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Post#621 » by ShootingtheJ » Thu May 29, 2025 10:02 am

German Athens wrote:
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German Athens wrote:I bet OKC would give us 24 for our ‘26 swap.

I’d like to attach that to a larger deal where we send out that and ‘31, and I’ve been using that in most of my recent proposals.

Maybe we could find another team to work with instead of OKC.


You're referencing a swap of a swap right?

I doubt they'd do 24 for that. Maybe though.


Correct. They’d get the right to swap with either us or Nop, depending on who ends up with the worse pick.

Honestly, I think OKC would be more likely to say yes than us. They just won 68 games and we won 48, but we are down our 2nd best player for the whole year.

They also already have 13 guaranteed roster spots going into next year + 2 club options with Jaylin and ajay. They may not want to bring in 2 rookies.


Agree. It's the exact type of deal OKC makes.
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Post#622 » by BigO » Thu May 29, 2025 1:04 pm

fansinceforever wrote:Ron Swanson's post isn't pecimistic at all. It's an accurate representation of what occured and where our roster WAS. Several of those guys probably won't t even be on the team.

The Pacers are better than we are. They probably were better last season too. I get this is a fan board but why do we have to convince ourselves of something literally no one else is seeing?


Revisionist history.

Last season, the Bucks didn't have Giannis against the Pacers and Lillard didn't play all of the games. They had Middleton, Portis and nothing else and took the Pacers to 6 games. Their 2 main reserves were Galinari and PC.

Last season, with a healthy Giannis and Dame, I'd take the Bucks every time against the Pacers. Probably a sweep.

This season, they had no Dame, no Middleton and a Kyle Kuzma and Prince starting.

Are the Pacers a better team without Dame and with a coach who is an idiot. Yes, if that's your standard, I agree. This series would have been a lot different, just with a better coach.

Don't take my word for it. Look at the difference on the court when Kuzma and Prince were on the bench.

Shame on all of you who gave an And 1 to this nonsense. :banghead:

It's this kind of analysis that leads a GM like Horst to make the dumb moves he's made.
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Post#623 » by Ron Swanson » Thu May 29, 2025 2:19 pm

I certainly wouldn't agree the Pacers were "better than us last year" (healthier, yes), but man, some of you guys get so emotional when people just point out obvious things. Your opinion on how "close" this last series actually was seems pretty relevant for the offseason considering it's going to directly impact what kind of moves you think we need (or don't need) to make. If you wanna cling to the flimsiest of silver linings from that series to make yourself feel better about the objectively depressing state of the current roster, then have it. But then don't be out here hypocritically calling other posters' stuff "nonsense".
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Post#624 » by EasyE31 » Thu May 29, 2025 3:06 pm

If Durant is going to get moved the obvious suiter is Houston. To make that deal work Houston has to trade Van Vleet. I would assume the Suns don't want FVV given they have Booker and Beal.

Suns get: Kuzma, Connaughton, Jabari Smith, their own 2025 and 2027 1sts
Rockets Get: Durant
Jazz get: Lillard, 2027 Bkn swap rights from Phoenix, 2031 Bucks 1st
Bucks get: Van Vleet, Markkanen

Not only does this make the Bucks competitive next season with Giannis, Lauri, and FVV it also frees up a bunch of possibilities for the 26-27 offseason as it clears FVV, Portis, and Kuzma all off the books going into next summer.

FVV / KPJ
Trent / AJG
Lauri / Pat / FA
Giannis / Smith
Bobby / Sims
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Post#625 » by Ron Swanson » Thu May 29, 2025 3:29 pm

What do we need to add to Pat in order to turn him into Fontecchio and Marcus Sasser?
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Post#626 » by CharityStripe34 » Thu May 29, 2025 3:49 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:What do we need to add to Pat in order to turn him into Fontecchio and Marcus Sasser?


Some fresh cannolis.
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Post#627 » by tedbrogen » Thu May 29, 2025 4:23 pm

EasyE31 wrote:If Durant is going to get moved the obvious suiter is Houston. To make that deal work Houston has to trade Van Vleet. I would assume the Suns don't want FVV given they have Booker and Beal.

