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[blazza18]

Spoiler:

What the ****.

Does John Schuhmann think Prince is a point guard or something? What a weird thing for him to care about.

That was your takeaway?

I understand it's a way to praise Middleton just think it's a weird way to frame it.

[ReasonablySober]

Does John Schuhmann think Prince is a point guard or something? What a weird thing for him to care about.

That was your takeaway?

I understand it's a way to praise Middleton just think it's a weird way to frame it.

I took it as an indictment on the rest of the offense.

[emunney]

I read it as mainly about their connection, but it's a bit of a Rorschach

[ReasonablySober]

I read it as mainly about their connection, but it's a bit of a Rorschach

Good point.

[ShootingtheJ]

Total raw rebounding numbers isn't any sort of true measure of how good a rebounding team you are though. They're 19th in REB% this season, and they were 5th last season. Last 4-seasons:

19th
5th
14th
12th

So yeah, last season was an outlier and I'd say they're pretty much the exact definition of a mediocre rebounding team. The Celtics in recent years are basically the poster child of why teams have generally become fine punting on rebounding in favor of playing 5-out.

Outlier or leaving out the whole KP thing that was the original point of my statement lol.

That’s why I’m using last year’s numbers and not this years. We cannot trot out that small ball lineup against the White, Jrue, Brown, Tatum, KP lineup. They were the best rebounders in the league per 100 last year with him because that lineup can rebound across the board.

If you want to look at this year’s numbers percentage wise we are statistically the worst offensive rebounding team in the league even though we have two seven footers in our starting lineup and we aren’t great at transition defense. Gary Trent makes everyone else on the floor look like Dennis Rodman in comparison.

This team isn’t close to having the personnel to run small ball against Boston. We just banished Grayson Allen for getting lit up by Tatum and now we’re arguing Trent, Green and Dame will work when the inevitable switch comes.

I don’t get why you keep using per-100 rebounding stats because that’s a completely pace reliant number that doesn’t really mean anything, but if you think that we can’t run a small-ball crew against Boston, then I have no idea how you otherwise expect to beat them. It shouldn’t be rocket science when you already have the most defensively versatile 4/5 in the league.

Per 100 is pace reliant? Is that a typo?

[ShootingtheJ]

Hit me with your best Jimmy trades!

Fck... imagine if we could get Jimmy as 3rd banana to Dame and Giannis.. geez... I'd give up any young guys they want

Hope you realize that financially to acquire Jimmy we need to move Dame.

Doesn't matter, we're not getting Jimmy.

[Ron Swanson]

Guys, this isn’t that complicated.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/total-rebounding-percentagE?date=2024-06-18

Nobody uses raw per-minute rebounding totals when there’s rebounding %. As for the assertion that KP is the key to it….

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/porzikr01/on-off/2024

They were literally a worse rebounding team with him on (50.7%) the court as opposed to off (52.5%) lol.

[KidA24]

Outlier or leaving out the whole KP thing that was the original point of my statement lol.

That’s why I’m using last year’s numbers and not this years. We cannot trot out that small ball lineup against the White, Jrue, Brown, Tatum, KP lineup. They were the best rebounders in the league per 100 last year with him because that lineup can rebound across the board.

If you want to look at this year’s numbers percentage wise we are statistically the worst offensive rebounding team in the league even though we have two seven footers in our starting lineup and we aren’t great at transition defense. Gary Trent makes everyone else on the floor look like Dennis Rodman in comparison.

This team isn’t close to having the personnel to run small ball against Boston. We just banished Grayson Allen for getting lit up by Tatum and now we’re arguing Trent, Green and Dame will work when the inevitable switch comes.

I don’t get why you keep using per-100 rebounding stats because that’s a completely pace reliant number that doesn’t really mean anything, but if you think that we can’t run a small-ball crew against Boston, then I have no idea how you otherwise expect to beat them. It shouldn’t be rocket science when you already have the most defensively versatile 4/5 in the league.

Per 100 is pace reliant? Is that a typo?

Per 100 for rebounds is much more a factor of how many 3s you shoot and your opponents do.

If your shooting percentage is lower cuz you shoot more threes there are more rebounds available.

[drone3]

Dame for Jimmy works

[RiotPunch]

Dame for Jimmy works

Who is playing point guard in this silly scenario?

[drone3]

Dame for Jimmy works

Who is playing point guard in this silly scenario?

was Jrue a point guard?

[RiotPunch]

Dame for Jimmy works

Who is playing point guard in this silly scenario?

was Jrue a point guard?

