Giannis Thread - 13th Season with the Bucks

[NYG]

Meh, Flagg is the main target if we were to pull the trigger.

Failing that Zion, Murphy, #7 and getting our picks back would be acceptable.

As I proposed last week, Giannis/Kuzma/Pat for Mobley/Garland is not a bad deal. The odds of all these magical picks from other teams actually turning into guys as good as Mobley/Garland is remote.

But that’s why I shill for a Houston deal with Amen/Sengun because then you not only get young floor raisers with upside, but can also get 5 good picks as well.

Not a Bucks fan, but just came here to gauge the general asking price should a trade occur and saw these last 2 posts and now I'm trying to come up with a concept where the Bucks get Zion/Murphy/7/picks back... Rockets get Giannis... Pelicans get 10, 4 future 1sts, filler and some young talent via Houston

[Baddy Chuck]

Zion's fat and unmotivated to play in New Orleans I could only imagine the levels of I don't give a **** he'd have in Milwaukee until he left.

[GrandAdmiralDan]

There’s no way he’s coming back if we trade him. Stop with these fantasies.

I agree and And1 this. Ray Allen never wanted to come back

But let’s see where the family lives. Maybe they stay or maybe they all go.

Ray Allen DID want to come back to the Bucks. He had a handshake agreement with Senator Kohl in the 2005 offseason that if Michael Redd signed elsewhere (most likely Cleveland), Ray would sign here on a 5 year max contract.

[RiotPunch]

Meh, Flagg is the main target if we were to pull the trigger.

Failing that Zion, Murphy, #7 and getting our picks back would be acceptable.

As I proposed last week, Giannis/Kuzma/Pat for Mobley/Garland is not a bad deal. The odds of all these magical picks from other teams actually turning into guys as good as Mobley/Garland is remote.

But that’s why I shill for a Houston deal with Amen/Sengun because then you not only get young floor raisers with upside, but can also get 5 good picks as well.

Not a Bucks fan, but just came here to gauge the general asking price should a trade occur and saw these last 2 posts and now I'm trying to come up with a concept where the Bucks get Zion/Murphy/7/picks back... Rockets get Giannis... Pelicans get 10, 4 future 1sts, filler and some young talent via Houston

I would be calling Charlotte to see what they'd give up for Zion. Is Zion for Nurkic/Williams/4 a hang up? Edgecombe/Trey/Knuepple with picks back is at least interesting.

[worthlessBucks]

As I proposed last week, Giannis/Kuzma/Pat for Mobley/Garland is not a bad deal. The odds of all these magical picks from other teams actually turning into guys as good as Mobley/Garland is remote.

But that’s why I shill for a Houston deal with Amen/Sengun because then you not only get young floor raisers with upside, but can also get 5 good picks as well.

The fans need the hope, thus the desire for many picks. They need to hope and pray one of those picks turns into a player capable of dominating and winning games on their own ala Giannis.

Garland and Mobley on a well built, well coached great team just got bounced. Mobley, although great on the boards and a defensive presence, is not necessarily a player who is going to control games and dominate games on his own. Certainly not offensively, and until the NBA goes back 25 years, you need an offensive star. Garland, meh.

How are the Bucks adding other talent around Garland and Mobley? The assets are depleted. Giannis gives you the tool to restock.

If Giannis goes, you trade him for a gazillion picks and sprinkle in as many talented, cheap young guys you can get. You need miracles and lightning in a bottle. Mobley and Garland just prolongs the inevitable of nowhere.

[NYG]

Meh, Flagg is the main target if we were to pull the trigger.

Failing that Zion, Murphy, #7 and getting our picks back would be acceptable.

As I proposed last week, Giannis/Kuzma/Pat for Mobley/Garland is not a bad deal. The odds of all these magical picks from other teams actually turning into guys as good as Mobley/Garland is remote.

But that’s why I shill for a Houston deal with Amen/Sengun because then you not only get young floor raisers with upside, but can also get 5 good picks as well.

Not a Bucks fan, but just came here to gauge the general asking price should a trade occur and saw these last 2 posts and now I'm trying to come up with a concept where the Bucks get Zion/Murphy/7/picks back... Rockets get Giannis... Pelicans get 10, 4 future 1sts, filler and some young talent via Houston

I would be calling Charlotte to see what they'd give up for Zion. Is Zion for Nurkic/Williams/4 a hang up? Edgecombe/Trey/Knuepple with picks back is at least interesting.

