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Post#62 » by WiscoKing13 » Tue Jul 8, 2025 2:04 am

pilprin wrote:Why would they push that back? To trade him?
Or cut him. Assuming this is pushed to before summer league for around a 100k.

Would assume this is more a signal Bogi is coming over which makes the roster real tight.
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Post#63 » by MikeIsGood » Tue Jul 8, 2025 2:04 am

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He’s getting traded and the pushback allows the teams receiving him to cut him and save money. What teams would want to cut payroll?


Yeah. No read on what's possibly happening but this was my immediate reaction.
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Post#64 » by Bernman » Tue Jul 8, 2025 2:11 am

The simplest explanation is they want to see him at summer league before committing to a yr after next even.

If it was about delaying a trade to a team who viewed him as a prospect, they'd just pick it up. His salary's not valuable for a deal.
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Post#65 » by MickeyDavis » Tue Jul 8, 2025 2:13 am

Bernman wrote:The simplest explanation is they want to see him at summer league before committing to a yr after next even.

If it was about trading him to a team who viewed him as a prospect, they'd just pick it up.

He's played 124 games with 51 starts. Summer League isn't going to make a difference either way.
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Post#66 » by ShootingtheJ » Tue Jul 8, 2025 2:14 am

Bernman wrote:The simplest explanation is they want to see him at summer league before committing to a yr after next even.

If it was about trading him to a team who viewed him as a prospect, they'd just pick it up.


Sure, but we could be unsure if the trade gets finalized. It could also be that we have a specific player in mind that we'd like to add, like Beal, but we'll keep Ajax if we dont land him.

Did we hear of any other players with their guarantee pushed back? Keon Ellis?
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Post#67 » by Bernman » Tue Jul 8, 2025 2:15 am

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Bernman wrote:The simplest explanation is they want to see him at summer league before committing to a yr after next even.

If it was about trading him to a team who viewed him as a prospect, they'd just pick it up.

He's played 124 games with 51 starts. Summer League isn't going to make a difference either way.


It doesn't for me, but I didn't like him from the draft, yet they did. And he's not been terrible. Went from starting half the season to out of the rotation and loafing at the end. Maybe they want to see something before preparing to move on like from Marjon. A lot of draft failures for them.
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Post#68 » by MVP2110 » Tue Jul 8, 2025 2:16 am

I feel like it has to be something about a trade because I can't really imagine they have 3 vet min FAs they want to sign
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Post#69 » by pifhluk23 » Tue Jul 8, 2025 2:17 am

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How in the world is playing zero effort defense, getting beat down the floor by Brook Lopez, walking the ball up on offense, and refusing to throw lobs to Giannis "giving it his all"?

The only thing he brought consistently was selfishness and pouting. All that for $48 million a year.

What a colossal loser. Good bye and good riddance. The team will continue to be better without him.


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Post#70 » by Bernman » Tue Jul 8, 2025 2:21 am

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Bernman wrote:The simplest explanation is they want to see him at summer league before committing to a yr after next even.

If it was about trading him to a team who viewed him as a prospect, they'd just pick it up.


Sure, but we could be unsure if the trade gets finalized. It could also be that we have a specific player in mind that we'd like to add, like Beal, but we'll keep Ajax if we dont land him.

Did we hear of any other players with their guarantee pushed back? Keon Ellis?


He's on the roster regardless and could be traded after we land Beal or whomever.

If he has enough value to add to a trade they'd pick up the option now, then trade him after, to that team, or another.
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Post#71 » by WiscoKing13 » Tue Jul 8, 2025 2:26 am

Bernman wrote:The simplest explanation is they want to see him at summer league before committing to a yr after next even.

If it was about delaying a trade to a team who viewed him as a prospect, they'd just pick it up. His salary's not valuable for a deal.
If he gets significantly injured isn't the deal then guaranteed?

I would assume that's why they waived Livingston and then brought him back on an SL deal.
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Post#72 » by Shaffty » Tue Jul 8, 2025 2:32 am

WiscoKing13 wrote:
Bernman wrote:The simplest explanation is they want to see him at summer league before committing to a yr after next even.

If it was about delaying a trade to a team who viewed him as a prospect, they'd just pick it up. His salary's not valuable for a deal.
If he gets significantly injured isn't the deal then guaranteed?

I would assume that's why they waived Livingston and then brought him back on an SL deal.


they cut livingston so they didn't have to release Rollins' caphold
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Post#73 » by Bernman » Tue Jul 8, 2025 2:32 am

WiscoKing13 wrote:
Bernman wrote:The simplest explanation is they want to see him at summer league before committing to a yr after next even.

If it was about delaying a trade to a team who viewed him as a prospect, they'd just pick it up. His salary's not valuable for a deal.
If he gets significantly injured isn't the deal then guaranteed?

