponent they are not going to score much.

Thats why I was 100% sure we will beat them in cup game. I knew they cant stop healthy Giannis and Dame. And thats why I predicted that they will lose in 2nd round this year.

And when they do lose we should ask them what they offer for Giannis. Nobody needs Giannis more than them IMO.

If sga doesn’t have it in this type of close game, they really struggle. Sga was bad but didnt necessarily look scared like the other guys, besides jdub, did. Chet short armed a few shots and dort and Ihart were chucking up wide open air balls.

Denver kind of threw out a ‘wall’ esque defense in the 4th and OT.



Thunders coach has been awful so far in the series.
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Post#72 » by ShootingtheJ » Sat May 10, 2025 4:54 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:It's going to be interesting to see what Detroit does. They lose Hardaway Jr, Schroeder, Beasley and Reed. But have plenty of money to re-sign those guys and/or someone new. I've seen Portis name as someone they might be interested in. Cade is on his rookie extension and Tobias will make $26 million in the final year of his 2 year deal, otherwise they have no one who makes anything significant.


Detroit should use their cap space to acquire a combo forward with a championship pedigree. I have someone in mind.
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Post#73 » by rilamann » Sat May 10, 2025 7:52 pm

If Boston's level of defensive intensity stays at the level it is at today for the full 48 minutes the rest of this series. Boston will win the next 4 games and none of them will even be close.
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Post#74 » by engelmartin » Sat May 10, 2025 8:00 pm

man Brunson kind of blows if he’s not getting horrible calls all game long
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Post#75 » by engelmartin » Sat May 10, 2025 8:02 pm

probably prefer Sims to Mitchell Robinson if I were the Knicks right now
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Post#76 » by rilamann » Sat May 10, 2025 8:04 pm

Celtics are showing everyone that the 2025 NBA Championship is theirs, if they want it.

Damn it.
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Post#77 » by engelmartin » Sat May 10, 2025 8:07 pm

rilamann wrote:Celtics are showing everyone that the 2025 NBA Championship is theirs, if they want it.

Damn it.

They’ve looked good in the first quarter every game this series. Gotta give them a little more time
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Post#78 » by PintSizedBox10 » Sat May 10, 2025 8:12 pm

Nah, the 3s will stop falling and Boston will choke again
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Post#79 » by rilamann » Sat May 10, 2025 8:13 pm

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rilamann wrote:Celtics are showing everyone that the 2025 NBA Championship is theirs, if they want it.

Damn it.

They’ve looked good in the first quarter every game this series. Gotta give them a little more time


Just have to hope that the Celtics either can't or won't sustain this level of play. If they do, I doubt anyone is beating them in a best of 7 series with the exception of maybe OKC.

In games 1 & 2 obviously, the Celtics didn't sustain it for the full 48 minutes. If they get locked in though, it's probably over the rest of the league.
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Post#80 » by German Athens » Sat May 10, 2025 8:16 pm

Yes, if a team can sustain shooting 85% from 3, they will probably win some games.

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