PG: Bucks on the Brink

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Everyone's bitch is correct. Failure has many fathers in this situation.

That said, replace Jrue with Lowry, and I think we're closing out this series tomorrow. And yes I realize Jrue is really good and we'd lose a lot defensively. But a "Lowry" would want the rock, and he'd make more happen.

imagine lowry telling lebron or durant or kawhi to give up the rock and go be a roleplayer. come pp no way lowry makes any difference whatsoever to this mess.

reality is we play the EXACT way we should play to get a maximum result and its why we do so well in the reg season. there is no way in hell in crunchtime youre going to be able to tell giannis he needs to be a roleplayer when hes been "the mvp" all season long. thats not to mention that taking the ball out of his hands against 80% of this league is a mistake anyway.

bud figured it out. he maximized this roster of perfect complimentary players for what were trying to do with giannis. this IS our ceiling with giannis.......4 years. two coaches. this is the ceiling. i really truly believe it.

Unfortunately, the only way this will change is if Giannis realizes he's not winning a chip with us and wants to be traded to a team with an existing superstar like GS. In Milwaukee, Giannis will never play second fiddle even if prime Jordan walked into the building.

yeah thats what i thought was the obvious point i was making. he generates his mvps during the season playing a certain way. thats how hes going to play. thats especially how hes going to play in his time in milwaukee

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Is this team with Dame and not Giannis a championship team?

Hell no. I am not even sure it's better than current Portland.
Bucks is the slowest less athletic team in the NBA minus Giannis.
Dame demands a trade mid season while on record 5W / 23L or something
The common Bucks fans but consistent doubters of this team have repeatedly stated the amount of talent we lack on playmaking, athleticism (not named Giannis), overall handles , overall IQ and schemes. A complete disgrace if you considered that the Bucks have traded future multiple assets to form current roster.

giannis has a far better cast and coach but yet the results are very similar.

we can do better than just dame in trade tho. id pass

[Prokorov]

I mean, okay.

But the coach could also install something besides tape boxes around the arc. Three years. No changes. No chemistry. Nothing.

The guy sucks.

Everyone's bitch is correct. Failure has many fathers in this situation.

That said, replace Jrue with Lowry, and I think we're closing out this series tomorrow. And yes I realize Jrue is really good and we'd lose a lot defensively. But a "Lowry" would want the rock, and he'd make more happen.

Lowry owns the nets more then any player in the league... we were fist pumping and high fiving on our board when Philly/Miami failed to trade for him.

[Prokorov]

Middleton should have took the shot there. I trust him and Jrue to be clutch. Giannis not so much.

Middleton's man was in position and going into the air. Giannis should have had a wide open dunk. Middleton made the right play 11/10 times. Jesus christ.

Yep,the pass was right on his hands too.It's ridiculous to blame Middleton for this.

Giannis would have had the ball 3 feet in where we cant just foul and if we did could potentially be looking at a 3 point/and-1 situation. He has to catch it. even if not cleanly, he needs to come up with it.

I'm obviously ignorant to the bucks outside of the small sample i watch, but i dont want a middleton floater with the game on the line.

[Prokorov]

I mean, okay.

But the coach could also install something besides tape boxes around the arc. Three years. No changes. No chemistry. Nothing.

The guy sucks.

Everyone's bitch is correct. Failure has many fathers in this situation.

That said, replace Jrue with Lowry, and I think we're closing out this series tomorrow. And yes I realize Jrue is really good and we'd lose a lot defensively. But a "Lowry" would want the rock, and he'd make more happen.

imagine lowry telling lebron or durant or kawhi to give up the rock and go be a roleplayer. come pp no way lowry makes any difference whatsoever to this mess.

reality is we play the EXACT way we should play to get a maximum result and its why we do so well in the reg season. there is no way in hell in crunchtime youre going to be able to tell giannis he needs to be a roleplayer when hes been "the mvp" all season long. thats not to mention that taking the ball out of his hands against 80% of this league is a mistake anyway.

bud figured it out. he maximized this roster of perfect complimentary players for what were trying to do with giannis. this IS our ceiling with giannis.......4 years. two coaches. this is the ceiling. i really truly believe it.

I love Jrue... im disappointed in what he brought this series (althought as a net fan not gonna cry about it). Jrue is a 22% usage guy. Lowry is defintely giving you more (especially vs the nets) with those shots and possesions. there is an argument lowry has had some playoff failures, but not against the nets. And he also has guarded harden and kyrie as well as anyone we have seen

[FrieAaron]

Middleton's man was in position and going into the air. Giannis should have had a wide open dunk. Middleton made the right play 11/10 times. Jesus christ.

Yep,the pass was right on his hands too.It's ridiculous to blame Middleton for this.

Giannis would have had the ball 3 feet in where we cant just foul and if we did could potentially be looking at a 3 point/and-1 situation. He has to catch it. even if not cleanly, he needs to come up with it.

I'm obviously ignorant to the bucks outside of the small sample i watch, but i dont want a middleton floater with the game on the line.

