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Post#61 » by tski1972 » Mon May 19, 2025 9:23 pm

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jakecronus8 wrote:Jazz getting way too much here though I’m not a Markannen guy at all


I’d do Kuzma/‘31 1st for Sexton/#21.

Kuzma can lead the tank for the Jazz and we get off of one year of Kuzma and a stop gap for Dame as Sexton has one year left on his deal.


Sexton for our potential top 5 pick in '31?

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Getting Kuzma off the team immediately isn't somehow worth conceding a future high pick in the post-Giannis yrs for a mid player. It's not getting us over humps. Kuz can bounceback to career norms, maybe improve w/ a better supporting cast/role, or be benched/traded midseason.


I wouldn’t trade the ‘31 unless it’s protected, I obviously missed including that.
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Post#62 » by paulpressey25 » Mon May 19, 2025 9:29 pm

German Athens wrote:Lauri is a top 3 guy on a contender.


Ainge isn't trading us Lauri for Kuzma and a 2031.

The Austin Reaves and Lauri for only our 2031 are a pipe dream. And it gets worse if we need to use Kuzma as the salary offset.
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Post#63 » by BroncoBuck » Mon May 19, 2025 9:32 pm

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MickeyDavis wrote:Jrue is a definite no as a playoff contributor. He was not good this year. As for Khris, who knows what condition he'd be in. He'll likely be bought out at some point next season and then see where he's at if he doesn't cost us anything.


As people post these trade ideas to help the team keep Giannis, it makes me think more and more now is the time to trade him.

Most stuff available is crap and/or older guys. Just what we've been doing the past three years with no success.

In 2021 we had a legit big three options (Giannis/Midds/Jrue). None of these ideas bring us a true #2 or #3 on a contender for obvious reasons (we don't have the assets for it). So how you advance beyond the first round without acquiring a true #2 is a mystery to me.


If the Spurs put out the offer of Castle, Vassell, Johnson and all of their picks (all of them) I’d pull the trigger on the deal. You’re always a contender when you have Giannis, but it’s getting harder to depend on his health as he gets older and plays so physical every night.

Not interested in the Rockets offer at all.
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Post#64 » by German Athens » Mon May 19, 2025 9:35 pm

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German Athens wrote:Lauri is a top 3 guy on a contender.


Ainge isn't trading us Lauri for Kuzma and a 2031.

The Austin Reaves and Lauri for only our 2031 are a pipe dream. And it gets worse if we need to use Kuzma as the salary offset.


I think we could find a way for Lauri assets. It also probably wouldn’t be Kuzma, it would be Dame.

‘31 1st, ‘32 swap. The ‘26 swap likely holds a good deal of value to the right team, because NOP will be a lottery team again. Take on salary with a pick to help a 2nd apron team lessen the load.

I bet there’s a way, and Ainge already valued that PHX ‘31 1st as worth 3 1sts.
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Post#65 » by blazza18 » Mon May 19, 2025 9:45 pm

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blazza18 wrote:Should we trade that 2031 pick for pick(s) now to help build something over the next few seasons or look for another quick fix by moving it for an established player?


Assuming Giannis says he will stay, you trade it for a guy that can help right now. The East is looking pretty weak next year, it wouldn't take much + a little injury luck to make a run.


If Giannis stays it’s more reason to take a step back and find some young players now to build with imo.
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Post#66 » by Ron Swanson » Mon May 19, 2025 9:47 pm

Lauri eating up 35% of your cap and Austin Reaves also just aren't doing anything to make this team a title contender. If there's a big move out there, it's probably a guy who hasn't yet been made available. Ironically we're exactly where we were just two-years ago when people on this board were talking about dumping like, the 2028 unprotected 1st for Collin Sexton. Flash forward to now and we're talking about.....dumping the 2031 1st for Collin Sexton lol.
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Post#67 » by pifhluk23 » Mon May 19, 2025 10:13 pm

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pifhluk23 wrote:If Giannis asks out, 76ers are looking to trade PG and #3. I'd probably take PG, McCain, #3, both 2028 1sts, 2029 1st and 2030 1st over all the other deals floated. Idk if they are desperate enough to give up 5 1sts but it's not like they are gauranteed to be good picks and the 2029 doesn't convey if it's 1-3.


Five late round firsts aren't worth very much, as teams that have had the Bucks picks have found out. No thanks.