Suns get: Kuzma, Connaughton, Jabari Smith, their own 2025 and 2027 1sts
Rockets Get: Durant
Jazz get: Lillard, 2027 Bkn swap rights from Phoenix, 2031 Bucks 1st
Bucks get: Van Vleet, Markkanen

Not only does this make the Bucks competitive next season with Giannis, Lauri, and FVV it also frees up a bunch of possibilities for the 26-27 offseason as it clears FVV, Portis, and Kuzma all off the books going into next summer.

FVV / KPJ
Trent / AJG
Lauri / Pat / FA
Giannis / Smith
Bobby / Sims


I doubt the Jazz do this deal. One first and one swap for Lauri and taking Dame’s salary. Doesn’t sound like Ainge to me.
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Post#628 » by buckboy » Thu May 29, 2025 4:53 pm

German Athens wrote:
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German Athens wrote:I bet OKC would give us 24 for our ‘26 swap.

I’d like to attach that to a larger deal where we send out that and ‘31, and I’ve been using that in most of my recent proposals.

Maybe we could find another team to work with instead of OKC.


You're referencing a swap of a swap right?

I doubt they'd do 24 for that. Maybe though.


Correct. They’d get the right to swap with either us or Nop, depending on who ends up with the worse pick.

Honestly, I think OKC would be more likely to say yes than us. They just won 68 games and we won 48, but we are down our 2nd best player for the whole year.

They also already have 13 guaranteed roster spots going into next year + 2 club options with Jaylin and ajay. They may not want to bring in 2 rookies.



Yeah, after thinking it through i wouldn't do it for us.

Our pick will be higher than 24 next year. I know we'd get it faster, but we could be in the lottery or close to it next year.
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Post#629 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Thu May 29, 2025 5:30 pm

tedbrogen wrote:
EasyE31 wrote:If Durant is going to get moved the obvious suiter is Houston. To make that deal work Houston has to trade Van Vleet. I would assume the Suns don't want FVV given they have Booker and Beal.

Suns get: Kuzma, Connaughton, Jabari Smith, their own 2025 and 2027 1sts
Rockets Get: Durant
Jazz get: Lillard, 2027 Bkn swap rights from Phoenix, 2031 Bucks 1st
Bucks get: Van Vleet, Markkanen

Not only does this make the Bucks competitive next season with Giannis, Lauri, and FVV it also frees up a bunch of possibilities for the 26-27 offseason as it clears FVV, Portis, and Kuzma all off the books going into next summer.

FVV / KPJ
Trent / AJG
Lauri / Pat / FA
Giannis / Smith
Bobby / Sims


I doubt the Jazz do this deal. One first and one swap for Lauri and taking Dame’s salary. Doesn’t sound like Ainge to me.


we wouldnt get lauri in that deal but we could get a player better than sexton/collins if we found a 4th team
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Post#630 » by mlloyd10 » Thu May 29, 2025 7:11 pm

How good/bad is this for the Bucks - I have the Bucks taking on Murray to get that pick back from NO

Spurs get: Giannis/Jackson
Bucks get: Murray/Castle/#2/2026 1st back from NO/ATL 2027 1st from Spurs/Spurs 2029 1st
Pelicans get: Johnson/Barnes
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Post#631 » by LUKE23 » Thu May 29, 2025 8:17 pm

For those that didn't see it, Jim O did an "Ask Me Anything" on the Bucks Reddit today.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MkeBucks/comments/1kyapfo/im_jim_owczarski_milwaukee_bucks_beat_writer_for/
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Post#632 » by fansinceforever » Thu May 29, 2025 8:22 pm

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fansinceforever wrote:Ron Swanson's post isn't pecimistic at all. It's an accurate representation of what occured and where our roster WAS. Several of those guys probably won't t even be on the team.

The Pacers are better than we are. They probably were better last season too. I get this is a fan board but why do we have to convince ourselves of something literally no one else is seeing?