Yeah, Giannis would have had the ball within what is his dunking range and trying to hack him would probably have been an and-1 opportunity, like you say. We've all seen that play out hundreds of times before. Saying Middleton shouldn't have made that pass only makes sense in hindsight.

[Dick Tate]

Although the Bucks gagged, the Nets are unlikely going to go off like that again.
Bucks in 7.

[fansinceforever]

Is this team with Dame and not Giannis a championship team?

Hell no. I am not even sure it's better than current Portland.
Bucks is the slowest less athletic team in the NBA minus Giannis.
Dame demands a trade mid season while on record 5W / 23L or something
The common Bucks fans but consistent doubters of this team have repeatedly stated the amount of talent we lack on playmaking, athleticism (not named Giannis), overall handles , overall IQ and schemes. A complete disgrace if you considered that the Bucks have traded future multiple assets to form current roster.

giannis has a far better cast and coach but yet the results are very similar.

we can do better than just dame in trade tho. id pass

I promise you we cannot. Dame is a pipedream. If we do overhaul the roster, I'd be shocked to land a player of his caliber.

[RogerMurdock]

There's a ton of hand wringing around here after last night and for good reason. Some of the takes about being better if we trade Giannis need to settle down, though.

After last night, lots of people are saying KD is better than Giannis. It's a reasonable thought, but it's wrong. Giannis is better. The problem for the Bucks, though, is that KD is a lot better at one or two things that the Bucks need right now. Giannis is easily the most dominant player in the game. He quite literally does things that nobody else can do or stop. But he can't shoot more than a few feet away from the basket.

KD can. KD can shoot REALLY well AND he can get his shot whenever he wants. And, as we've seen, we don't have anyone who can come close to that. Someone said Midds is a Wal-Mart version of KD and that's not a bad description. He's basically a shorter, less athletic KD. So when the Nets needed someone to step up and take control, KD was the man. Giannis can't do that because he can't shoot. He can't be trusted to have the ball in his hands in crunch time because he can't shoot and he can't shoot free throws. I'm not concerned with his decision making - he makes plenty of great decisions and passes and some bonehead ones, too.

Despite this severe limitation, though, he's still the most dominant player in the league because 85% of the time, nobody can stop him from getting to the basket if he decides he wants to get to the basket. The team doesn't need him to shoot jumpers. Trading him would be insane. Hopefully they can keep filling in around him (not having DDV really hurts) and *fingers crossed* hopefully he can work on some post moves and a midrange game. We can see the midrange game forming - that short jumper isn't too bad - and we can see he's been trying some short moves/hooks, but he just needs to get better at them (for instance, don't throw the ball on a line toward the basket - let it roll off your fingertips in an arc).

[Thanos1985]

i am still angry .

[MissKhriddleton]

There's a ton of hand wringing around here after last night and for good reason. Some of the takes about being better if we trade Giannis need to settle down, though.

After last night, lots of people are saying KD is better than Giannis. It's a reasonable thought, but it's wrong. Giannis is better. The problem for the Bucks, though, is that KD is a lot better at one or two things that the Bucks need right now. Giannis is easily the most dominant player in the game. He quite literally does things that nobody else can do or stop. But he can't shoot more than a few feet away from the basket.

KD can. KD can shoot REALLY well AND he can get his shot whenever he wants. And, as we've seen, we don't have anyone who can come close to that. Someone said Midds is a Wal-Mart version of KD and that's not a bad description. He's basically a shorter, less athletic KD. So when the Nets needed someone to step up and take control, KD was the man. Giannis can't do that because he can't shoot. He can't be trusted to have the ball in his hands in crunch time because he can't shoot and he can't shoot free throws. I'm not concerned with his decision making - he makes plenty of great decisions and passes and some bonehead ones, too.

Despite this severe limitation, though, he's still the most dominant player in the league because 85% of the time, nobody can stop him from getting to the basket if he decides he wants to get to the basket. The team doesn't need him to shoot jumpers. Trading him would be insane. Hopefully they can keep filling in around him (not having DDV really hurts) and *fingers crossed* hopefully he can work on some post moves and a midrange game. We can see the midrange game forming - that short jumper isn't too bad - and we can see he's been trying some short moves/hooks, but he just needs to get better at them (for instance, don't throw the ball on a line toward the basket - let it roll off your fingertips in an arc).

The most dominant player in the league has been stifled by 4 guys standing in front of him for the last 2 postseasons and this year has shown an undeniable tendency to make horrible decisions and choke when it matters. Please stop talking.

[DingleJerry]

There's a ton of hand wringing around here after last night and for good reason. Some of the takes about being better if we trade Giannis need to settle down, though.

After last night, lots of people are saying KD is better than Giannis. It's a reasonable thought, but it's wrong. Giannis is better. The problem for the Bucks, though, is that KD is a lot better at one or two things that the Bucks need right now. Giannis is easily the most dominant player in the game. He quite literally does things that nobody else can do or stop. But he can't shoot more than a few feet away from the basket.

