'14 Draft Thread pt 2: vote again? VOTE AGAIN.

Baddy Chuck · Post #681 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:24 am

Obviously both had a lot of hype and were great prospects, but neither were the guaranteed prospects like Shaq, LeBron, etc.

WiscoKing13 · Post #682 » by **WiscoKing13** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:24 am

Baddy Chuck wrote:
WiscoKing13 wrote:
Baddy Chuck wrote:I think Wiggins has potential, just like Embiid. I don't think Wiggins is a surefire prospect just like I don't think Embiid is, but I think their potential is extremely high. Saying Embiid is Hakeem or Shaq is like saying Wiggins is Kevin Durant and I wouldn't say that because it isn't true, they are nowhere near those prospects coming out of college. Wiggins and Embiid could be superstars. Shaq, Hakeem, Robinson etc were GUARANTEED superstars.

I agree with this. This draft was hyped as the next 2003 draft and so far the top prospects seem to be muddling through the season.

It doesn't have that LeBron player but this draft is pretty insanely stacked.

Thats the biggest problem, we pull this miracle off and we have the bucks FO making the first pick.

Post #683 » by **paulpressey25** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:25 am

Baddy Chuck wrote:. Shaq, Hakeem, Robinson etc were GUARANTEED superstars.

Between those three guys, they played 10 college seasons. Tim Duncan played all four years in college.

That's the difference between Embiid and those guys. You had years for them to develop their games and prove their worth. We've had this problem for a 15 years now with all the one and done guys, and before them the high school guys.

There is just much more risk in these picks, so it is hard to identify guaranteed superstars. Even with Oden, we all were scared as heck out of whether he could score at all until he put up that 25 point game in the NCAA championship.

So, we make do and try to project. I see Embiid as a safer all star projection frankly than either Parker or Wiggins, for the reason that you just don't see that many skills in a seven foot big.

Baddy Chuck · Post #684 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:39 am

I don't see much weight in comparing the different era of years played in college. The guys who are the guaranteed stars usually show it in highschool/freshman year now. Anthony Davis was probably as close to a guarantee as you could get without actually being a guarantee and he was worlds better then Embiid has shown. There are a ton of players who show they are great that early in their careers, Embiid just simply hasn't. He's been good, with a ton of tools, but he hasn't put them together consistently yet.

Again I don't mind the #1 talk at all, the Hakeem/Shaq/top 5 center now talk is ridiculous though.

PANDEMONEUM · Post #685 » by **PANDEMONEUM** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:40 am

at this point, i trade OUT of the #1 spot, but only to #2 or #3
and get another 1st round pick

who has 2 picks in the 1st round ?

how many times has this happened ? (even trading out of top 3 spots)

and who / what were those deals ?

steger_3434 · Post #686 » by **steger_3434** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 3:04 am

The best one I can think of was Orlando trading the first pick (webber) for penny and some future first round picks.

Baddy Chuck · Post #687 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 3:07 am

Last two I can think of is the Aldridge to Portland and D-Will to Utah trades. Neither of them worked out very good.

Edit - That wasn't the #1 spot but rather top 5, I should read.

Milwaukee'sBEST · Post #688 » by **Milwaukee'sBEST** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 3:36 am

Lavine on fire right now, 13 points (5-5) in the first half. We need to acquire another lotto pick and grab this kid.

Edit: Just when I click post he drains another 3, 16 points (6-6)

breakchains · Post #689 » by **breakchains** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 3:52 am

Don't see Lavine getting out of the top 10 if he comes out, and depending on how things go the rest of the year, could see him rising as high as #4. You can see the dynamic movement, especially in contrast with Adams and of course the slow-as-molasses Anderson. Wish he just was more of a focal point of the team, instead of watching the lumbering Anderson.

breakchains · Post #690 » by **breakchains** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 4:20 am

Carson having serious issues this game. Definitely highlights the red flags with him (read: lack of height).

Also, no way Kyle Anderson is an NBA player. Why this team doesn't start Lavine and not make him the focal point of the offense is beyond me.

skones · Post #691 » by **skones** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 4:29 am

breakchains wrote:Carson having serious issues this game. Definitely highlights the red flags with hime (read: lack of height).

Also, no way Kyle Anderson is an NBA player. Why this team doesn't start Lavine and not make him the focal point of the offense is beyond me.

Well, because Kyle Anderson and Jordan Adams are FAR better offensive players for one.......

breakchains · Post #692 » by **breakchains** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 4:30 am

skones wrote:
breakchains wrote:Carson having serious issues this game. Definitely highlights the red flags with hime (read: lack of height).

