Post game thread: Milwaukee Bucks VS Wizards

Simulack · Post #61 » by **Simulack** » Sat Jan 5, 2008 4:09 am

paulpressey25 wrote:Rilaman....that's the problem....even when some people think he gave a good effort, he still sucks.

My exact point in the game thread.

SpeedBump44 · Post #62 » by **SpeedBump44** » Sat Jan 5, 2008 4:09 am

That was bad tonight. I left at the end of the 3rd quarter. I never heard so much negativity from fans leaving the game as I did tonight.

It reminds me of a joke that the comedian George Wallace use to tell when the Braves stunk... I'll fill in the Bucks where he said the Braves.

"I went to a Bucks game tonight. It was kinda strange, though, because it seemed like I was at church.. Not because it was so quiet. Rather, it was because the whole time I was there, everybody kept shaking their head and saying "Jesus Christ! Jesus! Jesus Christ"

That's what it was like tonight at the BC.

I think the MJS head article should simply read

"Chronic Wasting Disease returns to Wisconsin"

Post #63 » by **paulpressey25** » Sat Jan 5, 2008 4:09 am

Simulack wrote:What is Sparky saying? Has he reconsidered his opinion that we turned the corner during the Chi/NJ games?

Sparky's bored.....he doesn't have anything more to say. I can't blame him.

Gary and Cliff had a debate tonight on their show. Gary said blow it all up....Cliff said he and the city can't take a couple years like the T-Wolves are having (i.e. 4 wins). Gary asked whether blowing it up guarantees a 4-win team at this point....we might still have 10 wins, 12 wins or maybe be a Portland with 18 wins.....blowing it up doesn't mean 4 wins neccessarily.

WEFFPIM · Post #64 » by **WEFFPIM** » Sat Jan 5, 2008 4:10 am

schweig wrote:Trust fall:

"Ready to fall!"

"Ready to catch!"

(Thump!) "OOOWW!"

I'm picturing a rousing game of Duck Duck Goose.

But seriously, I'd rather watch Rosie O'Donnell do a sloth at this point.

paul · Post #65 » by **paul** » Sat Jan 5, 2008 4:11 am

Epicurus wrote:I realize that with Redd and Mason out that Simmons would have extra time, but isn't over 40 minutes a bit much, given his recovery?

How with Redd out does Bogut not bring more to the game? Sooner or later he needs to step up and demand more action--spread down low, get the knees bent, the hands up, and call for the ball, holding his man on his rearend. Then get the ball and move immediately. So what if it doesn't work, what alternative for success is negated?

Epi i think this deserves it own thread, but i'm gonna disagree with you as usual about Bogut. I want him to bring more as well, but his oppurtunity's right now are being limited elsewhere. I'm not sure if you watched tonight but we went to him on the first two plays of the game, he missed a hook and got blocked, and they didn't go to virtually for the rest of the quarter.
Second quarter he started out but when he came in there was a 5 or 6 minute stretch where we went to him repeatedly, and the results were something like this (i watched on LP so can't check the replay) -

Sweet spin move score

Turnover mishandle out of bounds

Quick step move for left hand layup score

Backdown move dish to ivey who

Post #66 » by **paulpressey25** » Sat Jan 5, 2008 4:13 am

paul wrote: If Bogut was used more tonight both his and the teams numbers would have looked far better imo

Paul...you've got to give it up.....no NBA team is centering their offense around "Matt Geiger--part deux"

rilamann · Post #67 » by **rilamann** » Sat Jan 5, 2008 4:15 am

paulpressey25 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Rilaman....that's the problem....even when some people think he gave a good effort, he still sucks. Eddy Curry would have at least put up 24 points in a game like this......or Jeff Foster would have gotten 14-15 rebounds.

Bogut would have had more rebounds if his teammates showed up and played,its hard to get rebounds for the simple fact there isnt many to be had when you don't play a lick of defense and allow a team to shoot 60% (most of the game) from the field.

