'14 Draft Thread pt 2: vote again? VOTE AGAIN.

[Turk Nowitzki]

Still think he goes #1. If it's to the Bucks, and I hope that's the case, it's going to require some scary-level roster turnaround.

That's one of the problems I have with taking Embiid. You're trusting a GM who an extensive history of terrible trades to reshape the roster again via trade.

[engelmartin]

I think it's about time we start talking about the second round! 31 is prime position to snatch up whoever slips this year.

Three guys I like:

Spoiler:

Wayne Selden would be awesome. Super athletic 6 "5 with a 6"11 wingspan. Probably will climb into the late teens, though:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jNvab69Yfg[/youtube]
Still impressed with Bogdan Bogdanovich, regardless of his hilarious name. Everyone can use another 3 and D guy in the second. Probably should aim higher than him though.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHuTnAFNJQM[/youtube]
People are still sleeping on Alex Polythress too. Definitely a tweener but can do a bit of everything and has smooth athleticism:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DHj-MhGBjU[/youtube]

[engelmartin]

Giannis can be our "wow" guy. Last night's action proved that big time.

Embiid then is like the franchise QB in the NFL, who guarantees you a 50-win season every year.

Think Parker could have a similar effect. Keep you in games night in and night out, we just haven't had a consistent/efficient scorer like he has the potential to be in a long time.

I'd still be happy with any of Wiggins/Parker/Embiid though.

[driese0824]

:drool:

I really think the only way the Bucks would end up with Embiid is to pick 3 and for Wiggins and Parker to go 1 and 2. I just think they won't be able to look past the combination of the name/hype of those two in conjunction with thinking they are set at the C position.

That's why I'm not getting my hopes up, but I do think it is the right move. Trade for Sanders for Schroder and you have an international team of long and tremendously talented players who may just be willing to all stay in Milwaukee. Oh, and rebrand too, please. New unis for a new era.

heres what I don't understand all season we have been clamouring for a go to guy a alpha male,yet a lot on this board are willing to for go that to draft a center who well may not be ready for a year,though some think hes a sure fire star.I feel what this teasm needs is the perverbial WOW FACTOR and to me its either wiggins or parker.
They need an athletic wing someone who can score who will work in tandem with giannis.To draft embiid then trade sanders to me its almost like you just waisted your first pick(I know embbid not a waiste) on a sanders clone and we are right back where we were before the draft,still needing a SG and another wing.
I know im in the minority a lot on this board but I would take exxum,parker and wiggins before I would even think bout taking a center

1) "we" is not "me" regarding the "alpha" stuff. I want to build the best team, and to draft who I think is the best prospect.
2) drafting for "WOW FACTOR" is a recipe for drafting a bust. You draft the best prospect.
3) if you think Embiid is a Sanders clone, you just don't know anything about Embiid. That is a preposterous statement.
4) I think your overall thinking is what makes teams draft busts. Drafting for need and wow factor is the exact wrong philosophy when your team is in shambles and only has one franchise player (who happens to be one of the most versatile players in the league)

fair enough maybe the word clone was wrong to use im just saying that it would be nice to get a guy who could be that go to guy a guy who could consistently bring u 18 to 20 a night ,but i'll believe this board that this guy embbid as you say can be that franchise QB that will get you 50 wins,over a guy like wiggins who most people say has no limit to how good he really can be.

[breakchains]

I just think it's not a good enough reason to pass on a franchise center. Especially when the other prospects are not teflon either.

Plus, I'm of the opinion that we'll probably have to trade one of Sanders or Henson long term anyway. If we took Embiid, I would move Sanders, and see if you can make an Embiid/Henson front line work. Embiid is far more talented offensively than either, and has range. Regardless, I want to start winning asap after this draft, so Henson could still play a valuable role in playing C as Embiid develops on the run. Then, if they can't coexist, if Henson is actually good, he should hold plenty of value around the league to flip for more value. Giannis and Embiid would be the franchise players, and hopefully a creating PG. I would slot Middleton as my 2 guard, and look for a stretch 4.