Revisionist history.

Last season, the Bucks didn't have Giannis against the Pacers and Lillard didn't play all of the games. They had Middleton, Portis and nothing else and took the Pacers to 6 games. Their 2 main reserves were Galinari and PC.

Last season, with a healthy Giannis and Dame, I'd take the Bucks every time against the Pacers. Probably a sweep.

This season, they had no Dame, no Middleton and a Kyle Kuzma and Prince starting.

Are the Pacers a better team without Dame and with a coach who is an idiot. Yes, if that's your standard, I agree. This series would have been a lot different, just with a better coach.

Don't take my word for it. Look at the difference on the court when Kuzma and Prince were on the bench.

Shame on all of you who gave an And 1 to this nonsense. :banghead:

It's this kind of analysis that leads a GM like Horst to make the dumb moves he's made.


Yeah, you guys are right. We were only a wing and a fumbled pass away from beating a team that's consistently proven they're better than us.

We don't have a different coach. We don't have Dame. We weren't very good when we had Dame. The Bucks are not on the verge of anything substantial by playing Bobby, KPJ, GTJ and Green around Giannis. And even if they were, there's not a high probability that we can even bring all those guys back.

If my opinion is so shameful, why does the vast majority of the sports world agree? They're all stupid save for a couple of handfuls of Bucks fans?
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Post#633 » by German Athens » Thu May 29, 2025 9:41 pm

Some good stuff from Jim there.

He thinks there’s an increasing likelihood Bobby opts in, that GTJ is looking for the bag and something around 8-10M per, and that there’s an extension coming for Dairy.
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Post#634 » by BigO » Thu May 29, 2025 9:48 pm

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fansinceforever wrote:Ron Swanson's post isn't pecimistic at all. It's an accurate representation of what occured and where our roster WAS. Several of those guys probably won't t even be on the team.

The Pacers are better than we are. They probably were better last season too. I get this is a fan board but why do we have to convince ourselves of something literally no one else is seeing?


Revisionist history.

Last season, the Bucks didn't have Giannis against the Pacers and Lillard didn't play all of the games. They had Middleton, Portis and nothing else and took the Pacers to 6 games. Their 2 main reserves were Galinari and PC.

Last season, with a healthy Giannis and Dame, I'd take the Bucks every time against the Pacers. Probably a sweep.

This season, they had no Dame, no Middleton and a Kyle Kuzma and Prince starting.

Are the Pacers a better team without Dame and with a coach who is an idiot. Yes, if that's your standard, I agree. This series would have been a lot different, just with a better coach.

Don't take my word for it. Look at the difference on the court when Kuzma and Prince were on the bench.

Shame on all of you who gave an And 1 to this nonsense. :banghead:

It's this kind of analysis that leads a GM like Horst to make the dumb moves he's made.


Yeah, you guys are right. We were only a wing and a fumbled pass away from beating a team that's consistently proven they're better than us.

We don't have a different coach. We don't have Dame. We weren't very good when we had Dame. The Bucks are not on the verge of anything substantial by playing Bobby, KPJ, GTJ and Green around Giannis. And even if they were, there's not a high probability that we can even bring all those guys back.

If my opinion is so shameful, why does the vast majority of the sports world agree? They're all stupid save for a couple of handfuls of Bucks fans?



There you go again. "Consistently proven they're better" by beating the Bucks last year without Giannis and partly Dame?

You can make a credible case they are better this year even with Dame and even if Kuzma and Prince are benched. But you lose credibility by referencing last year as showing they consistently beat the Bucks.
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Post#635 » by raferfenix » Thu May 29, 2025 9:53 pm

Highlights from Jim O’s AMA.

RE meeting:

All I'll say about that is Giannis annually meets with Horst in the offseason. There are never "official" that comes out about those meetings.

I can't speak to what Chris heard/knew/said.


RE Bucks’ limited resources and a “gap year”:

They have more resources this summer than any since 2020, so I expect Jon Horst to do some things to bring some quality players.

