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Post#621 » by Ron Swanson » Fri Feb 7, 2025 3:18 am

Jericho Sims is gonna be awesome if Doc has the balls to play him, but having 4 guys on your roster that need to play minutes at Center is really dumb roster construction so idk what the plan is with him honestly.
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Post#622 » by Willie Colon » Fri Feb 7, 2025 3:18 am

I'm hoping KPJ gets a fair shot. His skillset was a bit redundant with the Clippers but he should fit right in with us (theoretically). We desperately needed another competent ball handler.
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Post#623 » by fansinceforever » Fri Feb 7, 2025 3:22 am

Honestly, they should give KPJ every opportunity to play often and show what he can do. He's the x factor.

This team is going to need playmakers and shot creators in a bad way. If he can get back to his '22-'23 efficiency numbers then we have something.
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Post#624 » by MickeyDavis » Fri Feb 7, 2025 3:22 am

GiannisAnte34 wrote:This team is cooked. They should seriously sell Giannis while they can still get a Kareem level return that keeps them stocked for a tier 2 run for a while.

Kareem level return that never won a title. Or even made the finals.
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Post#625 » by CJTURT » Fri Feb 7, 2025 3:24 am

We keep talking about all these players that are coming in and are going out. We fail to recognize That we have a coach who has 1 championship in over 20 years of coaching, and for the most part had really good players around him. When does Doc Rivers have accountability?
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Post#626 » by JonHeist » Fri Feb 7, 2025 3:28 am

Ron Swanson wrote:Jericho Sims is gonna be awesome if Doc has the balls to play him, but having 4 guys on your roster that need to play minutes at Center is really dumb roster construction so idk what the plan is with him honestly.


Bobby should never play center
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Post#627 » by theFireBlanket » Fri Feb 7, 2025 3:29 am

CJTURT wrote:We keep talking about all these players that are coming in and are going out. We fail to recognize That we have a coach who has 1 championship in over 20 years of coaching, and for the most part had really good players around him. When does Doc Rivers have accountability?


Hindsight is looking like they should've stayed with the Spurs model & run it back last year.

With Bud there was stability. Could still swap Dame & Jrue. Eh.
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Post#628 » by machu46 » Fri Feb 7, 2025 3:30 am

Ron Swanson wrote:Can Kuzma really even create? That's another thing I thought we needed to get back if we were trading Khris, but Kuzma's always been a trash ISO scorer (17th and 39th percentile the last two seasons) and his playmaking isn't much better (19th and 38th percentile in P&R efficiency) even if he puts up decent assist numbers. He's also a bad catch and shoot guy (28% and 35% on threes). Like, he's been a pretty bad player for the past 2-3 years now if you look past the box score.


I would say yes, but it's not at the kind of efficiency you'd ideally want. There's still value in that; guys like Jamal Crawford for example provided value as guys that could carry the offense for stretches on middling/below average efficiency.

With Kuzma, the hope is that as the #3 or #4 guy in the offense, he'll be attacking more mismatches, fewer help defenders, picking his spots better, etc. than he dealt with in Washington. It's certainly a risk, but I think his ability to score in a variety of ways, even if at mediocre at best efficiency, is a helpful thing to have on a team that doesn't have a lot of that.
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Post#629 » by -Jragon- » Fri Feb 7, 2025 3:31 am

Ron Swanson wrote:Can Kuzma really even create? That's another thing I thought we needed to get back if we were trading Khris, but Kuzma's always been a trash ISO scorer (17th and 39th percentile the last two seasons) and his playmaking isn't much better (19th and 38th percentile in P&R efficiency) even if he puts up decent assist numbers. He's also a bad catch and shoot guy (28% and 35% on threes). Like, he's been a pretty bad player for the past 2-3 years now if you look past the box score.


Kuzma isn't the best at assists but all his plays you see ball movement evident
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Post#630 » by CJTURT » Fri Feb 7, 2025 3:34 am

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CJTURT wrote:We keep talking about all these players that are coming in and are going out. We fail to recognize That we have a coach who has 1 championship in over 20 years of coaching, and for the most part had really good players around him. When does Doc Rivers have accountability?


Hindsight is looking like they should've stayed with the Spurs model & run it back last year.

With Bud there was stability. Could still swap Dame & Jrue. Eh.


Hindsight is always 20-20 . I don’t think we have a championship caliber coach. These young minds coach circles around him tbh
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Post#631 » by dedned » Fri Feb 7, 2025 3:41 am

ShootingtheJ wrote:
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Baddy Chuck wrote:Don't think we solved literally any issues plaguing the team and gave up and depreciated assets even more. We'll see where this "flexibility" lends itself next season because that's the last shot before we have to blow it up for sure.


Ummmm... we needed a 2nd pg... boom... we needed a 3rd banana that's physically available more often.. boom.. athletic big.. boom.. 2nd apron.. boom ... 4 lingering problems and we have the buyout market..

Be disappointed but hyperbole isn't necessary


We needed good players, and none of them are good players. KPJ might have some fun stretches, but his volatility is a challenge.

Kuzma is not a 3rd banana, he's Bobby with a different build.

