Bucks Media Thread (Discussion of Bucks & Sports Media)

[ReasonablySober]

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[Shaffty]

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this was awful

[blazza18]

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this was awful

It was fine until he stopped talking basketball and mentioned Lasry again.

[Matches Malone]

I'm not going to listen, but if Lasry was mentioned then I'm guessing they just talk about Giannis leaving and that Windhorst "report".

Edit: Are there any good basketball pods anymore? Simmons and Lowe used to be good but I can't stand either anymore. Too much sensationalism now.

[RiotPunch]

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this was awful

It was fine until he stopped talking basketball and mentioned Lasry again.

I thought it was all pretty fair. They are all so misinformed on the Lasry stuff, though.

[Ron Swanson]

Sounds like Lowe just took Simmons' conspiracy theory tidbit about ownership and is running with it. Probably a good reminder that none of these guys are real "journalists" as much as they are podcast entertainers and tabloid reporters playing one gigantic game of telephone with each other. I guess I'd expect Lowe to at least hold off on that specific kind of completely speculative junk, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

I'm not going to listen, but if Lasry was mentioned then I'm guessing they just talk about Giannis leaving and that Windhorst "report".

Edit: Are there any good basketball pods anymore? Simmons and Lowe used to be good but I can't stand either anymore. Too much sensationalism now.

I thought it was a weird conclusion to say Lasry left because Giannis is leaving. I seemed pretty clear he left because he already got the gain in valuation from TV contracts and getting out before paying the tax.

I really wonder how much Giannis adds to the valuation. With all the distribution and equity sharing, how much does winning bring in? I almost think the owners lose money by keeping Giannis and a Top 5 salary versus if he were to leave.

Like if the Bucks win a championship, do the owners get $50m more in CASH, $100m, $200m, $300m..... Like we pretty much know that keeping this roster versus blowing it up is costing the owners probably $100m+ ($40m difference between floor and payroll, $40m+ tax, plus $20m(?) distribution of tax money). I don't know how winning makes up that delta.

I just don't know much the revenue needle move by winning. $100m is a lot of money to pass up for doing nothing. For perspective, I can't imagine the total revenue from ticket sales in regular season is greater than $75m. Even $5k a seat average, which seems high consider i pay $3k for 7th row corner, is only like $80m MAX..not additional sold from winning. I can't imagine you can sell enough tickets, beers or sweaters (Everyone already bought all their gear 2 years ago) to raise hundreds of millions of profit (not revenue) by winning. IDK would love to see the break down.

[ReasonablySober]

Guys it was a fine and perfectly rational discussion.

[emunney]

If Lasry sold because Giannis is leaving, why did Edens stay?

[rayallenscalves]

I listened to the most recent Lowe Post pod this morning when he and Pelton talked about the Bucks. They talked about how the team is mostly running it back and that's potentially worrisome given recent flameouts. Of course, there was not a single mention of Bud. I don't know how they can talk about "running it back" and "flameouts" and not mention the fact that primary reason for those flameouts is no longer coaching the team. A pretty big miss.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Feel like the more national media talks about your favorite team the more you realize their takes usually lack nuance and are just hot takey trash. That will make you realize their takes on all teams kind of suck so what's the point of listening.

I took a break from sports pods a couple years back after being a heavy listener and didn't miss it at all. Listened to more music and audio books and it's been delightful. Now I'll throw a sports pod if Im interested in a guest or something but I'm down probably 90%.

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[MVP2110]

Feel like the more national media talks about your favorite team the more you realize their takes usually lack nuance and are just hot takey trash. That will make you realize their takes on all teams kind of suck so what's the point of listening.

I took a break from sports pods a couple years back after being a heavy listener and didn't miss it at all. Listened to more music and audio books and it's been delightful. Now I'll throw a sports pod if Im interested in a guest or something but I'm down probably 90%.