One is #3, 2028 is LAC. 2030 76ers. They aren't all late firsts.
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Post#68 » by pifhluk23 » Mon May 19, 2025 10:21 pm

I think we should try hard to get McCain. He's definitely available on a rookie deals and lots of upside. I'd love to see him and Giannis in what most will consider a throwaway year next year.
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Post#69 » by SupremeHustle » Mon May 19, 2025 10:26 pm

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I think he's a Buck for life.
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Post#70 » by JonHeist » Mon May 19, 2025 10:51 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Lauri eating up 35% of your cap and Austin Reaves also just aren't doing anything to make this team a title contender. If there's a big move out there, it's probably a guy who hasn't yet been made available. Ironically we're exactly where we were just two-years ago when people on this board were talking about dumping like, the 2028 unprotected 1st for Collin Sexton. Flash forward to now and we're talking about.....dumping the 2031 1st for Collin Sexton lol.


imagine telling us we'd trade for dame and *still* end right back in sexton discussions two years later
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Post#71 » by BigO » Mon May 19, 2025 11:05 pm

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jakecronus8 wrote:Jazz getting way too much here though I’m not a Markannen guy at all



You're giving away that first for Kessler and Sexton?

What do you think will be the price to move Kuzma?


Good point.

I'm hoping some GMs think he's still a good player or will return to his supposed good prior form (which never existed). There have to be more Horsts out there.
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Post#72 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Mon May 19, 2025 11:15 pm

dame and the pick and swap for jrue and kristaps makes sense unless i hear something better. the picks can be flipped. celtics get salary relief and the picks with dame/tatum coming back around the same time. if theyd agree why wouldnt we?

of the deals out there at least in this case the players for us couldnt fit better. like jrue and porz would be perfect if healthy. porz expiring

if its too one sided then add kuzma for one of their guards
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Post#73 » by landoc88 » Mon May 19, 2025 11:24 pm

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MickeyDavis wrote:Jrue is a definite no as a playoff contributor. He was not good this year. As for Khris, who knows what condition he'd be in. He'll likely be bought out at some point next season and then see where he's at if he doesn't cost us anything.


As people post these trade ideas to help the team keep Giannis, it makes me think more and more now is the time to trade him.

Most stuff available is crap and/or older guys. Just what we've been doing the past three years with no success.

In 2021 we had a legit big three options (Giannis/Midds/Jrue). None of these ideas bring us a true #2 or #3 on a contender for obvious reasons (we don't have the assets for it). So how you advance beyond the first round without acquiring a true #2 is a mystery to me.


If the Spurs put out the offer of Castle, Vassell, Johnson and all of their picks (all of them) I’d pull the trigger on the deal. You’re always a contender when you have Giannis, but it’s getting harder to depend on his health as he gets older and plays so physical every night.

Not interested in the Rockets offer at all.



Even if the Rockets put Amen Thompson on the table?
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Post#74 » by ShootingtheJ » Mon May 19, 2025 11:29 pm

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MickeyDavis wrote:Jrue is a definite no as a playoff contributor. He was not good this year. As for Khris, who knows what condition he'd be in. He'll likely be bought out at some point next season and then see where he's at if he doesn't cost us anything.


As people post these trade ideas to help the team keep Giannis, it makes me think more and more now is the time to trade him.

Most stuff available is crap and/or older guys. Just what we've been doing the past three years with no success.

In 2021 we had a legit big three options (Giannis/Midds/Jrue). None of these ideas bring us a true #2 or #3 on a contender for obvious reasons (we don't have the assets for it). So how you advance beyond the first round without acquiring a true #2 is a mystery to me.


You're living in the past. The playoffs are about the weak link now. We have the star. If Doc had played the right guys right away, we'd be in the conference finals right now. We need to add 1 more good player, but it doesn't need to be a star.

If you trade Giannis, we'll likely never be contenders again. Why do you want that so badly?
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Post#75 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Mon May 19, 2025 11:30 pm

jrue was great for the celtics in the playoffs as a 4th-5th option the last couple...just fantastic. we'd probably beat indy if he'd been in kuzma role. this idea hes a playoff bum is silly
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Post#76 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Mon May 19, 2025 11:35 pm

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MickeyDavis wrote:Jrue is a definite no as a playoff contributor. He was not good this year. As for Khris, who knows what condition he'd be in. He'll likely be bought out at some point next season and then see where he's at if he doesn't cost us anything.


