Woelfel - 70% bogut's gone and maybe Jennings (update pg131)

[jimmybones]

I've said it a few times, but I'll say it again because I think it's a good idea. Why not just let lottery teams put protection on their 2012 pick? I'd accept top-6 protection, with top-3 protection next year and no protection in 2014. That would be a reasonable gamble for both sides.

Probably would give you a better shot at maximizing the asset but this management seems more worried about winning tonight than they do legitimately winning in the future.

[Kerb Hohl]

Bogut, Harris, Gooden, and Jackson for McGee, Blatche, Lewis, and an unprotected 2012 1st.

Absolutely zero percent chance the Wiz trade their 2012 pick unprotected.

And let's be honest - the Wiz don't have a whole lot of motivation to go hard after Bogut. They may want him, but they're not going to give up the farm for him.

That trade is basically a top 6 pick for Bogut/Harris. You don't think that's good value for Washington?

Obviously we never know if the #2 pick will bust, but it's horrible value.

If you had Anthony Davis and expected him to be the next superstar, would you trade him for Bogut and Tobias Harris? Especially if your team currently sucked?

[paulpressey25]

A lot of people are saying wait and get more, but then what happens if he gets injured again ala M. Redd. Then his trade value goes to zero and the team gets nothing.

Yeah, I hope we've learned our lesson on that one. I would have loved a Bogut for Horford even up swap back on January 15th. Call Atlanta. Get er done. I think Atlanta would have jumped on that one. But we waited too long.

If there is something remotely good available right now, get it done. Move on. Let Kohl plan the team for once without him relying on Bogut to provide 15/12/3 for 75 games a year. This takes away Kohl's security blanket.

[Kerb Hohl]

I just can't see much of a scenario where we bring Bogut back up to full speed for the 2012/2013 season and we get a ton better value.

Chances are we get the same or worse, and we've wasted yet another year getting to that point.

The shrewdest of GMs/franchises might have the balls to trade him if his value suddenly rises back up to 2009 levels, but We're not that team.

Plus, in that scenario:
1. A lotto team would have to be in position to make that offer. It happens infrequently, but it would have to be available right then.
2. He'd hurt that lotto pick for whatever team after we trade him to that team.
3. We have to hope that he is healthy and actually GETS to this stage of trade value.

[LUKE23]

You do realize that as of today vs. The offseason, Boguts value is not going to decrease right? He isn't even playing right now. You are acting like he's in the middle of his FTD run or something. I know people want a deal, but you need to play this smart. Trading him for a mid 1st and irrelevant vet is the opposite of smart.

[randy84]

Wow. This reminds me of the trade Redd threads before he got hurt. A lot of people are saying wait and get more, but then what happens if he gets injured again ala M. Redd. Then his trade value goes to zero and the team gets nothing.

Don't understand the tankers on this. Luke you are a huge tank guy and you must realize that Bogut is going to kill any chance of tanking, especially if he is healthy.

I would be willing to take McGee and 1 for Bogut. At least I can laugh at an athletic center instead of a plodding center. Hell they might even be able to pull off a couple of alley oops.

Best case scenerio McGee sucks and we get another high pick next year.

Bogut will have zero impact on the tank this year.

Of course we would do McGee and their 1st, it isn't happening. They are sitting at 2 right now.

But won't Bogut affect the tank moving forward? After all we are more than one tank season from contending.

[Miasma]

I don't know if this has been posted, but hoopshype is saying Bogut is requesting the trade.

http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm

[bango_the_buck]

Obviously we never know if the #2 pick will bust, but it's horrible value.

If you had Anthony Davis and expected him to be the next superstar, would you trade him for Bogut and Tobias Harris? Especially if your team currently sucked?

Okay, I'll play. If you had Cody Zeller and didn't expect him to be the next superstar, would you trade him for Bogut and Tobias Harris?

[LUKE23]

I said this season. We can move him now or offseason. You don't move him now far a poor return.