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I do think part of it is national guys are basically covering 30 teams so they aren't as dedicated to following the nuances of your specific team. National guys aren't going to get excited by random 2nd round picks & vet min signings the Bucks made like fans will. To them it's just a random 2nd round guy and/or min vet guy neither of which is likely to make a big impact

[WeekapaugGroove]

Feel like the more national media talks about your favorite team the more you realize their takes usually lack nuance and are just hot takey trash. That will make you realize their takes on all teams kind of suck so what's the point of listening.

I took a break from sports pods a couple years back after being a heavy listener and didn't miss it at all. Listened to more music and audio books and it's been delightful. Now I'll throw a sports pod if Im interested in a guest or something but I'm down probably 90%.

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I do think part of it is national guys are basically covering 30 teams so they aren't as dedicated to following the nuances of your specific team. National guys aren't going to get excited by random 2nd round picks & vet min signings the Bucks made like fans will. To them it's just a random 2nd round guy and/or min vet guy neither of which is likely to make a big impact

Absolutely, it makes complete logical sense that when you cover 30 teams you only have surface level knowledge. Once you realize that you just have to take it all with a grain of salt.

Also a lot of these pods/shows are pure entertainment and people like the gossip and rumors. We have a funny human tendency to believe what we want to believe of the gossip. If it's about another team and especially if it's something we wish to happen we take it as gospel. If it's about our team we call media BS. Shrug

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[Shaffty]

I listened to the most recent Lowe Post pod this morning when he and Pelton talked about the Bucks. They talked about how the team is mostly running it back and that's potentially worrisome given recent flameouts. Of course, there was not a single mention of Bud. I don't know how they can talk about "running it back" and "flameouts" and not mention the fact that primary reason for those flameouts is no longer coaching the team. A pretty big miss.

It was very funny how they completly glossed over it

[BucksStatsGuy]

I thought it was a weird conclusion to say Lasry left because Giannis is leaving. I seemed pretty clear he left because he already got the gain in valuation from TV contracts and getting out before paying the tax.

I really wonder how much Giannis adds to the valuation. With all the distribution and equity sharing, how much does winning bring in? I almost think the owners lose money by keeping Giannis and a Top 5 salary versus if he were to leave.

Like if the Bucks win a championship, do the owners get $50m more in CASH, $100m, $200m, $300m..... Like we pretty much know that keeping this roster versus blowing it up is costing the owners probably $100m+ ($40m difference between floor and payroll, $40m+ tax, plus $20m(?) distribution of tax money). I don't know how winning makes up that delta.

From the scuttle I heard, there was some sort of capital call/raising coming up that was gonna cost Lasry 90 million dollars. Have no information other than that, but there was some bill that was coming to roost and he decided to cash out. I think that was the primary reason, but I also don't doubt that there is a much more marginal reason that has to do with his belief in the front office / team going the next few years. Possible he think that obviously there is a floor with Giannis and you do everything in the immediate future to keep him around, but maybe he also thinks that the ceiling isn't quite there with the assets available. Given how the coaching search went, possible that even before that, he doesn't see things ending well when the team has to make a hard decision about the roster and maybe pissing off Giannis.

[Licensed to Il]

I thought it was a weird conclusion to say Lasry left because Giannis is leaving. I seemed pretty clear he left because he already got the gain in valuation from TV contracts and getting out before paying the tax.

I really wonder how much Giannis adds to the valuation. With all the distribution and equity sharing, how much does winning bring in? I almost think the owners lose money by keeping Giannis and a Top 5 salary versus if he were to leave.

Like if the Bucks win a championship, do the owners get $50m more in CASH, $100m, $200m, $300m..... Like we pretty much know that keeping this roster versus blowing it up is costing the owners probably $100m+ ($40m difference between floor and payroll, $40m+ tax, plus $20m(?) distribution of tax money). I don't know how winning makes up that delta.

From the scuttle I heard, there was some sort of capital call/raising coming up that was gonna cost Lasry 90 million dollars. Have no information other than that, but there was some bill that was coming to roost and he decided to cash out. I think that was the primary reason, but I also don't doubt that there is a much more marginal reason that has to do with his belief in the front office / team going the next few years. Possible he think that obviously there is a floor with Giannis and you do everything in the immediate future to keep him around, but maybe he also thinks that the ceiling isn't quite there with the assets available. Given how the coaching search went, possible that even before that, he doesn't see things ending well when the team has to make a hard decision about the roster and maybe pissing off Giannis.

