Bucks-Jazz Postgame Thread 1/14/08

europa · Post #61 » by **europa** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:57 am

CharlosVllnueva wrote:Well lets see...who was taken 6th in the draft last year?

I believe he won rookie of the year and is a star already.

Obviously, the draft classes are different but what I'm saying is if you let the 6th pick develop, and that includes failure...you're better for it in the long run.

And again I'll state that I'm not saying Yi was a bad pick. I'm saying he isn't ready for the role this team needs and because he isn't ready the team is suffering. Again, that doesn't mean he sucks or the pick was terrible. It just means this team needs more out of its starting PF than Yi is capable of delivering at this point in time.

But it won't. Not even close.

I'm not saying the Jazz would make that trade. Of course they wouldn't. What I'm saying is I'd get rid of both Mo and Redd if it meant adding a big-time PG instead. This team badly needs that type of player at the PG position in my opinion.

parkdale vulture · Post #62 » by **parkdale vulture** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:58 am

Someone else said it earlier in this thread
In a close game you dont put a bunch of scrubs on for the first 5 mins of the qtr and then bring youre better players on when you are 8pts down.
I dont even do that with my u12 team, the best players stay on in the last qtr until the game is safe or totally lost.

trwi7 · Post #63 » by **trwi7** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:58 am

europa · Post #64 » by **europa** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:58 am

xTitan wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I posted on here after William's rookie year I would have traded Redd for him straight up, and thats before William's hit his stride......he is just such a smart leader.

I loved him coming out of college. I was raving him up bigtime on the JS board for months before that draft. I absolutely loved his potential for the NBA. I'm a big fan of his.

unklchuk · Post #65 » by **unklchuk** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:59 am

The players' current inability to play team basketball shows each of them individually in a poor light.

Small examples: Ruffin has stone hands. Yet we force him to try to handle quick passes. Ivey doesn't shoot consistently well. Yet he's given the ball in a clutch situation and little time on the clock.

Coach K just said the Jazz make the plays that they need to make. That's just what the Bucks don't (yet?) know how to do. And when they break down, they break down big.

Coach and commentator Mike (?) both said the Bucks came up with a lot of good quarters against 3 quality opponents - coupled with one terrible quarter in each game. Something positive to take home.

Mike also said the lack of hustle and energy tonight hurt, and commented that he was somewhat surprised to see that lack on offense as well as defense.

xTitan · Post #66 » by **xTitan** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:59 am

Give Larry K. one intelligent guard who is a leader, then if he sucks, so be it....but what can you do when every player goes rogue and just lets there stupidity shine?

okanoho · Post #67 » by **okanoho** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:59 am

yea, just blow the team up
so we get a good brain back
and some vet to control the situation at 4th quarter
what i see now is a bunch of idiots have no control running around
dude they need to go back to college

okanoho · Post #68 » by **okanoho** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:00 am

parkdale vulture wrote:Someone else said it earlier in this thread
In a close game you dont put a bunch of scrubs on for the first 5 mins of the qtr and then bring youre better players on when you are 8pts down.
I dont even do that with my u12 team, the best players stay on in the last qtr until the game is safe or totally lost.

it would be Redd in bucks case
you want him on for the whole 4th quarter?

Superfito · Post #69 » by **Superfito** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:02 am

Even if Redd starts throwing up shots, he's more productive on offense than Gadz and Ruffin lol...

Kerb Hohl · Post #70 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:04 am

Superfito wrote:Even if Redd starts throwing up shots, he's more productive on offense than Gadz and Ruffin lol...

If you want Gadzuric to miss a bunch of crappy fadeaways I'm sure he'd be glad to...

Superfito · Post #71 » by **Superfito** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:05 am

Or anyone else, besides Bogut maybe, for that matter.

Epicurus · Post #72 » by **Epicurus** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:06 am

Take a deep breath, use some perspective, and end the harshness. The third game out of four nights on the road seldom means a victory, except by the excellent teams. Let down happens to most teams in such a situation. The Bucks are at best an average team, C, or C+, if all things go perfectly. That level of team don't win usually 3rd game of road trip.

LUKE23 · Post #73 » by **LUKE23** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:08 am

europa wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

We'll have to agree to disagree then. I think he is a major project. I like the skill set and the potential but he should be getting about 10-15 minutes per game most nights. He just isn't ready for a major role on a good team yet.

Who would you have taken that was there? I just don't agree with you.

He's what, third in rookie scoring? I don't consider that a project. He's hitting a wall due to playing year round right now.

Simulack · Post #74 » by **Simulack** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:09 am

Bogut's FG% over the last 5 is amazing considering he is averaging 19+: 68.97%.

rilamann · Post #75 » by **rilamann** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:09 am

Bogut sticks out like a sore thumb on this team because he is one of the few guys on the entire roster who plays unselfish and plays to win and actually has a basketball IQ.

I can't belive how they went away from Bogut in the 4th (actually I can).When Bogut was getting touches not only was Bogut playing great but the team was playing great due to Bogut touching the ball,like my motto ''when Bogut touches the ball good things happen''.

I just can't belive Larry K puts in Gadz then when Bogut comes back he doesnt touch the ball and of course we lose the game while our guards and Simmons jack up bad shot after bad shot.

I realize Larry K can only work with the players he has but how can he let that go on FOR THE ENTIRE 4TH QTR.Larry K has to nip it in the bud asap and hold the guards accountable for that garbage.

unklchuk · Post #76 » by **unklchuk** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:09 am

As good teams feed off their strengths, so the current Bucks feed off their weaknesses.

I don't think they're as bad as they show. I guess I do think they're a middling team (.500) that currently shows as bad as their record.

Simulack · Post #77 » by **Simulack** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:10 am

LUKE23 wrote:Who would you have taken that was there? I just don't agree with you.

I think Europa is talking more about trading the #6 pick (like the rumored Marion trade) than drafting someone else who would be helping more now.

europa · Post #78 » by **europa** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:11 am

LUKE23 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Who would you have taken that was there?

Again, I'm not saying it was a bad pick. I'm saying the Bucks need more from him than he's currently capable of providing on a consistent basis.

Bogut sticks out like a sore thumb on this team because he is one of the few guys on the entire roster who plays unselfish and plays to win and actually has a basketball IQ.

I've said this many times but the low Basketball IQ of this team never ceases to amaze me. This is a ridiculously dumb basketball team.

Kerb Hohl · Post #79 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:12 am

Epicurus wrote:Take a deep breath, use some perspective, and end the harshness. The third game out of four nights on the road seldom means a victory, except by the excellent teams. Let down happens to most teams in such a situation. The Bucks are at best an average team, C, or C+, if all things go perfectly. That level of team don't win usually 3rd game of road trip.

I wouldn't have minded as much if they had won at least 1 of the first 2.

trwi7 · Post #80 » by **trwi7** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:12 am