Not really seeing your point. Jrue was our point guard in many ways, but many thought he would be a better fit at SG. You need guards to get the ball up the floor against pressure. You don't want Giannis/Khris/Jimmy bringing the ball up all game, and I'd bet that offense looks pretty damn clunky with Khris/Jimmy operating in similar spaces, and our offense is already clunky enough.

If you could make a follow-up deal, or a 3-way, it would at least be *somewhat* defensible, like:

#1
MKE: Jimmy
MIA: Dame

#2
MKE: Sexton
GSW: Portis
UTA: Melton, Connaughton, Beauchamp, GSW '25 1st

[-Jragon-]

Dame for Jimmy works

Counterproductive. It took Dame and Giannis a yr to get chemistry.. that trade makes this a throwaway year. Plus we give the best player-- HOF Dame.. big nope

[drone3]

Who is playing point guard in this silly scenario?

was Jrue a point guard?

Not really seeing your point. Jrue was our point guard in many ways, but many thought he would be a better fit at SG. You need guards to get the ball up the floor against pressure. You don't want Giannis/Khris/Jimmy bringing the ball up all game, and I'd bet that offense looks pretty damn clunky with Khris/Jimmy operating in similar spaces, and our offense is already clunky enough.

If you could make a follow-up deal, or a 3-way, it would at least be *somewhat* defensible, like:

#1
MKE: Jimmy
MIA: Dame

#2
MKE: Sexton
GSW: Portis
UTA: Melton, Connaughton, Beauchamp, GSW '25 1st

I like Dame don't get me wrong but adding Jimmy who is probably the toughest guy in the league and going all in on D feels closer to championship than trying to hide Dame on D every other play.

Like the idea of the follow up trade for Sexton or whoever we could get to handle the ball

[soxperry]

I need some help with this one:

Andre and AJ rank as two of the highest +/- on the team. I think Andre was around +6.8 and AJ +3.4 going into last night's game

But when you pull up Bball Index and look at their overall LEBRON rating, they are each among the worst on the team with Bobby as our third best player (actually has a strong defensive rating).

Now, maybe i just answered my own question, but if you pull up other teams it seems to paint a fairly accurate picture.

So for those who know more about all of this, what's the explanation here?

[soxperry]

Who is playing point guard in this silly scenario?

was Jrue a point guard?

Not really seeing your point. Jrue was our point guard in many ways, but many thought he would be a better fit at SG. You need guards to get the ball up the floor against pressure. You don't want Giannis/Khris/Jimmy bringing the ball up all game, and I'd bet that offense looks pretty damn clunky with Khris/Jimmy operating in similar spaces, and our offense is already clunky enough.

If you could make a follow-up deal, or a 3-way, it would at least be *somewhat* defensible, like:

#1
MKE: Jimmy
MIA: Dame

#2
MKE: Sexton
GSW: Portis
UTA: Melton, Connaughton, Beauchamp, GSW '25 1st

In theory we are better but Jimmy seems to be hurt every other playoffs

[ShootingtheJ]

Guys, this isn’t that complicated.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/total-rebounding-percentagE?date=2024-06-18

Nobody uses raw per-minute rebounding totals when there’s rebounding %. As for the assertion that KP is the key to it….

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/porzikr01/on-off/2024

They were literally a worse rebounding team with him on (50.7%) the court as opposed to off (52.5%) lol.

I ageee that rebound percentage is the more telling stat, but what does per 100 have anything to do with minutes?

[ShootingtheJ]

Dame for Jimmy works

Counterproductive. It took Dame and Giannis a yr to get chemistry.. that trade makes this a throwaway year. Plus we give the best player-- HOF Dame.. big nope

Present day Dame isn't HOF Dame, that was Dame in his 20s. Dame won't even be an All-Star this year.

No, I don't want Jimmy either.

[Baddy Chuck]

Present day Dame isn't HOF Dame, that was Dame in his 20s. Dame won't even be an All-Star this year.

What's that bet look like.

[Profound23]

Dame for Jimmy works

Who is playing point guard in this silly scenario?

In this scenario, I personally would try to trade Bobby for Dennis Schroder. Don't know if there is a way to do that but we definitely become a more complete starting five.

Main concerns with this is:
1.) we are now older
2.) inconsistency, now you have more change on the roster and have to figure it out
3.) Butler has been injured the last three years
4.) Now we don't have a backup big

I say leave the roster alone unless some unrealistic deal is staring us in the face.