I think a Giannis/Embiid duo is so intriguing. Both are extremely long and just naturally gifted basketball players. You have your big, and you have your star wing who can really play any of the 1-4 positions. And, both are passionate players. One thing not talked about Embiid's game is his passion. He has a bit of a mean streak to him and plays with fire. Same with Giannis.

[driese0824]

Giannis can be our "wow" guy. Last night's action proved that big time.

Embiid then is like the franchise QB in the NFL, who guarantees you a 50-win season every year.

Think Parker could have a similar effect. Keep you in games night in and night out, we just haven't had a consistent/efficient scorer like he has the potential to be in a long time.

that's what I have been thinking by reading a lot of posters on here,i see a lot no go to guy,no alpha guy to take over games no one besides giannis to put fans in the stands.I gues sthat my wow factor is imagining wiggins or parker running with giannis and Henson and yes even sanders.Plus I for one would love to have someone who can consistently drive the lane shoot outside and actually score something the bucks miss sorely.Embiid may turn out to be that quote(franchise guy) but then again so might wiggins and parker and sanders might become a better player with wings like this

[driese0824]

I just think it's not a good enough reason to pass on a franchise center. Especially when the other prospects are not teflon either.

Plus, I'm of the opinion that we'll probably have to trade one of Sanders or Henson long term anyway. If we took Embiid, I would move Sanders, and see if you can make an Embiid/Henson front line work. Embiid is far more talented offensively than either, and has range. Regardless, I want to start winning asap after this draft, so Henson could still play a valuable role in playing C as Embiid develops on the run. Then, if they can't coexist, if Henson is actually good, he should hold plenty of value around the league to flip for more value. Giannis and Embiid would be the franchise players, and hopefully a creating PG. I would slot Middleton as my 2 guard, and look for a stretch 4.

I think a Giannis/Embiid duo is so intriguing. Both are extremely long and just naturally gifted basketball players. You have your big, and you have your star wing who can really play any of the 1-4 positions. And, both are passionate players. One thing not talked about Embiid's game is his passion. He has a bit of a mean streak to him and plays with fire. Same with Giannis.

don't the bucks already have a stretch 4 on their tema in the name of ersan,to me he would be perfect with embiid if that's who they pick in fact doesn't ersan fit better with embiid than Henson seeing Henson has no jump shot to speak of.I agree with you on sanders n that he will go if embiid is there man,but ersan would be a perfect compliment next to embiid wouldn't he

[engelmartin]

.Embiid may turn out to be that quote(franchise guy) but then again so might wiggins and parker and sanders might become a better player with wings like this

It's funny to me, Parker is the "safe pick" out of the guys in this year's draft, but he's still got a ton of untapped potential. He's 18 years old, is already 6"8 230(ish), and could easily fill out that frame. I bet he tests better than expected at the combine as well. The doubts about his defensive ability are probably overblown, too, Giannis and Sanders could help minimize that.

I'm still wondering what Giannis's true position ends up being. If he fills out, he could be a nightmare at the 4 (or any other position really)

[driese0824]

I just think it's not a good enough reason to pass on a franchise center. Especially when the other prospects are not teflon either.

Plus, I'm of the opinion that we'll probably have to trade one of Sanders or Henson long term anyway. If we took Embiid, I would move Sanders, and see if you can make an Embiid/Henson front line work. Embiid is far more talented offensively than either, and has range. Regardless, I want to start winning asap after this draft, so Henson could still play a valuable role in playing C as Embiid develops on the run. Then, if they can't coexist, if Henson is actually good, he should hold plenty of value around the league to flip for more value. Giannis and Embiid would be the franchise players, and hopefully a creating PG. I would slot Middleton as my 2 guard, and look for a stretch 4.

