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[Ron Swanson]

Call it whatever you want. I get that some of you guys believe that the KPJ/Green/Trent/Giannis/Bobby lineup was the magic elixir that would have potentially won us that series if only we played it a little more and that's fine. It was still our most used lineup by a landslide (64-minutes) with a 106.3 offensive rating (yikes) and a 100.0 defensive rating (great!). For reference though, OKC is statistically anchoring one of the greatest postseason defenses ever relative to league average, and they're only sporting a 105.7 defensive rating. Doc is a basketball terrorist, but I'm not letting my hatred for him fool me into thinking that we were gonna win that series with a simple lineup tweak when they were clearly the more talented and deeper team, and have only proven that more as the playoffs have rolled on.

[JonHeist]

the thing is brown has 4 years 280mil left and the Celtics are DEEP into the tax if they don't shed salary

I don't think deal based around Dame for Brown is realistic, but it's at least somewhat possible


idk how many teams are going to give up assets to pay brown 60m a year

No it’s impossible. They could unload Brown on the Nets and get picks if they simply want to unload him. Nets do that in a heartbeat. That’s before mentioning they can duck the second apron by instead trading Jrue and KP and Hauser while letting Horford walk.

if the nets do that they're really dumb

wouldn't say it's a guarantee they'd offer anything good at all

[JonHeist]

Call it whatever you want. I get that some of you guys believe that the KPJ/Green/Trent/Giannis/Bobby lineup was the magic elixir that would have potentially won us that series if only we played it a little more and that's fine. It was still our most used lineup by a landslide (64-minutes) with a 106.3 offensive rating (yikes) and a 100.0 defensive rating (great!). For reference though, OKC is statistically anchoring one of the greatest postseason defenses ever relative to league average, and they're only sporting a 105.7 defensive rating. Doc is a basketball terrorist, but I'm not letting my hatred for him fool me into thinking that we were gonna win that series with a simple lineup tweak when they were clearly the more talented and deeper team, and have only proven that more as the playoffs have rolled on.

ridiculously pessimistic

[BigO]

Call it whatever you want. I get that some of you guys believe that the KPJ/Green/Trent/Giannis/Bobby lineup was the magic elixir that would have potentially won us that series if only we played it a little more and that's fine. It was still our most used lineup by a landslide (64-minutes) with a 106.3 offensive rating (yikes) and a 100.0 defensive rating (great!). For reference though, OKC is statistically anchoring one of the greatest postseason defenses ever relative to league average, and they're only sporting a 105.7 defensive rating. Doc is a basketball terrorist, but I'm not letting my hatred for him fool me into thinking that we were gonna win that series with a simple lineup tweak when they were clearly the more talented and deeper team, and have only proven that more as the playoffs have rolled on.

Calling removing Kuzma and Prince from the lineup a "tweak" shows that you don't understand the magnitude of that change. It proved itself over numerous games. It was a huge difference.

Secondly, you ignore the Giannis factor, as we are all guilty of from time to time. He was unstoppable and the coach put him in wth lineups that were untenable.

I already said I don't know if they win the series. Undoubtedly, Carlisle is a very good coach and would have made adjustments, unlike Doc. But it would have been a more competitive series. That's hardly debateable.

[rilamann]

Doc was an abomination in the Pacers series.

Yet even with that, the Bucks were a blown 7 point lead in the final 35 seconds of overtime of game 5 from doing the unthinkable and forcing the mighty Indiana Pacers to play a game 6.

Or if Trent simply makes a routine play that he makes 999 times out 1000. The Bucks are heading home with momentum for a game 6.

Then there would have been a real possibility that we would have went to a game 7. With the ultimate guy to have in a Win or go home game scenario on our side in Giannis.

What if we had went to a game 7 and Giannis had one of his 40+ 20+ 10+ games. Or what if it went to a game 7 and the Pacers simply just had a day where they went cold and didn't shoot the ball well.

If the Bucks have a competent head coach. Or Even if Doc had simply just played the common sense lineups beginning in game 1.

It is very arguable that the Bucks could have won the series vs the Pacers.