As people post these trade ideas to help the team keep Giannis, it makes me think more and more now is the time to trade him.

Most stuff available is crap and/or older guys. Just what we've been doing the past three years with no success.

In 2021 we had a legit big three options (Giannis/Midds/Jrue). None of these ideas bring us a true #2 or #3 on a contender for obvious reasons (we don't have the assets for it). So how you advance beyond the first round without acquiring a true #2 is a mystery to me.


nah...were aligned and you know that but theres a nice pathway to keep him if hes committed. if anything im more critical than you about his game but if we go ALLLLL in around him with shooters and comlimentary guys im not sure its not the ideal setup? i need to see it for a year. let him break records and try to put a...... young/ fast/ shooting /athletic /switch...drop...zone capable shake up defense around him and im curious....im really really curious what that could look like.

i want to see giannis with a peak modern team even if less capable than other traditional modern lineups....see how they can compete. why not? whats to lose? if we crack and look broken....then we can start the trade process at the deadline into next offseason?
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Post#77 » by pifhluk23 » Mon May 19, 2025 11:41 pm

Figure out a way to get Jrue and McCain, resign Bobby, GTJ if cheap enough and KPJ. Find another Sims. Sign Khris after he's bought out, Sign Thanasis. Pure good vibes team and Giannis is happy.

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Post#78 » by German Athens » Mon May 19, 2025 11:46 pm

Value discussion is always interesting to me, because I think, particularly on trade boards, contract value is often grossly overstated.

The value in a player is mostly their ability not their contract.

If you run over to the trade board and search for any Deni thread, you’ll quickly find out from dozens of people he’s on one of the best value contracts, but so many people open with that as a reason why he’s worth way more than ___ firsts. It’s backwards to me.

Remember when Nate Duncan was being super smug in the 2019 off-season about how he’d rather have Brogdon and Bojan than Khris for the same money? Or how Simmons talked about Rozier being 80% of Dame at a third the cost or whatever it was?

You don't get special points for getting the worse player with fewer dollars. You just end up with a TCL NBA team.

Khris was paid the 19th most in 2020, 16th in 2021, 14th in 2022, and 13th in 2023. If we paid him a few mil more, it still would have been good for us. He was a very good player.

Lauri was paid 21st this year, 18th next year, then 25th the following year. I won’t go beyond that, because some extensions will likely eclipse him in the distant future. Next year, where he’s paid the relative highest, if you gave him 2.8m less he’d be the 28th highest paid player instead of 18th.

I just can’t feign outrage over that.

If you think he’s very good, then he’s a good target. If you have reservations about just how good he is, that’s fine, but then the discussion should be about his ability not his contract.

FTR, I know some really like EPM here, he was 16th in EPM two years ago, and then 21st in EPM last year. He was 85th this year. Khris had one season as good as the two best from Lauri, when he was 15th in 2020. The others during the Bud years were in the 40’s and 50’s.
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Post#79 » by MickeyDavis » Mon May 19, 2025 11:50 pm

GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:jrue was great for the celtics in the playoffs as a 4th-5th option the last couple...just fantastic. we'd probably beat indy if he'd been in kuzma role. this idea hes a playoff bum is silly

He was a bum this year. His shooting, scoring, rebounding, assists all down. Turnovers up. Previous years don't matter. He's on a down trajectory. And owed $100 million.
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Post#80 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Tue May 20, 2025 12:07 am

MickeyDavis wrote:
GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:jrue was great for the celtics in the playoffs as a 4th-5th option the last couple...just fantastic. we'd probably beat indy if he'd been in kuzma role. this idea hes a playoff bum is silly

He was a bum this year. His shooting, scoring, rebounding, assists all down. Turnovers up. Previous years don't matter. He's on a down trajectory. And owed $100 million.


nope. wrong. just false. he was nice until forced into a bigger role with tatum out. that last game crapped his numbers hard. but other than **** the bed in the last elimination game but before that...... in the previous 10 games this year he was fine. in fact.....look at the playoff game logs over the last 2 years. a fine complimentary contributor. no doubt about it

dont forget his on/offs with us his last year were the best on the team. he still has value MD....thats if we sent the likes of dame and kuzma and patc out

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