Also, no way Kyle Anderson is an NBA player. Why this team doesn't start Lavine and not make him the focal point of the offense is beyond me.

Well, because Kyle Anderson and Jordan Adams are FAR better offensive players for one.......

Not even close.

skones · Post #693 » by **skones** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 4:32 am

breakchains wrote:
skones wrote:
breakchains wrote:Carson having serious issues this game. Definitely highlights the red flags with hime (read: lack of height).

Also, no way Kyle Anderson is an NBA player. Why this team doesn't start Lavine and not make him the focal point of the offense is beyond me.

Well, because Kyle Anderson and Jordan Adams are FAR better offensive players for one.......

Not even close.

LOL.

breakchains · Post #694 » by **breakchains** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 4:34 am

skones wrote:
breakchains wrote:
skones wrote:
Well, because Kyle Anderson and Jordan Adams are FAR better offensive players for one.......

Not even close.

LOL.

Indeed. Joke of a comment, really. It would be like saying Caron Butler is far superior to Giannis. Or James White is far superior to Melvin Gordon. Sure, they have more experience, but Lavine is miles beyond every other player on this UCLA team in terms of talent.

LUKE23 · Post #695 » by **LUKE23** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 4:37 am

Anderson won't be a very good pro, IMO. He's really not even an average athlete, don't think he'll be able to get to where he needs to to showcase his skills against NBA defenders. Reminds me of Hobson a bit. Adams I think has a pro future for sure.

breakchains · Post #696 » by **breakchains** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 4:39 am

LUKE23 wrote:Anderson won't be a very good pro, IMO. He's really not even an average athlete, don't think he'll be able to get to where he needs to to showcase his skills against NBA defenders. Reminds me of Hobson a bit. Adams I think has a pro future for sure.

I don't think Anderson is an NBA player at all, honestly. I'd be surprised if he was drafted, and if he is, I don't see him sticking. He is unbearably slow and unathletic. I'd be shocked if he actually makes it as a career end of the bench guy.

skones · Post #697 » by **skones** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 4:54 am

breakchains wrote:
skones wrote:
breakchains wrote:Not even close.

LOL.

Indeed. Joke of a comment, really. It would be like saying Caron Butler is far superior to Giannis. Or James White is far superior to Melvin Gordon. Sure, they have more experience, but Lavine is miles beyond every other player on this UCLA team in terms of talent.

Nobody is questioning the talent. Talent isn't in question when you're talking about making Lavine the focal point of the offense when he's playing with two guys who are significantly better than him on that end of the floor at the college level. UCLA isn't there to groom Lavine as a pro prospect, they exist to win college basketball games. Lavine, stylistically, is very similar to Terrence Ross. Despite all of these athletic gifts, he rarely uses them to his advantage when it comes to penetrating, which is obviously a necessary skill for a ball dominant player.

Conversely, Anderson may have the highest basketball IQ in all of college basketball, and I think that shows given his all around game despite being athletically over matched even at the college level which is often times the case. Adams has shown an extremely varied offensive game, and one that he's pretty damn efficient with going on one and a half seasons right now.

I'd say that's a plethora of reasons right there. Nevermind the fact, that with tonight excluded, Lavine has shot 42.3% from the floor and 29.5% from the three point line over his last 6 games. His percentages were completely unsustainable and now you're left with the "which version is the real Zach Lavin" question.

breakchains · Post #698 » by **breakchains** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 4:58 am

For this team to have any chance in March, Lavine needs to carry them. They need to be working towards that. It honestly looks like it takes a lot of work for Anderson just to jog up the court. Sure, he can use his length against scrubs, but when they face the big teams with talent, they have no chance without utilizing Lavine's, and to a lesser extent, Adams' talent.

Post #699 » by **paulpressey25** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 5:33 am

LaVine is an interesting prospect, but I don't see him anywhere near the upper tier guys.

He reminds me a bit of Rudy Fernandez, back before Rudy sort of quit. Great three ball, can work off ball very effortlessly and can drive to rim. But he's not a defender and more of a complimentary guy versus a potential alpha dog IMO.

Milwaukee'sBEST · Post #700 » by **Milwaukee'sBEST** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 6:17 am

skones wrote:
breakchains wrote:Carson having serious issues this game. Definitely highlights the red flags with hime (read: lack of height).

Also, no way Kyle Anderson is an NBA player. Why this team doesn't start Lavine and not make him the focal point of the offense is beyond me.

Well, because Kyle Anderson and Jordan Adams are FAR better offensive players for one.......

Now I know why you failed out of Madison, you're clearly an idiot.

Who ya got. Vote early, vote often.