KD can. KD can shoot REALLY well AND he can get his shot whenever he wants. And, as we've seen, we don't have anyone who can come close to that. Someone said Midds is a Wal-Mart version of KD and that's not a bad description. He's basically a shorter, less athletic KD. So when the Nets needed someone to step up and take control, KD was the man. Giannis can't do that because he can't shoot. He can't be trusted to have the ball in his hands in crunch time because he can't shoot and he can't shoot free throws. I'm not concerned with his decision making - he makes plenty of great decisions and passes and some bonehead ones, too.

Despite this severe limitation, though, he's still the most dominant player in the league because 85% of the time, nobody can stop him from getting to the basket if he decides he wants to get to the basket. The team doesn't need him to shoot jumpers. Trading him would be insane. Hopefully they can keep filling in around him (not having DDV really hurts) and *fingers crossed* hopefully he can work on some post moves and a midrange game. We can see the midrange game forming - that short jumper isn't too bad - and we can see he's been trying some short moves/hooks, but he just needs to get better at them (for instance, don't throw the ball on a line toward the basket - let it roll off your fingertips in an arc).

IDK, imo the bolded is what makes KD clearly better. Especially this: "So when the Nets needed someone to step up and take control, KD was the man. Giannis can't do that because he can't shoot. He can't be trusted to have the ball in his hands in crunch time because he can't shoot and he can't shoot free throws."

That's more important than anything else.

[MrHoneycutt]

... and *fingers crossed* hopefully he can work on some post moves and a midrange game. We can see the midrange game forming - that short jumper isn't too bad - and we can see he's been trying some short moves/hooks, but he just needs to get better at them (for instance, don't throw the ball on a line toward the basket - let it roll off your fingertips in an arc).

Very much agreed. Bud rightfully gets a ton of flack for refusing to change things up -- or changing things up at times and then going back to being stubborn -- but Giannis shoulders a lot of the blame there, too. His refusal to change up the FT routine and insistence on jacking up 3s is an ongoing disaster, but I do see progress in his midrange game. He just needs to work on some touch like you say. If just a few more of those babies were dropping through this is an entirely different series.

[DrWood]

What do stats say about what was added to his game? Lol

so if someone does something better, that's not improving? It's in the freaking definition:
improve | imˈpro͞ov |
verb
make or become better.

He averaged one more rebound and also shot .1% worse. I'd call that a push unless you got some other stats to lay on me. He's still a poor fundamental player and hasn't added much if anything to his offensive skillset. which was my original point, but whatever

2.4 more rebounds per 36 minutes. that's a lot.

[FrieAaron]

IDK, imo the bolded is what makes KD clearly better. Especially this: "So when the Nets needed someone to step up and take control, KD was the man. Giannis can't do that because he can't shoot. He can't be trusted to have the ball in his hands in crunch time because he can't shoot and he can't shoot free throws."

That's more important than anything else.

I don't necessarily agree with this. It just makes them different. When you can impact the game in so many different ways, why do you have to be the player taking the last shot for your team in order for you to be the best player? We gave Giannis other options to do that for him. The problem is he clearly agrees with this take and so feels it's incumbent on him to take the game into his own hands. It's really not, at least not completely. Regardless of who's guarding him, he doesn't need to take turnaround jumpers, or pull up for big threes. That doesn't mean the ball should never touch Giannis - I think Khris last night gave him the ball in a perfect position for him to make something happen, he just fumbled it.

[DrWood]

The Nets went small barely playing Claxton. The Nets outrebounded the Bucks 36-35. Kevin Durant was free to grab 17 defensive rebounds as Lopez stood his way to one offensive rebound. Giannis had 0 offensive rebounds.

ZERO!

When Durant gets 17 defensive rebounds to Lopez/Giannis combined 1 offensive rebound, that's inexcusable. Embarrassing.

a lot of that is on PJ. he doesn't box out consistently and has very bad instincts at rebounding.

[DrWood]

The tragedy of this playoff season is the way other teams are falling like bowling pins and we can't find the pocket. But we aren't rolling gutter balls either.

Maybe it's too soon for Giannis at age 26 to show the kind of championship-level playoff poise that Michael Jordan didn't really acquire until age 28, and after a college apprenticeship Giannis didn't have. Or maybe it never comes.

But at least I think game seven in this series will.

I think Giannis is closest to Dominique Wilkins than the Goat

Wilkins was a poor defender and an inefficient shooter. Their only similarity is their ability to get on highlight reels.

[DrWood]

Is this team with Dame and not Giannis a championship team?

we're undoubtedly worse with Lillard.

[RogerMurdock]

The most dominant player in the league has been stifled by 4 guys standing in front of him for the last 2 postseasons and this year has shown an undeniable tendency to make horrible decisions and choke when it matters. Please stop talking.

I know a guy who can get you some cheap Xanax.

[MissKhriddleton]

The most dominant player in the league has been stifled by 4 guys standing in front of him for the last 2 postseasons and this year has shown an undeniable tendency to make horrible decisions and choke when it matters. Please stop talking.

I know a guy who can get you some cheap Xanax.

If taking some Xanax is what allows you to believe that Giannis is better than KD after watching yesterday’s game, then hook me up.