[Kerb Hohl]

You do realize that as of today vs. The offseason, Boguts value is not going to decrease right? He isn't even playing right now. You are acting like he's in the middle of his FTD run or something. I know people want a deal, but you need to play this smart. Trading him for a mid 1st and irrelevant vet is the opposite of smart.

His value won't change by this offseason.
The pick will most likely be a 2013 pick at that point.
He will hurt the value of that 2013 lotto pick.

Who do you think is going to offer a 2012 lotto pick for Bogut after this season ends? Probably the same teams that are offering for him now.

I also said young asset that is decent. Some solid 21 year old kid, not 27 or something, FWIW.

If the debate is between now and the offseason it isn't a massive deal to me, but we're going to wait longer is the issue. I'd just rather get it done now.

[randy84]

You do realize that as of today vs. The offseason, Boguts value is not going to decrease right? He isn't even playing right now. You are acting like he's in the middle of his FTD run or something. I know people want a deal, but you need to play this smart. Trading him for a mid 1st and irrelevant vet is the opposite of smart.

Not true. What if Bogut's ankle doesn't heal properly? Or what if he ankle gets worse during rehab?

[Kerb Hohl]

Obviously we never know if the #2 pick will bust, but it's horrible value.

If you had Anthony Davis and expected him to be the next superstar, would you trade him for Bogut and Tobias Harris? Especially if your team currently sucked?

Okay, I'll play. If you had Cody Zeller and didn't expect him to be the next superstar, would you trade him for Bogut and Tobias Harris?

Uhhh...sure? What does that have to do with anything?

[Newz]

There are three opinions held by posters now:

1. The people who want to tank and are willing to take what our players are worth now because they are truly ready to rebuild.
2. The people who have been saying they want to tank for about two years+ now, but seem to always want to wait to deal our players because something better is bound to come along.
3. "Optimists".

[paulpressey25]

You do realize that as of today vs. The offseason, Boguts value is not going to decrease right?

I don't think his value goes up in the off-season though. It is what it is. Then again, remember when Pryzzy slipped in the shower at his house? Things happen although I'm not that concerned about some outlier like that.

There might be a team at the deadline though who would make an impulse move they might not otherwise make. If that opportunity is there, I want to take it.

[Newz]

You do realize that as of today vs. The offseason, Boguts value is not going to decrease right? He isn't even playing right now. You are acting like he's in the middle of his FTD run or something. I know people want a deal, but you need to play this smart. Trading him for a mid 1st and irrelevant vet is the opposite of smart.

Not true. What if Bogut's ankle doesn't heal properly? Or what if he ankle gets worse during rehab?

Or his back starts acting up again or his production is the same as it was this year or he hurts some other part of his body or his arm isn't really fully healed.

[LUKE23]

What if aliens abduct him? What if he grows a second head?

[Kerb Hohl]

There are three opinions held by posters now:

1. The people who want to tank and are willing to take what our players are worth now because they are truly ready to rebuild.
2. The people who have been saying they want to tank for about two years+ now, but seem to always want to wait to deal our players because something better is bound to come along.
3. "Optimists".

Well, those would have had to have been around for 2 years or so now. And, granted, our conversations aren't the voices in John Hammond's head...but, look what waiting has done for us.

Since the end of FTD I can think of nearly nothing positive for this franchise. They haven't won, they haven't gotten high enough in the lottery, they haven't tried to move out of mediocrity, they haven't had a kid show he could be a multiple-time All Star. We just sit and wait every year.

[Newz]

What if aliens abduct him? What if he grows a second head?

You realize Bogut has been prone to injury, correct?

You also realize that he may come back and play against this season, yes?

You realize that if he does that, there is a chance he hurts his ankle again, his back flares up, his production is just awful, his arm still isn't allowing him to play at the level he is capable of or he could just suffer another injury, right? Those things could all hurt his value and could all possibly happen... with an injury prone guy like Bogut, they have a lot higher chance to happen than with most players.

[worthlessBucks]

What if aliens abduct him? What if he grows a second head?

Twice the migraines IMO.

[trwi7]

What if he grows a second head?

Double the moodiness and stupid accent.