Thanks for the info. Surely some truth to it.

I think we are all basketball nerds, and love the NBA. And we can’t fathom that the most likely reason for Lasry selling is that this was always an investment for him. He’s mega rich cause he knows when to buy and when to sell. It is fairly apparent he sold at the perfect time and made a killing. Kenny Rogers would be proud (“know when to hold em, know when to fold em”).

[MickeyDavis]

I thought both would flip the team within 5-7 years. I was right about Lasry but Edens seems to genuinely enjoy being an owner.

[Shaffty]

I thought both would flip the team within 5-7 years. I was right about Lasry but Edens seems to genuinely enjoy being an owner.

lasry selling right before he gives up governorship is very funny imo

[randy84]

I thought it was a weird conclusion to say Lasry left because Giannis is leaving. I seemed pretty clear he left because he already got the gain in valuation from TV contracts and getting out before paying the tax.

I really wonder how much Giannis adds to the valuation. With all the distribution and equity sharing, how much does winning bring in? I almost think the owners lose money by keeping Giannis and a Top 5 salary versus if he were to leave.

Like if the Bucks win a championship, do the owners get $50m more in CASH, $100m, $200m, $300m..... Like we pretty much know that keeping this roster versus blowing it up is costing the owners probably $100m+ ($40m difference between floor and payroll, $40m+ tax, plus $20m(?) distribution of tax money). I don't know how winning makes up that delta.

From the scuttle I heard, there was some sort of capital call/raising coming up that was gonna cost Lasry 90 million dollars. Have no information other than that, but there was some bill that was coming to roost and he decided to cash out. I think that was the primary reason, but I also don't doubt that there is a much more marginal reason that has to do with his belief in the front office / team going the next few years. Possible he think that obviously there is a floor with Giannis and you do everything in the immediate future to keep him around, but maybe he also thinks that the ceiling isn't quite there with the assets available. Given how the coaching search went, possible that even before that, he doesn't see things ending well when the team has to make a hard decision about the roster and maybe pissing off Giannis.

Always felt that after the GM fiasco and Horst hiring that Lasry wasn't long for this team. I think he lost the power struggle and was looking to bolt.

[jimmybones]

I thought it was a weird conclusion to say Lasry left because Giannis is leaving. I seemed pretty clear he left because he already got the gain in valuation from TV contracts and getting out before paying the tax.

I really wonder how much Giannis adds to the valuation. With all the distribution and equity sharing, how much does winning bring in? I almost think the owners lose money by keeping Giannis and a Top 5 salary versus if he were to leave.

Like if the Bucks win a championship, do the owners get $50m more in CASH, $100m, $200m, $300m..... Like we pretty much know that keeping this roster versus blowing it up is costing the owners probably $100m+ ($40m difference between floor and payroll, $40m+ tax, plus $20m(?) distribution of tax money). I don't know how winning makes up that delta.

From the scuttle I heard, there was some sort of capital call/raising coming up that was gonna cost Lasry 90 million dollars. Have no information other than that, but there was some bill that was coming to roost and he decided to cash out. I think that was the primary reason, but I also don't doubt that there is a much more marginal reason that has to do with his belief in the front office / team going the next few years. Possible he think that obviously there is a floor with Giannis and you do everything in the immediate future to keep him around, but maybe he also thinks that the ceiling isn't quite there with the assets available. Given how the coaching search went, possible that even before that, he doesn't see things ending well when the team has to make a hard decision about the roster and maybe pissing off Giannis.

Not even close to claiming insider status but I do know someone who has good reason to know some specific things, close to the situation, happy to elaborate privately.... and according to them it was definitely financially driven (obviously) but it was more of a mixed feelings - do the right business move vs following the heart and doing what is more fun (owning a team). I don't think that would be the case if there was some conspiracy Giannis info involved.