EastSideBucksFan · Post #68 » by **EastSideBucksFan** » Sat Jan 5, 2008 4:15 am

A few thoughts from tonight

During the halftime show with Craig Coshun and the assistant coach (can't remember who) the asst coach just blasted the team.

He literally said "Well, when our top scorer is out we really need other guys to pick up the slack. You'd think guys would want to pick up the slack. Usually they complain because we have too many Mike iso's. The defense isn't there tonight, the effort level isn't there tonight and we're not knocking down shots"

Jim and John were just speechless at times. McGlocklin was literally pi$$ed off tonight.

"What am I supposed to say here? I'm a color analyst. This is just...horrible"

Craig Coshun later up said "Hey Jon, when you were talking about the championship team, you said even though Kareem was top dog, Oscar was the guy who would be out there directing traffic, holding guys accountable, raise the intensity level. Who on the Bucks, and it doesn't need to be the top scorer, who can be that player?"

Jon replied "Well, it's got to be Mo. He's the point guard, he has the ball in his hands the most. Mo's got the ability to lead this team. He's well liked, but he can get fierce, but he's got a good demenor so guys will listen to him."

then the camera goes to Michael

Craig makes a comment about what about the best player on the team being the guy who is supposed to do that

Jim and Jon continue to talk about leadership and were basically talking directly about Redd, but not talking about Redd.

They talked about the effort level of the team and what are you supposed to do about. The coaches are frustrated and are at their wits end. Basically it's coming down to, we don't have the personnel to raise the level of play on this team. Even when healthy we don't have enough. When we don't have our top player, we're horrible.

I thnk something is brewing in the organization. No doubt. The media is talking about it way too much for something not too happen. The players are giving up, just straight up giving up right now. It's really ugly.

I don't think Redd's the most popular player on the team and thats why he'll never be a real leader, cause guys won't follow him.

I'm not even really sure what we need to do at this point.

Simulack · Post #69 » by **Simulack** » Sat Jan 5, 2008 4:15 am

Listening to Sparky now. Maybe Plamenco will throw out another trade rumor.

schweig · Post #70 » by **schweig** » Sat Jan 5, 2008 4:16 am

In general we can hardly even handle the easy task of riding the hot hand, unless it's Redd. It's not just Bogut although it seems like it might affect him the most. Partly because of substitutions and minutes, but I guess mostly because these guys are basketball idiots.

paul · Post #71 » by **paul** » Sat Jan 5, 2008 4:16 am

paulpressey25 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Paul...you've got to give it up.....no NBA team is centering their offense around "Matt Geiger--part deux"

I was talking about a specific stretch in the second where we went to him PP, you disagree that that stretch meant he deserved to get it more? It's not like anything else was working.

Epicurus · Post #72 » by **Epicurus** » Sat Jan 5, 2008 4:17 am

I fear I was not clear. When Redd is gone, Bogut needs to demand the ball both by word and by posture in the post. Now as someone else just mentioned, the opponent collapse on the low post player is to be expected. Then he needs to pin and flare, which should be an open 10 footer or so. Of course, that assumes a jumper.

Without Redd, I believe the Bucks need to go more to Bogut, but that means he have to create lanes for the passes, whether deep or flaring or curling up. He can just slouch somewhere on the blocks and expect the ball. If he does the posture work and still doesn't see the ball, then he needs to use his weight advantage on his team mates. But what I have seen the last two seasons, he just doesn't set well in the low post.

Simulack · Post #73 » by **Simulack** » Sat Jan 5, 2008 4:17 am

paul wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I was talking about a specific stretch in the second where we went to him PP, you disagree that that stretch meant he deserved to get it more? It's not like anything else was working.

