4-1 without Redd

[Sigra]

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I honestly don't care if we trade Redd. But please, PLEASE not for Jamal Crawford if it happens. That guy is terrible.

Jamal Crawford is the anti-defense and anti-team player.

So he is same as Redd? Only his contract is not that big

[WRau1]

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So he is same as Redd? Only his contract is not that big

Redd's D is terribly underrated on this board. He gives effort every night and has improved his two biggest weaknesses. But hay, I guess someone has to take the blame.

[europa]

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Maybe there was reason why they didn't do that when Mike was here

There was a reason.

They stunk.

[jerrod]

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Who said he didn't play alott of PG? You are the one NOT paying attention.

they did

UNF makes a great point....Mo has been playing two guard a fair amount these last two games....both on offense and defense.....

You are correct it seemed Ivey ran the offense alot until the last quarter and they went to Mo, Bogut, charlie V. alot with Bell spotting up.

[Newz]

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There was a reason.

They stunk.

[showtimesam]

I would love the hinrich and nocioni for redd swap...
Knowing the bulls wouldn't do that, I'd also take a gordon and nocioni deal for redd as well.

If we could blend redd into the team concept it would be great, but he hasn't been able to do that since porters first year with the bucks when he made the all-star team.

[smooth 'lil balla]

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Can they step up when Redd is here though? That's an important question.

No it's not. It's not Redd's fault CB has shot 26% until the last few games. Yes, the Bucks have won, but IMO they've looked pathetically average at best.

Also, ball movement doesn't look much better to me. Mo, Bell, and Ivey were dominating the ball.

Redd being the scapegoat is old, although it is refreshing to see some wins. We just need CV and CB to continue to play well with Redd around and we'll be much, much better.

[smooth 'lil balla]

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So he is same as Redd? Only his contract is not that big

No you didn't! You didn't just compare Redd and Crawford saying Crawford would be the better fit? DID YOU?

[europa]

I think there are points that can be made that maybe - maybe - the Bucks would be better off without Redd. But blaming him for the fact Bell, Villanueva and Simmons have been terrible for most of the season is a huge reach. It's not his fault in the least that each of those players has been a major disappointment thus far.

[ReasonablySober]

I'd also say it's most likely a major reach. But I'll say that the possibility exists (at least somewhat) that their play may have picked up the last few days because the ball movement has been noticibly better.

[BuckFan25226]

I would love the hinrich and nocioni for redd swap...
Knowing the bulls wouldn't do that, I'd also take a gordon and nocioni deal for redd as well.

If we could blend redd into the team concept it would be great, but he hasn't been able to do that since porters first year with the bucks when he made the all-star team.

Why does everyone love Kirk Hinrich so much on here? Has anyone actually watched him this year? He's been brutal.

[BuckFan25226]

I think there are points that can be made that maybe - maybe - the Bucks would be better off without Redd. But blaming him for the fact Bell, Villanueva and Simmons have been terrible for most of the season is a huge reach. It's not his fault in the least that each of those players has been a major disappointment thus far.

Am I the only one who's excited for Redd to get back knowing how well CV and Bell are playing now? Not to mention Bobby Simmons is actually making positive contributions while he's on the court now.

While the past 3 wins have been fun, and they are road wins that we needed desperatly. They have been against 3 bad teams. This team without Redd won't be able to compete against .500+ teams. But we'll be a damn good team if Bell, CV, and Simmons keeps it up when Redd comes back.

EDIT : Europa, I'm not disagreeing with you. I just happened to quote you. I get the impression that some are implying this team is better off without Redd, which is beyone ridiculous. Should we trade Redd for someone who fits in better with this current team? That is a whole nother discussion.

[smooth 'lil balla]

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Yes, what you said, and europa.

[europa]

I'd also say it's most likely a major reach. But I'll say that the possibility exists (at least somewhat) that their play may have picked up the last few days because the ball movement has been noticibly better.

Perhaps though it's worth noting the Bucks are averaging fewer assists per game in the three games Redd has missed than they have averaged with him.

And I don't think ball movement has anything to do with the large number of wide-open shots those three (especially Bell) have missed for most of the season. The ball movement has gotten all three of those guys plenty of open looks this season even when Redd was healthy.

[BuckFan25226]

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Perhaps though it's worth noting the Bucks are averaging fewer assists per game in the three games Redd has missed than they have averaged with him.

That's another thing I noticed. I don't even think our ball movement and "team play" has been that great. We're just hitting open shots for once *cough Charlie Bell cough*! CV is playing like a man possessed, and Bobby seems to be getting his feet back and playing much better defense.

In the 3 road wins we're shooting 47% from the field and 38% from 3.

Mo and Bogut in the 3 road wins.

Mo - 21/7/3/3stl's/2.6TO's

Bogut - 17/11/3.

Good to see. Granted it's been against poor competition, it's something to build on, especially with this west coast swing coming up.

[unklchuk]

Can't say I've seen a big bursting out of assists and ball movement in the last 3 wins (in the parts of each that I've watched).

But some kind of pressure seems lessened. And it seems that things are more flexible and responsive. Little things, like getting a hand on time in the shooter's face, seem to be getting done more widely.

There's a stiffness to having both Redd and Mo in the back court that seems to stile the whole team.

[-Jragon-]

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Maybe there was reason why they didn't do that when Mike was here

Here is why I think we are winning:

1. Redd isn't covering opposing shooting guards who are too quick for his defensive feet.

2. Ivey's defense of point guards is great and takes Mo out of covering guys who are quicker offensively than he is defensively

3. The bench is more motivated because they are sitting watching TEAM basketball and aggressive DEFENSE which is more fun to see and be a part of then the Micheal Redd show


Solution for when Redd is back:

1. Keep starting Ivey at point

2. Keep starting Mo at the 2 (he's more natural there and will handle the ball from that position better then Redd)

3. Start Redd at 3 (he would dramatically improve that position for us - he wouldn't have to handle the ball as much, just shoot open jumpers from the weak side and score on offense like he did on team USA which suits him better.

4. If Mo or Redd start getting scored on, bring in Chalie #1 (Bell)

5. Don't trade Charlie #2 so that when Yi is struggling help (and offense) is on the way.

6. Mason off the bench when he comes back

7. If you need to make a trade, keep Ivey and the Charlies - make available Simmons, Gadz, ect.

[paulpressey25]

Here is why I think we are winning:

1. Redd isn't covering opposing shooting guards who are too quick for his defensive feet.

2. Ivey's defense of point guardsis great and takes Mo out of covering guys who are quicker offensively than he is defensively

3. The bench is more motivated because they are sitting watching TEAM basketball and aggressive DEFENSE which is more fun to see and be a part of then the Micheal Redd show.

I agree with all of those things....the only caveat is that it takes talent to beat the good teams in the league. The hustle and team concept we've seen can allow you to beat Miami, Charlotte and Philly.....but not the teams with winning records. Tonight will be another test in the experiment if Redd doesn't play.

[showtimesam]

Yeah I agree that the ball movement hasn't been much better. Bell last night was making alot of his shots on his own (which is better than the open ones he's been missing before redds injury).

However the defense has gotten better. In regards to redd's defense against 2 guards, I think we'd be better off using him as a three, he's a pretty buff 6'6 two guard right now and while at a height disadvantage against some sf's, he'd at least be as quick or quicker than most.

I'd be all for ivey remaining in the starting lineup as our "pg" with mo and redd, or using the mo/bell/redd combo that worked pretty well last year.

[upnorthfan]

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What does that have to do with me dummy?