ATL - Wemby dominates, Billups arrested in gambling probe

[machu46]

Jeez, Gordon.

Is there any potential Aaron Gordon type trades out there where a miscast young quasi-franchise player moves to a new team, becoming a top flight role player?

The only guy that I think could sort of meet this criteria is Scottie Barnes.

[MoreTrife]

Supposedly this interview is from May 2023.

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This is all over my head. So Chauncey was cheating at poker games? Why is it the federal governments business to regulate that? Isn't that just a market correction situation? Don't play in poker games you think are rigged? Or don't gamble if you don't like losing? IDK. NBA game fixing feels the same. League problem. If NBA doesn't fix it's own house, the integrity of the sport could be in question and then you could lose fans.

[MickeyDavis]

Supposedly this interview is from May 2023.

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This is all over my head. So Chauncey was cheating at poker games? Why is it the federal governments business to regulate that? Isn't that just a market correction situation? Don't play in poker games you think are rigged? Or don't gamble if you don't like losing? IDK. NBA game fixing feels the same. League problem. If NBA doesn't fix it's own house, the integrity of the sport could be in question and then you could lose fans.

Cheating people out of money is and should be illegal. It's fraud and should be prosecuted as any other kind of fraud. Don't play in poker games you think are rigged. Well sure. But they didn't think that. Billups is a hall of famer, a star, a current NBA coach. He's made millions. Someone you wouldn't suspect would be involved in cheating. That's why it worked. NBA game fixing is also fraud. The sportsbooks were defrauded. As was every bettor who was on the wrong side of the cheating. In this case both businesses and individuals were defrauded. And of course it's also a league problem. A big one that needs to be addressed and fixed. But it's also a legal problem that requires prosecution.

[MickeyDavis]

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[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

OKC with two straight double OT games to start the season is interesting.

Not as interesting as the fact that now I'm gonna question the outcome of every game for a while. Thank you NBA!

Just catching up. SGAs season line is fun with 47 mpg and 45 ppg. I know it will rebound but his TS% dropped to 60% (64% last year)

[midranger]

Jeez, Gordon.

Is there any potential Aaron Gordon type trades out there where a miscast young quasi-franchise player moves to a new team, becoming a top flight role player?

The only guy that I think could sort of meet this criteria is Scottie Barnes.

Would’ve said Patrick Williams a couple years ago. WTF has happened to that guy?

[BUCKnation]

'best player in the world' cant even win a game when his teammate dropped 50

[Mags FTW]

Supposedly this interview is from May 2023.

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This is all over my head. So Chauncey was cheating at poker games? Why is it the federal governments business to regulate that? Isn't that just a market correction situation? Don't play in poker games you think are rigged? Or don't gamble if you don't like losing? IDK. NBA game fixing feels the same. League problem. If NBA doesn't fix it's own house, the integrity of the sport could be in question and then you could lose fans.

Cheating people out of money is and should be illegal. It's fraud and should be prosecuted as any other kind of fraud. Don't play in poker games you think are rigged. Well sure. But they didn't think that. Billups is a hall of famer, a star, a current NBA coach. He's made millions. Someone you wouldn't suspect would be involved in cheating. That's why it worked.

Yeah, he's called a "face". Someone you would think is trustworthy and meant to make you think the whole thing is on the up and up.

[skbucks1985]

Supposedly this interview is from May 2023.

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This is all over my head. So Chauncey was cheating at poker games? Why is it the federal governments business to regulate that? Isn't that just a market correction situation? Don't play in poker games you think are rigged? Or don't gamble if you don't like losing? IDK. NBA game fixing feels the same. League problem. If NBA doesn't fix it's own house, the integrity of the sport could be in question and then you could lose fans.

If Chauncey did what is alleged, then he clearly did illegal things and was committing fraud. But not every illegal thing and every form of fraud will be prosecuted. And based on everything I've read about the Chauncey story, it very much reads to me like a bunch of rich guys got pissy because they got snookered and cried to the feds about it.

I don't think that anything that is alleged rises to the level what could be characterized as game fixing. A lot of it is using injury information a few hours before it becomes publicly available. And there aren't enough bets to actually manipulate the market in any real way and so its not the other sportsbook users that are being cheated but only the sportsbook themselves.

[skbucks1985]

Jeez, Gordon.

Is there any potential Aaron Gordon type trades out there where a miscast young quasi-franchise player moves to a new team, becoming a top flight role player?

Even though he's their best player I wouldn't necessarily say the Jazz are building around Markkanen. But he's a guy who if he went to the right contender could really be special. And I think he's a little bit above the type of player you'd think of when this question comes up, but Devin Booker is certainly a guy that is not winning bupkis when he's the clear best player but could be really good as a 2nd or even 3rd option.

[MickeyDavis]

If I was rich and was defrauded/cheated I would "cry" to the feds too. Because someone has money doesn't mean defrauding them is ok.

As for the games, yes the injury stuff didn't hurt other gamblers, only the sports books. The NBA started doing hourly injury reports but those still rely on the teams reporting. It's the prop bets that defraud individuals as well the books. Everyone who bet overs on Rozier had no chance to win.