Charlotte Hornets get:
Zion Williamson

Houston Rockets get:
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Pat Connaughton

New Orleans Pelicans get:
Dillon Brooks
Jabari Smith Jr.
Reed Sheppard
Jock Landale
Cam Whitemore
Aaron Holiday
10th Overall Draft Pick
Earliest of Nets/Suns/Rockets 2027 First Round Draft Pick
Two Earliest of Suns/Mavericks/Rockets 2029 First Round Draft Pick
2031 Houston Rockets Unprotected First Round Draft Pick

Milwaukee Bucks get:
Trey Murphy III
Grant Williams
Josh Green
Tidjane Salaun
4th Overall Draft Pick
7th Overall Draft Pick
2026 Bucks Swap Rights Returned (via Pelicans)
2027 Milwaukee Bucks First Round Draft Pick Returned (via Pelicans)

With a 5th team to consolidate roster spots for the Pelicans?

[midranger]

You really have to believe that Jalen Johnson is 23 year old Kawhi Leonard to want him to be the center piece of a Giannis trade.

That said:
Mil:
Jalen Johnson
Dyson Daniels
Mo Gueye
Lauri Markkanen
#13
Return of our 2027 pick

Atlanta:
Giannis

Utah:
Kuzma
Patty
Kobe Bufkin
#22
#47
2026 SAS 1st

KPJ - Rollins
Green -
Daniels -
Johnson - Gueye
Markkanen - Sims

MLE
#13
TPE

Available to us

[NYG]

Is Trey Murphy a must? He seems negative on his current deal... a more simplified version of the above deal...

Charlotte Hornets get:
Zion Williamson

Houston Rockets get:
Giannis Antetokounmpo

New Orleans Pelicans get:
Dillon Brooks
Jabari Smith Jr.
Reed Sheppard
Cam Whitemore
10th Overall Draft Pick
Earliest of Nets/Suns/Rockets 2027 First Round Draft Pick
Two Earliest of Suns/Mavericks/Rockets 2029 First Round Draft Pick
2031 Houston Rockets Unprotected First Round Draft Pick

Milwaukee Bucks get:
Josh Green
Tidjane Salaun
Grant Williams
Jock Landale
4th Overall Draft Pick
7th Overall Draft Pick
2026 Bucks Swap Rights Returned (via Pelicans)
2027 Milwaukee Bucks First Round Draft Pick Returned (via Pelicans)

[RiotPunch]

Not a Bucks fan, but just came here to gauge the general asking price should a trade occur and saw these last 2 posts and now I'm trying to come up with a concept where the Bucks get Zion/Murphy/7/picks back... Rockets get Giannis... Pelicans get 10, 4 future 1sts, filler and some young talent via Houston

I would be calling Charlotte to see what they'd give up for Zion. Is Zion for Nurkic/Williams/4 a hang up? Edgecombe/Trey/Knuepple with picks back is at least interesting.

Charlotte Hornets get:
Zion Williamson

Houston Rockets get:
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Pat Connaughton

New Orleans Pelicans get:
Dillon Brooks
Jabari Smith Jr.
Reed Sheppard
Jock Landale
Cam Whitemore
Aaron Holiday
10th Overall Draft Pick
Earliest of Nets/Suns/Rockets 2027 First Round Draft Pick
Two Earliest of Suns/Mavericks/Rockets 2029 First Round Draft Pick
2031 Houston Rockets Unprotected First Round Draft Pick

Milwaukee Bucks get:
Trey Murphy III
Grant Williams
Josh Green
Tidjane Salaun
4th Overall Draft Pick
7th Overall Draft Pick
2026 Bucks Swap Rights Returned (via Pelicans)
2027 Milwaukee Bucks First Round Draft Pick Returned (via Pelicans)

With a 5th team to consolidate roster spots for the Pelicans?

Lots of moving parts, but it's better than a lot I see proposed. I really like Murphy and Edgecombe though. You think Murphy is a negative value? Interesting.

[emunney]

Absolutely no way I'm trading Giannis for that Hawks package. I'd like that for AD as a core to put around Flagg. But it's not the foundation of a team and would always be in want of a great player.

I like all three of those guys. Daniels is a great piece but will never play a large offensive role. Johnson is good when he's healthy, which is familiar to us at least. Risacher is not a bust, I like him, but he's not the typical #1 overall pick and using that as a selling point for him only draws attention to it. Right in between Wemby and Flagg. **** ouch.

[th87]

Flagg plus is the only thing I can think of that doesn’t make me check out for a half decade. What I find most interesting is a few months ago about 5% of this board was willing to trade him, now it seems like 50% + are there. Consciously or sub consciously seems we are mentally preparing there, we see the end. That’s the real story

I used to think it was interesting to think about what we could get in a Giannis trade but it’s depressing staring it in the face. I couldn’t care less what any report says unless its shams or Haynes breaking the news he’s leaving, but I can’t help but feel like it’s coming to an end just by looking at our situation. I hope it isn’t the end but it sure feels like it.