Bobby's better.
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Post#632 » by CJTURT » Fri Feb 7, 2025 3:42 am

Doc is not an X’s and O’s Coach. He’s a raspy voice wannabe motivator. That’s all he is. Have you ever listen to him During timeouts in the huddle? He just jabbers . He doesn’t have a plan to put his players in the best position to succeed at any particular point in the game. Look at some of these other younger coaches that Actually have a plan and draw it up on a fuxing board. In other words, Doc isn’t the coach that we need his time has passed him by long ago.
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Post#633 » by dedned » Fri Feb 7, 2025 3:44 am

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Post#634 » by Baddy Chuck » Fri Feb 7, 2025 3:50 am

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Baddy Chuck wrote:Don't think we solved literally any issues plaguing the team and gave up and depreciated assets even more. We'll see where this "flexibility" lends itself next season because that's the last shot before we have to blow it up for sure.


Ummmm... we needed a 2nd pg... boom... we needed a 3rd banana that's physically available more often.. boom.. athletic big.. boom.. 2nd apron.. boom ... 4 lingering problems and we have the buyout market..

Be disappointed but hyperbole isn't necessary

To me I see it like this.

Jericho Sims fits the role but also he isn't good. I think he'll play, but I don't think he's a real rotation player and will play sporadically at best. We traded a CD-DNP guy for him and he'll likely fill that role most nights.

Kevin Porter gets us a backup "point guard" who is a world class, inefficient chucker who doesn't play defense and turns the ball over. He's like everything thats good and bad around Dame just the D list version.

Kuzma just isn't a third banana unless something miraculous happens. More versatile probably, reliable definitely but also worse. He doesn't play big, he hasn't tried on defense in years and he's been one of the most inefficient chuckers in the league in Washington. I'm rooting for the old Lakers guy, who was like a pretty decent role player, probably like 7th or 8th best guy on their championship team.

The apron stuff is cool. Would have been nice to do that while somehow improving the team but I don't think we did that at all and I think the way we went about it will limit our ability to even use the benefits of dropping out of it to it's most effective.

The issues that plague the team weren't solved. We didn't get POA defense and we didn't get defensive versatility at the big spots, our two biggest issues actually got worse.
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Post#635 » by humanrefutation » Fri Feb 7, 2025 4:02 am

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humanrefutation wrote:Does anyone expect KPJ to get meaningful minutes for us? Over who?


Remember the other night when Dame couldn’t get the ball up the court and got stripped multiple times. We need a 2nd ball handler. I have no idea if Porter will be a help there, but that’s one reason why we brought him on.


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Post#636 » by Wonka » Fri Feb 7, 2025 4:06 am

I guess the bar for talent has been significantly lowered here on the Bucks board.

Again, it's great to cheer the team on regardless of these moves. But WAAAAAAYYYY too many of you are demanding that those who are against these moves just shut up and lower their standards while simultaneously pretending that those standards weren't just lowered. Two months ago, none of you guys would've been sticking up for the basketball merits of Kyle Kuzma or Kevin Porter Jr...and much like it's okay to be delusionally hopeful that one or both of them becomes a completely different person and player, it's also just as okay to be completely rational and understand that these were two bad moves and these are two players who only play well for teams that win less than 20 games. That's the reality.
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Post#637 » by tedbrogen » Fri Feb 7, 2025 4:11 am

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humanrefutation wrote:Does anyone expect KPJ to get meaningful minutes for us? Over who?


He'll get a crack at those Rollins minutes. Some of those AJax minutes, too. Just a guess.

I'm actually wondering if Sims gets any burn if everyone is healthy.


At least with Sims, if one of Giannis, Brook, or Bobby sits out a game they don’t have to choose between playing very small at times or playing Robbins.
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Post#638 » by Wonka » Fri Feb 7, 2025 4:14 am

tedbrogen wrote:
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humanrefutation wrote:Does anyone expect KPJ to get meaningful minutes for us? Over who?


He'll get a crack at those Rollins minutes. Some of those AJax minutes, too. Just a guess.

I'm actually wondering if Sims gets any burn if everyone is healthy.


At least with Sims, if one of Giannis, Brook, or Bobby sits out a game they don’t have to choose between playing very small at times or playing Robbins.


I am by far the most excited about Sims coming over. Hoping he can learn some stuff from our bigs and make a leap of sorts.
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Post#639 » by bucksfansince88 » Fri Feb 7, 2025 4:20 am

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He has a skillset that this roster lacks, praying he can get back to playing at the level he was in Houston before all the drama
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Post#640 » by paulpressey25 » Fri Feb 7, 2025 4:20 am

Wonka wrote:I guess the bar for talent has been significantly lowered here on the Bucks board.

Again, it's great to cheer the team on regardless of these moves. But WAAAAAAYYYY too many of you are demanding that those who are against these moves just shut up and lower their standards while simultaneously pretending that those standards weren't just lowered.


Can only speak for myself.I hold no delusions that these three new guys we brought in will do anything. But our team had no real trade assets either.

I can blame Horst for putting us in this position. But he spent the past week with only a couple nickels of talent to spend. We were never getting back quarters or dollars for a nickel. We got back nickels.
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