[Ron Swanson]

Kuminga was the guy I thought had the best "Denver Aaron Gordon" potential of any available player that needed a scenery change, and if he keeps playing like he has to start the season, a lot of teams are gonna be kicking themselves for not floating him an offer sheet or trying to finagle a sign & trade.

[skbucks1985]

Like I said, not all crimes get prosecuted and when it comes to white collar crime specifically what gets prosecuted tends to be about the wealth of the victims which often means that the people who screw over middle and lower class people are much more likely to get away with it.

If you're playing in the those types of games, you're involved in some shady stuff and I don't give a damn if you get cheated.

There's the obvious joke that if you're betting overs on Terry Rozier... this is the one that if what is alleged turns out to be true is the one that I think is most justified to be prosecuted and don't really have a problem with doing so.

[German Athens]

'best player in the world' cant even win a game when his teammate dropped 50

Yes, but see he passes the ball, so he made those 50 points happen.

[Mags FTW]

The betting stuff absolutely has to be prosecuted and there shouldn't even be any debate about it. So many states, especially the ones whose finances are a mess, now rely on the tax revenue generated by sports gambling.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Like I said, not all crimes get prosecuted and when it comes to white collar crime specifically what gets prosecuted tends to be about the wealth of the victims which often means that the people who screw over middle and lower class people are much more likely to get away with it.

If you're playing in the those types of games, you're involved in some shady stuff and I don't give a damn if you get cheated.

There's the obvious joke that if you're betting overs on Terry Rozier... this is the one that if what is alleged turns out to be true is the one that I think is most justified to be prosecuted and don't really have a problem with doing so.

There's a lot of levels to this story though with the mob and millions of illegal betting. I don't think it is the best use of resources and seems like the FBI trying to get a big PR win but could see these games and crimes escalating and being part of a bigger illegal network with dangerous people.

That said with most of this sports betting stuff you have to know going in that a player can easily be bought and that's part of the risk premium of betting. It's up there the NBA and Gambling sites to keep the appearance of risk to be low with strict controls. Taxpayers shouldn't be paying for those controls.

[Mags FTW]

Like I said, not all crimes get prosecuted and when it comes to white collar crime specifically what gets prosecuted tends to be about the wealth of the victims which often means that the people who screw over middle and lower class people are much more likely to get away with it.

If you're playing in the those types of games, you're involved in some shady stuff and I don't give a damn if you get cheated.

There's the obvious joke that if you're betting overs on Terry Rozier... this is the one that if what is alleged turns out to be true is the one that I think is most justified to be prosecuted and don't really have a problem with doing so.

There's a lot of levels to this story though with the mob and millions of illegal betting. I don't think it is the best use of resources and seems like the FBI trying to get a big PR win but could see these games and crimes escalating and being part of a bigger illegal network with dangerous people.

That said with most of this sports betting stuff you have to know going in that a player can easily be bought and that's part of the risk premium of betting. It's up there the NBA and Gambling sites to keep the appearance of risk to be low with strict controls. Taxpayers shouldn't be paying for those controls.

See my comment above. You can't reap the benefits of tax revenue from something and then just say you aren't going to do anything to regulate it.

And as I explained earlier, it's the sites that either have anti-fraud software or contract that service. They do the initial leg work to identify the outlier events, circumstances, etc. and then bring that information to law enforcement.

[paulpressey25]

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[DingleJerry]

If I was rich and was defrauded/cheated I would "cry" to the feds too. Because someone has money doesn't mean defrauding them is ok.

As for the games, yes the injury stuff didn't hurt other gamblers, only the sports books. The NBA started doing hourly injury reports but those still rely on the teams reporting. It's the prop bets that defraud individuals as well the books. Everyone who bet overs on Rozier had no chance to win.

Sure. But in this poker game case you are yourself engaging in an illegal action/activity yourself and then tattling on the others for doing more illegal stuff than you. Its kind of the risk you know you take when choosing to play in an illegal private game than a casino. It would be like committing a robbery with a partner, and then the partner also robs you of your half so you report him for theft.

Of course not all details are out yet so can't say anything for sure. But my general take so far is this should not be on the level of the FBI worrying about it for all things reported so far. However, it wouldn't surprise me that FBI are the ones with the ability to monitor all the online sports stuff for irregularities. But other people who've been caught it has said how its been the online sites who catch it themselves then make the leagues aware.

One thing to note: to my knowledge its not illegal for me to half ass a basketball game so my friends win a bet, but it sure does warrant being kicked out of the league. Or its not illegal that my wife's friend (or anyone at the bar/party) knows I was out partying and am hungover AF so will play like crap, and she or people she tells bet against me. Thats kind of been a part of 'sharp' betting for years, finding out bits of info others don't have that tilt the odds your way. Team has had flu run through it, player with injuries not known to the world, personal drama, etc

[FrieAaron]

One thing to note: to my knowledge its not illegal for me to half ass a basketball game so my friends win a bet

That certainly seems like fraud to me, although hard to prove unless there's a clear pattern.