[tedbrogen]

the thing is brown has 4 years 280mil left and the Celtics are DEEP into the tax if they don't shed salary

I don't think deal based around Dame for Brown is realistic, but it's at least somewhat possible


idk how many teams are going to give up assets to pay brown 60m a year

No it’s impossible. They could unload Brown on the Nets and get picks if they simply want to unload him. Nets do that in a heartbeat. That’s before mentioning they can duck the second apron by instead trading Jrue and KP and Hauser while letting Horford walk.

if the nets do that they're really dumb

wouldn't say it's a guarantee they'd offer anything good at all

Taking on an allstar for a few protected picks is absolutely what the Nets should do. Even with Brown, they’d still have easy avenues to sign a max guy if one became available.

I know Brown has a giant contract but I think a ton of people are underrating how good he is in order to do some mental gymnastics as to why the Celtics should give him away to the Bucks.

It’s going to be pretty hilarious when a Tatum-less Celtics lead By Brown finish with a better record than a Gianni’s’ Bucks squad next season. (Although some of that will be because White is also vastly underrated and the Celtics have a coach who at least understands modern NBA pace and spacing while the Bucks have Kuz and the Doc)

[Ron Swanson]

I'm not debating that it wouldn't have been a "more competitive series" if we had a better coach than potato-brain Doc. The reality is that our 5-best and healthy/available players that series were Giannis, Bobby, and three minimum contract dudes. I'm cool with retaining whoever you can from that group, but it's much more out of necessity than it is of any illusion I'd have about those guys ever coagulating into a legitimate starting lineup for a championship contender.

[fansinceforever]

Ron Swanson's post isn't pecimistic at all. It's an accurate representation of what occured and where our roster WAS. Several of those guys probably won't t even be on the team.

The Pacers are better than we are. They probably were better last season too. I get this is a fan board but why do we have to convince ourselves of something literally no one else is seeing?

[tedbrogen]

Guys, Brown has proven he can be the #2 option on a title team and even outplay the #1 option during some of the run to a title. The Celtics are not trading him for a one legged Dame no matter how much you wish for it.

He’s the third to last guy they would trade to save money. The first being Tatum for obvious reasons and second being Pritchard because C’s fans would riot if they traded him and he is on a bargain contract.

[paulpressey25]

Call it whatever you want. I get that some of you guys believe that the KPJ/Green/Trent/Giannis/Bobby lineup was the magic elixir that would have potentially won us that series if only we played it a little more and that's fine. .

Agree with all your posts. We weren't winning that series.

And go back and look at people's preseason predictions. Some were made on the basis that last year we had the greatest statistical five-man lineup or whatever and assumed that would translate to 60 wins.

Bottom line is we were a middling 48-win team that didn't compete well against good teams. But with Giannis we could beat the crap out of weak teams who have no answer for him.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Doc was an abomination in the Pacers series.

Yet even with that, the Bucks were a blown 7 point lead in the final 35 seconds of overtime of game 5 from doing the unthinkable and forcing the mighty Indiana Pacers to play a game 6.

Or if Trent simply makes a routine play that he makes 999 times out 1000. The Bucks are heading home with momentum for a game 6.

Then there would have been a real possibility that we would have went to a game 7. With the ultimate guy to have in a Win or go home game scenario on our side in Giannis.

What if we had went to a game 7 and Giannis had one of his 40+ 20+ 10+ games. Or what if it went to a game 7 and the Pacers simply just had a day where they went cold and didn't shoot the ball well.

If the Bucks have a competent head coach. Or Even if Doc had simply just played the common sense lineups beginning in game 1.

It is very arguable that the Bucks could have won the series vs the Pacers.

trent would have had to continue on his runner tho. the lineup helped but trent was simply shooting and scoring out of his ass in a very unsustainable way.

id love to use that last lineup as a framework for what comes next but i also agree with Swanson that we shouldnt put to much into all those actual guys being the golden ticket

[emunney]

The problem isn't so much that what those guys where doing was unsustainable as it is that there weren't enough of them. You can't put it entirely on Doc that if he played any one of three guys who had large roles on the team by design, we sucked. The Comeback Lineup is the starting point, a proof of concept. It's not the goal.