It's amazing how day by day so many posters lower the value of Giannis thru worse and worse trade ideas. Nothing has really changed, except their fear of losing him for nothing, so they subconsciously lower his trade value.

Stay strong. Flagg or bust until something signifcantly changes.

And don't downplay signing Thanasis. I'd even tempt Giannis by signing his other brother. You don't need 15 guys in the playoffs. But you do need Giannis.

And then they say media has no effect.

We have all the leverage and still possess upside, but posters want to fast-track to the Redd/Mo/Bogut years out of fear of the market. I'd rather risk being hopelessly terrible after two more years of Giannis than guaranteed mediocrity for the rest of the decade.

In a decade, it'll be interesting to look back on what scrubs those precious picks end up yielding.

[JayMKE]

I don’t really see the point of taking a substandard return. There’s no way for the team to remain competitive and acquire future assets, we don’t have our picks so we can’t be tank either. Like Garland/Mobley makes this team into a fringe playoff team maybe? What’s the point? The team cannot be improved. We’d just would need to move these guys eventually too. I’m tuning out a 40 win team just as much as the 20 win team with no picks, it’s miserable either way. Receiving players is pointless unless they’re so young that they still might be here after 2030

Congrats on the terrible trades, best gamble is still trying to retain Giannis even if it risks losing him for nothing.

[AussieBuck]

I'll take the two more seasons of Giannis if we're firing Doc. Giannis, KPJ and a few other dudes can be a rough chance in this era.

[BigO]

I used to think it was interesting to think about what we could get in a Giannis trade but it’s depressing staring it in the face. I couldn’t care less what any report says unless its shams or Haynes breaking the news he’s leaving, but I can’t help but feel like it’s coming to an end just by looking at our situation. I hope it isn’t the end but it sure feels like it.

It's amazing how day by day so many posters lower the value of Giannis thru worse and worse trade ideas. Nothing has really changed, except their fear of losing him for nothing, so they subconsciously lower his trade value.

Stay strong. Flagg or bust until something signifcantly changes.

And don't downplay signing Thanasis. I'd even tempt Giannis by signing his other brother. You don't need 15 guys in the playoffs. But you do need Giannis.

And then they say media has no effect.

We have all the leverage and still possess upside, but posters want to fast-track to the Redd/Mo/Bogut years out of fear of the market. I'd rather risk being hopelessly terrible after two more years of Giannis than guaranteed mediocrity for the rest of the decade.

In a decade, it'll be interesting to look back on what scrubs those precious picks end up yielding.

In a decade, I'll be interested in what the nursing home is serving for supper.

[Frank Nova]

On what planet does Zion and Giannis have almost equal trade value? Is that satire or a serious thing because that’s preposterous on multiple levels.

[Ron Swanson]

We're all just discussing trade packages in the event that he forces our hand. None of these are actually trades that people would look at and say "yeah, that's too good to pass up", right? If these are the best returns you're looking at and he hasn't demanded a trade, then there's absolutely no reason not to just wait until next offseason when these same types of deals will be available anyways.

[CharityStripe34]

I was just in a weekly conference meeting with the big wigs wondering if Giannis and Horst are in their meeting yet. And, coincidentally, our EVP of the region lives outside Milwaukee, and I almost hijacked the meeting to see if he knows Horst and his crew and WTF is going on. I also work for a pretty major sponsor of the Bucks (who also apparently sponsors 6 other teams).

[raferfenix]

New Orleans very likely being awful next year is worth considering with the 2026 swap we owe.

It'd be way painful if the ping pong balls would otherwise give the Bucks #1 or another top pick but end up further back. But that's different than if we were to move out of the lottery entirely.

And of course the whole thing's fixed so the Bucks would get added consideration if we make an Adam Silver approved Giannis trade.

[paulpressey25]

Ben Thompson was on with Bill Simmons last night. Lot of banter where Ben went at Simmons.

Only things of note was he said if Giannis wants to be dealt, he wants to start with Amen from Houston, #2 pick from Spurs or he tossed out a #3 pick plus Maxey and McCain idea.

Simmons said why Philly and Ben said Giannis would want to stay in the East if he's smart.

Didn't catch the rest where they talked Celtics remake.

[soxperry]

One factor in this might be how Dame's decision to ask out of Portland turned out for him. I definitely think it serves as a cautionary tale. You might be further away from contention than you used to be, but at least you're still in YOUR city on YOUR team. It will never be like it is here for him anywhere else. I suspect that matters at least a little.