That said, is that a "gap" year? If the Bucks win 50-53 games next year they could be the 2-seed, 3-seed?

The definition of "title contender" has changed, IMO. If you're a top three seed (or heck, the Pacers have been the 4th and 5th seeds the last two years), there is a good chance to get to a conference final.

I think as the season ended and you zoom out, the East looks even weaker - even with Detroit and Orlando presumably being "better." Those teams play in a way that the Bucks can handle. I would argue Cleveland does, too. So it's really just NY and IND as the teams that are (currently) poor playoff matchups.

Now, to "better for future seasons" -- I think all of what I outlined above would also set them up for the summer of '26 with more options.

In my opinion, if they win 50-53 games and are a top 3 seed, Giannis signs another extension in the summer of '26 and that is likely the main goal of the next year.


RE Giannis asking out:

You're assuming that he wants to move AND that ownership is cool with that....

Ya, it's Horst and the front office's literal job to have five-year plans, with all scenarios. In terms of what those scenarios are, you'll never know -- unless they choose to reveal it, like when they talked about their long-running hope to get Lillard.

Hate to say it, there is no trade package that helps Milwaukee unless they get Joker or Wemby.


RE Doc and Giannis relationship:

I can't pretend to know the ins and outs of their day-to-day, but let's be real - Rivers has what, two years left? This coming season is a big one for all involved. Giannis wants to see the team get back to 50+ wins and advance out of the first round. Rivers was hired to get this team to the finals. If that isn't done...I don't think it matters how they feel about it each other.


RE Haslem:

Objectively speaking, Bucks fans should be thrilled to have an owner like Haslam paired with Edens. Lasry was getting very tired of spending money (particularly on the taxes, and has said as much). Haslam DGAF. Neither does Edens -- so they act like a "big market" ownership group.

I don't think he was ever considered a silent partner - not for $800 million. But Wes Edens is the governor and had almost a decade of experience in the NBA, so the Haslams definitely took a backseat in terms of that. But they for sure have a voice. They pay the tax bill, too.

I think any decision has his sign off - trading for Lillard, paying the massive tax bills, paying coaches not to coach (hiring other coaches), etc. But Edens has the final final say.


RE Ajax:

Man, Eric Nehm and I asked Doc about this all second half the season and Doc would just not say - but he clearly didn't like AJJ. As soon as KPJ was traded for, that was it for Andre.


RE Bobby:

I wrote early on I thought Bobby would be a S&T candidate after an opt-out. But the more I'm hearing is he may be more likely to opt-in


RE rumors about draft workouts of top guys:

I heard that as well -- I cannot see any reason why those guys would work out for the Bucks as a "just in case." Now, almost all agencies hold a pro day, so could the Bucks fly out to those days and try to get an extra look, or maybe get an individual workout on their terms? Maybe? If that's happening it would be kept on the DL of DLs from all involved.


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Post#636 » by BigO » Thu May 29, 2025 9:54 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:I certainly wouldn't agree the Pacers were "better than us last year" (healthier, yes), but man, some of you guys get so emotional when people just point out obvious things. Your opinion on how "close" this last series actually was seems pretty relevant for the offseason considering it's going to directly impact what kind of moves you think we need (or don't need) to make. If you wanna cling to the flimsiest of silver linings from that series to make yourself feel better about the objectively depressing state of the current roster, then have it. But then don't be out here hypocritically calling other posters' stuff "nonsense".



I'll call nonsense when I see it. The poster said the Pacers were better last year and never mentioned the Bucks last year were without Giannis and partly Dame. It's either disingenuous or nonsense. I stick by it.

This season is more questionable because Middleton was traded. But they still were without Dame AND didn't play their best players. It's not nonsense to say you think the Pacers are the better team this year. But it is nonsense not to mention the loss of a top regular and the fact that the coach diidn't play the lineup he should have.

I said before the season the Bucks were the team to beat if everyone was healthy. The Bucks haven't been healthy the last three playoffs. with Giannis missing two of them.
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