Who was he matched up against for most of that stretch? how did he do against other defenders?

schweig · Post #74 » by **schweig** » Sat Jan 5, 2008 4:17 am

rilamann wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Bogut would have had more rebounds if his teammates showed up and played,its hard to get rebounds for the simple fact there isnt many to be had when you don't play a lick of defense and allow a team to shoot 60% (most of the game) from the field.

yeah, it's no wonder the Bucks had more offensive rebounds tonight!

paul · Post #75 » by **paul** » Sat Jan 5, 2008 4:21 am

Epicurus wrote:I fear I was not clear. When Redd is gone, Bogut needs to demand the ball both by word and by posture in the post. Now as someone else just mentioned, the opponent collapse on the low post player is to be expected. Then he needs to pin and flare, which should be an open 10 footer or so. Of course, that assumes a jumper.

Without Redd, I believe the Bucks need to go more to Bogut, but that means he have to create lanes for the passes, whether deep or flaring or curling up. He can just slouch somewhere on the blocks and expect the ball. If he does the posture work and still doesn't see the ball, then he needs to use his weight advantage on his team mates. But what I have seen the last two seasons, he just doesn't set well in the low post.

Yep good points. We were arguing different positions, i want to see more plays run for him, particularly with Redd out. He does need to demand the ball more and setup stronger at times.

msiris · Post #76 » by **msiris** » Sat Jan 5, 2008 4:21 am

paulpressey25 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Paul...you've got to give it up.....no NBA team is centering their offense around "Matt Geiger--part deux"

I am now feeling like you now. He clearly showed that he can not be an option on offense. Redd out and it is his
time to shine. Even Mo did not even do that much. This team problem is the lack of talent and heart.

unklchuk · Post #77 » by **unklchuk** » Sat Jan 5, 2008 4:23 am

"we could come out of this game having a combined points margin of -80 over the past 3 games.... and one of those being a WIN??"

Good stat.

"You are right and it appears most of this team doesn't consider basketball a team sport either."

Funny & true.

"He owns the team. It his. Not going to fire himself."

Kohl has been failing with his franchise and doggedly persevering with one plan or another, and failing again and fighting his way back to the surface for air and another plan, and repeating the cycle again and again. For so long, SO LONG, that you wonder if the man doesn't have a breaking point, or an ending point. A marathon goes on and on and on but eventually it ends. How much life is left in Herb's tank? Does he want to spend it stretched on the rack of public futility?

paul · Post #78 » by **paul** » Sat Jan 5, 2008 4:25 am

Simulack wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Who was he matched up against for most of that stretch? how did he do against other defenders?

He was matched up against Songaila for half of it and Haywood for the other. Not saying Songaila is Camby on the defensive end, but what i am saying is that stretch should have demanded that he receive the ball more, then if Haywood starts putting it back in his face go away from it, but at least try it. Wasn't like Haywood stopped him when they subbed him in to subdue Bogut in the second, but your right two of the moves were on Songaila.

EastSideBucksFan · Post #80 » by **paulpressey25** » Sat Jan 5, 2008 4:29 am

paul wrote:
Epicurus wrote:I realize that with Redd and Mason out that Simmons would have extra time, but isn't over 40 minutes a bit much, given his recovery?

How with Redd out does Bogut not bring more to the game? Sooner or later he needs to step up and demand more action--spread down low, get the knees bent, the hands up, and call for the ball, holding his man on his rearend. Then get the ball and move immediately. So what if it doesn't work, what alternative for success is negated?

Epi i think this deserves it own thread, but i'm gonna disagree with you as usual about Bogut. I want him to bring more as well, but his oppurtunity's right now are being limited elsewhere. I'm not sure if you watched tonight but we went to him on the first two plays of the game, he missed a hook and got blocked, and they didn't go to virtually for the rest of the quarter.
Second quarter he started out but when he came in there was a 5 or 6 minute stretch where we went to him repeatedly, and the results were something like this (i watched on LP so can't check the replay) -

Sweet spin move score

Turnover mishandle out of bounds

Quick step move for left hand layup score

Backdown move dish to ivey who

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