I think a Giannis/Embiid duo is so intriguing. Both are extremely long and just naturally gifted basketball players. You have your big, and you have your star wing who can really play any of the 1-4 positions. And, both are passionate players. One thing not talked about Embiid's game is his passion. He has a bit of a mean streak to him and plays with fire. Same with Giannis.

plus to be honest if mayo isn't traded if you get that quality center who can score as you say and Henson does develop a jumpshot I think mayo would be perfect at the 2 that why he doesn't need to be your 1st option course that is only if giannis can improve his shooting and embiid(if that's their guy) can continue to improve his o game

[randy84]

If you are drafting Embiid, then you could trade Sanders for E.Gordon who would be your 15-20 pts. a night guy. Next year Sanders and E.Gordon's salary will be close and make trading easier.

Still may have a PG problem unless Wolters can find his shot, but your starters next year could be:

Knight/Wolters
Gordon/Mayo
Giannis/Middleton
Henson/Ersan
Embiid/Rad/Henson

or some combination.

[paulpressey25]

While the league has moved away from emphasizing the center position, is that due to changes in the league or the lack of great centers?

I'm old school on this and look back to this lineage starting from the 1984 draft.....

Hakeem #1 overall
Ewing #1 overall
Robinson #1 overall
Daugherty #1 overall
Shaq #1 overall
Alonzo Mourning #2 overall (behind Shaq)
Duncan #1 overall

Those teams just seem to always in the conversation for conference finals appearances. Agreed there have been busts and guys that didn't measure up. It comes down to how you feel about Embiid. For me, he's going to end up being mentioned in that grouping above a decade from now.

[driese0824]

.Embiid may turn out to be that quote(franchise guy) but then again so might wiggins and parker and sanders might become a better player with wings like this

It's funny to me, Parker is the "safe pick" out of the guys in this year's draft, but he's still got a ton of untapped potential. He's 18 years old, is already 6"8 230(ish), and could easily fill out that frame. I bet he tests better than expected at the combine as well. The doubts about his defensive ability are probably overblown, too, Giannis and Sanders could help minimize that.

I'm still wondering what Giannis's true position ends up being. If he fills out, he could be a nightmare at the 4 (or any other position really)

I like parker a lot though his last 3 games have been very so so but he does have massive potential and would fit very well with giannis to,i am not sure though if parker is a 4,i have heard that hes playing out of position at duke and most college experts think hes a better 3,either case that would be a nice problem to have and again if u can get a consistent scorer besides mayo and knight that would take a lot of pressure off these guys to knowing theres another stud now who can take over a game.
I still want wiggins and parker 1 and 1A,,then embiid I guess.

[breakchains]

Well, we're stuck with Mayo either way. I personally have no respect for him, as I think he's lazy and just not dialed in. I can't stand lazy players at any level, let alone pro athletes. But he is a good shooter, and if he got his act together he could play a valuable role for the next couple years. I would bring him off the bench and have Middleton start at the 2.

As for Ersan, I'm not really a fan either. I think he's getting old, I think he's got tunnel vision, and just is not a consistent player. I'd prefer a young replacement at that stretch 4 position. I think the Bucks need to go young across the entire roster. Get rid of the guys who have been stuck on losing teams for their careers and bring in new blood who won't be willing to accept losing as easily. And get new uniforms. And obviously a new coach.

[ChuckBros4Life]

I think it's about time we start talking about the second round! 31 is prime position to snatch up whoever slips this year.

Three guys I like:

Spoiler:

Wayne Selden would be awesome. Super athletic 6 "5 with a 6"11 wingspan. Probably will climb into the late teens, though:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jNvab69Yfg[/youtube]
Still impressed with Bogdan Bogdanovich, regardless of his hilarious name. Everyone can use another 3 and D guy in the second. Probably should aim higher than him though.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHuTnAFNJQM[/youtube]
People are still sleeping on Alex Polythress too. Definitely a tweener but can do a bit of everything and has smooth athleticism:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DHj-MhGBjU[/youtube]

#31 would be a perfect place to grab our PG of the future, Deonte Burton

[youtube]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QKg4aRqAgy0[/youtube]

[breakchains]

If you are drafting Embiid, then you could trade Sanders for E.Gordon who would be your 15-20 pts. a night guy. Next year Sanders and E.Gordon's salary will be close and make trading easier.