[Baddy Chuck]

Our second most used lineup in that series had a +18 net rating and included Brook, Kuzma and Dame .

[rilamann]

Doc was an abomination in the Pacers series.

Yet even with that, the Bucks were a blown 7 point lead in the final 35 seconds of overtime of game 5 from doing the unthinkable and forcing the mighty Indiana Pacers to play a game 6.

Or if Trent simply makes a routine play that he makes 999 times out 1000. The Bucks are heading home with momentum for a game 6.

Then there would have been a real possibility that we would have went to a game 7. With the ultimate guy to have in a Win or go home game scenario on our side in Giannis.

What if we had went to a game 7 and Giannis had one of his 40+ 20+ 10+ games. Or what if it went to a game 7 and the Pacers simply just had a day where they went cold and didn't shoot the ball well.

If the Bucks have a competent head coach. Or Even if Doc had simply just played the common sense lineups beginning in game 1.

It is very arguable that the Bucks could have won the series vs the Pacers.

trent would have had to continue on his runner tho. the lineup helped but trent was simply shooting and scoring out of his ass in a very unsustainable way.

id love to use that last lineup as a framework for what comes next but i also agree with Swanson that we shouldnt put to much into all those actual guys being the golden ticket

If Trent doesn't go full Bill Buckner in game 5. There is a game 6 in Milwaukee.

If the Bucks win game 6 at home, there is a game 7 and the Bucks have Giannis.

I am not saying the Bucks would have won the series if they had a competent head coach or if Doc played the proper lineups.

I am saying the Bucks would have had a real chance to win the series.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Doc was an abomination in the Pacers series.

Yet even with that, the Bucks were a blown 7 point lead in the final 35 seconds of overtime of game 5 from doing the unthinkable and forcing the mighty Indiana Pacers to play a game 6.

Or if Trent simply makes a routine play that he makes 999 times out 1000. The Bucks are heading home with momentum for a game 6.

Then there would have been a real possibility that we would have went to a game 7. With the ultimate guy to have in a Win or go home game scenario on our side in Giannis.

What if we had went to a game 7 and Giannis had one of his 40+ 20+ 10+ games. Or what if it went to a game 7 and the Pacers simply just had a day where they went cold and didn't shoot the ball well.

If the Bucks have a competent head coach. Or Even if Doc had simply just played the common sense lineups beginning in game 1.

It is very arguable that the Bucks could have won the series vs the Pacers.

trent would have had to continue on his runner tho. the lineup helped but trent was simply shooting and scoring out of his ass in a very unsustainable way.

id love to use that last lineup as a framework for what comes next but i also agree with Swanson that we shouldnt put to much into all those actual guys being the golden ticket

If Trent doesn't go full Bill Buckner in game 5. There is a game 6 in Milwaukee.

If the Bucks win game 6 at home, there is a game 7 and the Bucks have Giannis.

I am not saying the Bucks would have won the series if they had a competent head coach or if Doc played the proper lineups.

I am saying the Bucks would have had a real chance to win the series.

im not disagreeing. im just saying trent would have needed to keep being steph 2.0....if he could have held up then damn straight we could have won it. in the two games we were competitive he went 17-29 from 3 and averaged 35 ppg. thats nuts.

in the games he didnt go off we got our ass kicked in so im just pointing that out. its rare random vet min guys are hitting 8-9 3's a game on killer efficiency dropping 35 but he did it twice that series. if he could have done it twice more then for sure we might have had them. he was the x factor

[ShootingtheJ]

Call it whatever you want. I get that some of you guys believe that the KPJ/Green/Trent/Giannis/Bobby lineup was the magic elixir that would have potentially won us that series if only we played it a little more and that's fine. .

Agree with all your posts. We weren't winning that series.

And go back and look at people's preseason predictions. Some were made on the basis that last year we had the greatest statistical five-man lineup or whatever and assumed that would translate to 60 wins.

Bottom line is we were a middling 48-win team that didn't compete well against good teams. But with Giannis we could beat the crap out of weak teams who have no answer for him.

We beat every good team in the west.