I would assume that's why they waived Livingston and then brought him back on an SL deal.


If Ajax gets significantly injured then the guaranteed part is guaranteed, the unguaranteed part isn't. Injuries are one of the things you're getting the guarantee for, along with you just not being good enough.
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Post#74 » by BroncoBuck » Tue Jul 8, 2025 2:32 am

Ajax is terrible and I cannot wait for him to be gone so we won’t have to see the posts blaming Doc for not playing him.

I fully blame Kevin O’Connor for touting him as this crazy defensive dynamo energy guy to the masses.
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Post#75 » by showtimesam » Tue Jul 8, 2025 2:34 am

The Bucks should throw everything they have left to get a deal done with the Kings for Malik Monk and Keegan Murray. They both fulfill our last remaining needs for a shot creator/ closer in Monk and a big wing that is a lights out shooter/ perimeter defender with length in Murray. The 2031 picks and 2032 swap would be ideal. At the end of the day you have to consider AJ Green as well if needed considering we would now have a complete roster.
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Post#76 » by WiscoKing13 » Tue Jul 8, 2025 2:37 am

Shaffty wrote:
WiscoKing13 wrote:
Bernman wrote:The simplest explanation is they want to see him at summer league before committing to a yr after next even.

If it was about delaying a trade to a team who viewed him as a prospect, they'd just pick it up. His salary's not valuable for a deal.
If he gets significantly injured isn't the deal then guaranteed?

I would assume that's why they waived Livingston and then brought him back on an SL deal.


they cut livingston so they didn't have to release Rollins' caphold
I don't believe that to be true since there are still cap holds for unused roster spots and those are typically higher than the deal a second rounder would be on.
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Post#77 » by ShootingtheJ » Tue Jul 8, 2025 2:38 am

showtimesam wrote:The Bucks should throw everything they have left to get a deal done with the Kings for Malik Monk and Keegan Murray. They both fulfill our last remaining needs for a shot creator/ closer in Monk and a big wing that is a lights out shooter/ perimeter defender with length in Murray. The 2031 picks and 2032 swap would be ideal. At the end of the day you have to consider AJ Green as well if needed considering we would now have a complete roster.


Murray isn't a good shooter, and his shot gets worse every year. The real problem though is the Kings owner loves him, so he's not going anywhere.
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Post#78 » by raferfenix » Tue Jul 8, 2025 2:40 am

Let’s say the Bucks are waiting to guarantee Ajax in case we need the roster spot for a 2 for 1:

Kuzma for Malik Monk (and his extra year of salary) and Keon Ellis.

Definitely skeptical about Monk’s fit here (undersized 2 who can’t defend or distribute ughh) so maybe it’d be a multi-team trade where the Bucks take on some other teams unwanted goods.

Domino that that fell today is the Kings now have the MLE to sign Westbrook as rumored since Schroder was a sign and trade into a TPE.
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Post#79 » by ShootingtheJ » Tue Jul 8, 2025 2:42 am

WiscoKing13 wrote:
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WiscoKing13 wrote:If he gets significantly injured isn't the deal then guaranteed?

I would assume that's why they waived Livingston and then brought him back on an SL deal.


they cut livingston so they didn't have to release Rollins' caphold
I don't believe that to be true since there are still cap holds for unused roster spots and those are typically higher than the deal a second rounder would be on.


Livingston's contract was roughly $900K more than the minimum cap hold.
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Post#80 » by raferfenix » Tue Jul 8, 2025 2:47 am

Monk’s bad defense would be much easier for me to stomach if we’d also be getting a good defender from Sacramento.

Dalton Sell and Sam Vecenie don’t think that’d be necessary:

Sam Vecenie on a recent episode of the Game Theory Podcast, where he suggests the Bucks try to make a play for Malik Monk, sending Kyle Kuzma to Sacramento in return.

"If you're the Kings, your leverage here is to just go to the Warriors and say, 'Look, you're 100 percent right; we do want Jonathan Kuminga, but if you're not willing to do Devin Carter, Malik Monk, and something else, then we're just going to do a thing where we decide, oh, no, we're just going to flip Malik Monk for Kyle Kuzma, and that will be our answer.' If you're the Milwaukee Bucks, you do that in a heartbeat...

The idea is that they kind of want to win now. They need a Kyle Kuzma type of player. Right, who's like a bigger wing. They actually do genuinely need a bigger wing. And they have had interest in him prior, in the prior front office. And a lot of the people who still worked in that prior front office are still there."


He's coming off the most productive season of his career, having averaged 17.2 points, 5.6 assists, and 3.8 rebounds per game. Monk is a bucket-getter from any spot on the floor, and his passing has grown tremendously from when he first came into the league. He could be a starter or reserve who gives the Milwaukee Bucks a massive offensive spark whenever he's on the basketball court.


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