Still may have a PG problem unless Wolters can find his shot, but your starters next year could be:

Knight/Wolters
Gordon/Mayo
Giannis/Middleton
Henson/Ersan
Embiid/Rad/Henson

or some combination.

Please don't include Knight in the starting lineup in any scenario for next year. Please.

I'd also rather use Sanders to find a PG, if I can. I think Middleton and Mayo can hold down the 2 guard position.

[driese0824]

If you are drafting Embiid, then you could trade Sanders for E.Gordon who would be your 15-20 pts. a night guy. Next year Sanders and E.Gordon's salary will be close and make trading easier.

Still may have a PG problem unless Wolters can find his shot, but your starters next year could be:

Knight/Wolters
Gordon/Mayo
Giannis/Middleton
Henson/Ersan
Embiid/Rad/Henson

or some combination.

randy I didn't even think bout that u know if that would happen I would be all on board to drafting embiid,gordon would be ideal next to giannis and ersan or Henson.Thats not a bad starting 5 u have there and ur right Gordon can easily be that 15 to 20 a game guy we need,and if things don't pan out with mayo u can have him as your 6th man off the bench along with middleton

[breakchains]

While the league has moved away from emphasizing the center position, is that due to changes in the league or the lack of great centers?

I'm old school on this and look back to this lineage starting from the 1984 draft.....

Hakeem #1 overall
Ewing #1 overall
Robinson #1 overall
Daugherty #1 overall
Shaq #1 overall
Alonzo Mourning #2 overall (behind Shaq)
Duncan #1 overall

Those teams just seem to always in the conversation for conference finals appearances. Agreed there have been busts and guys that didn't measure up. It comes down to how you feel about Embiid. For me, he's going to end up being mentioned in that grouping above a decade from now.

This highlights why I feel so strong about Embiid. A big time big man can almost single-handedly make you a perennial contender. And I think the answer to your question is that there haven't been many good C's. It is no coincidence that Indiana's rise has coincided with Hibbert's improvement. Or Orlando's finals appearance, and Dwight's play at the time. Also, that the teams that give the Heat the most problems are those with good big men.

[driese0824]

Well, we're stuck with Mayo either way. I personally have no respect for him, as I think he's lazy and just not dialed in. My least favorite type of player is a lazy player. But he is a good shooter, and if he got his act together he could play a valuable role for the next couple years. I would bring him off the bench and have Middleton start at the 2.

As for Ersan, I'm not really a fan either. I think he's getting old, I think he's got tunnel vision, and just is not a consistent player. I'd prefer a young replacement at that stretch 4 position. I think the Bucks need to go young across the entire roster. Get rid of the guys who have been stuck on losing teams for their careers and bring in new blood who won't be willing to accept losing as easily. And get new uniforms. And obviously a new coach.

I know people question his age but man hes only 26 or is it 28 either way that's not old and with better scoring from your 3 spot and mosre consistency from the 2 spot and a center that can contribute something I think ersans game becomes better to.I like as the 6th man and I also think that if hes not the #1 scoring option his game will improve.

[randy84]

If you are drafting Embiid, then you could trade Sanders for E.Gordon who would be your 15-20 pts. a night guy. Next year Sanders and E.Gordon's salary will be close and make trading easier.

Still may have a PG problem unless Wolters can find his shot, but your starters next year could be:

Knight/Wolters
Gordon/Mayo
Giannis/Middleton
Henson/Ersan
Embiid/Rad/Henson

or some combination.

randy I didn't even think bout that u know if that would happen I would be all on board to drafting embiid,gordon would be ideal next to giannis and ersan or Henson.Thats not a bad starting 5 u have there and ur right Gordon can easily be that 15 to 20 a game guy we need,and if things don't pan out with mayo u can have him as your 6th man off the bench along with middleton

Let's say Embiid still needs more time to develop. You could still run with Henson at the center spot until Embiid gets up to speed.

[Thunder Muscle]

I'm avoiding Parker. Guaranteed he takes that 2 year Mormon Mission (per wire tap) if we draft him.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/231423/Many-GMs-Would-Still-Consider-Jabari-Parker-No-1-Overall-If-He-Went-On-Mormon-Mission