[ShootingtheJ]

Doc was an abomination in the Pacers series.

Yet even with that, the Bucks were a blown 7 point lead in the final 35 seconds of overtime of game 5 from doing the unthinkable and forcing the mighty Indiana Pacers to play a game 6.

Or if Trent simply makes a routine play that he makes 999 times out 1000. The Bucks are heading home with momentum for a game 6.

Then there would have been a real possibility that we would have went to a game 7. With the ultimate guy to have in a Win or go home game scenario on our side in Giannis.

What if we had went to a game 7 and Giannis had one of his 40+ 20+ 10+ games. Or what if it went to a game 7 and the Pacers simply just had a day where they went cold and didn't shoot the ball well.

If the Bucks have a competent head coach. Or Even if Doc had simply just played the common sense lineups beginning in game 1.

It is very arguable that the Bucks could have won the series vs the Pacers.

trent would have had to continue on his runner tho. the lineup helped but trent was simply shooting and scoring out of his ass in a very unsustainable way.

id love to use that last lineup as a framework for what comes next but i also agree with Swanson that we shouldnt put to much into all those actual guys being the golden ticket

If Trent doesn't go full Bill Buckner in game 5. There is a game 6 in Milwaukee.

If the Bucks win game 6 at home, there is a game 7 and the Bucks have Giannis.

I am not saying the Bucks would have won the series if they had a competent head coach or if Doc played the proper lineups.

I am saying the Bucks would have had a real chance to win the series.

I do think we needed 1 more competitive wing to win the series, so let's go get another wing.

Sounds like we're finally moving on from our playoff albatross at center. That alone gives us hope moving forward.

[buckboy]

I bet OKC would give us 24 for our ‘26 swap.

I’d like to attach that to a larger deal where we send out that and ‘31, and I’ve been using that in most of my recent proposals.

Maybe we could find another team to work with instead of OKC.

You're referencing a swap of a swap right?

I doubt they'd do 24 for that. Maybe though.

[German Athens]

I bet OKC would give us 24 for our ‘26 swap.

I’d like to attach that to a larger deal where we send out that and ‘31, and I’ve been using that in most of my recent proposals.

Maybe we could find another team to work with instead of OKC.

You're referencing a swap of a swap right?

I doubt they'd do 24 for that. Maybe though.

Correct. They’d get the right to swap with either us or Nop, depending on who ends up with the worse pick.

Honestly, I think OKC would be more likely to say yes than us. They just won 68 games and we won 48, but we are down our 2nd best player for the whole year.

They also already have 13 guaranteed roster spots going into next year + 2 club options with Jaylin and ajay. They may not want to bring in 2 rookies.

[th87]

Doc was an abomination in the Pacers series.

Yet even with that, the Bucks were a blown 7 point lead in the final 35 seconds of overtime of game 5 from doing the unthinkable and forcing the mighty Indiana Pacers to play a game 6.

Or if Trent simply makes a routine play that he makes 999 times out 1000. The Bucks are heading home with momentum for a game 6.

Then there would have been a real possibility that we would have went to a game 7. With the ultimate guy to have in a Win or go home game scenario on our side in Giannis.

What if we had went to a game 7 and Giannis had one of his 40+ 20+ 10+ games. Or what if it went to a game 7 and the Pacers simply just had a day where they went cold and didn't shoot the ball well.

If the Bucks have a competent head coach. Or Even if Doc had simply just played the common sense lineups beginning in game 1.

It is very arguable that the Bucks could have won the series vs the Pacers.

trent would have had to continue on his runner tho. the lineup helped but trent was simply shooting and scoring out of his ass in a very unsustainable way.

id love to use that last lineup as a framework for what comes next but i also agree with Swanson that we shouldnt put to much into all those actual guys being the golden ticket

If Trent doesn't go full Bill Buckner in game 5. There is a game 6 in Milwaukee.

If the Bucks win game 6 at home, there is a game 7 and the Bucks have Giannis.

I am not saying the Bucks would have won the series if they had a competent head coach or if Doc played the proper lineups.

I am saying the Bucks would have had a real chance to win the series.

Counterpoint: the Bucks are a Wisconsin team