Windhorst & Stein: Bucks trade Plumlee to Hornets for Hawes and Hibbert

[hdroffffff]

For as fun as it might be to watch Rubio play on the Bucks, why in the world would Minny do that trade? lol. Rubio is still a + player and good offensive facilitator? Not to mention both Delly and Henson really aren't very good. Either way, get it done Johnny boy.

[PackAttack9]

Honest this is a good move for us. Cap flexibility was the most important part of this deal and getting away from Plumlord's contract, which I've hated since the very second we signed it.

Saying goodbye to $52 million never felt so satisfying....

[mlloyd10]

For as fun as it might be to watch Rubio play on the Bucks, why in the world would Minny do that trade? lol. Rubio is still a + player and good offensive facilitator? Not to mention both Delly and Henson really aren't very good. Either way, get it done Johnny boy.

There was a rumor out that that the Wolves wanted to bring in a PG to start the rest of the season before they hand the keys over to Dunn next yr. Delly would be the perfect guy for that role for them.

[DingleJerry]

For as fun as it might be to watch Rubio play on the Bucks, why in the world would Minny do that trade? lol. Rubio is still a + player and good offensive facilitator? Not to mention both Delly and Henson really aren't very good. Either way, get it done Johnny boy.

There was a rumor out that that the Wolves wanted to bring in a PG to start the rest of the season before they hand the keys over to Dunn next yr. Delly would be the perfect guy for that role for them.

I don't think he would be because he's signed for 3 more years. Might as well just keep Rubio, who's signed for shorter.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

I think all it proves is that Charlotte is a poorly run organization, and Michael Jordan should find another hobby.

Lots of teams made bad decisions last offseason - and usually rushed to do it. The Wiz rushed to sign Mahinmi for 4/64 immediately after they failed on Horford. San Antonio waits and gets Dedmon (who was basically the same player as Mahinmi) for peanuts.

noun
noun: market value; plural noun: market values
the amount for which something can be sold on a given market.

dumb buyers drive market values... not the savvy buyers. i cant think of a single market more renowned for this than the nba free agent market. so stop looking for complicated definitions when the real definition is so simple.

teams are forced to overpay for free agents in small markets. this creates the market. and as long as a player can be moved around for free cap space in subsequent seasons then the deal should not be viewed as a overpay or serious mistake contract by anyone.

Complicated... really?

Using your logic, there's basically no such thing as over-paying. Just find a bad GM (or incriminating pictures of Michael Jordan?). Using the logic of almost every other basketball observer, the Bucks obviously over-paid.

my topic was market value and I copy pasted the simple definition.

heres another definition I found

The highest estimated price that a buyer would pay and a seller would accept for an item in an open and competitive market.

if the logic of other basketball observers is to not use the definition of market value when referring to market value then they simply confused by the term as well.

one might argue, and those here did, that we paid miles plumlee a contract that was above market value. in other words... we bid against ourselves. but finding one other single team that also views his contract as suitable much negates that argument. most bidding wars with most any product may start with many but end with just two who drive the price. the nba is especialy guilty of this.

if Henson and plumlee can both be dealt for expirings at anytime... then as fans we may hate them on the team but it doesn't change the fact they are being paid at fair market value for bigs in this league.

[Ruzious]

noun
noun: market value; plural noun: market values
the amount for which something can be sold on a given market.

dumb buyers drive market values... not the savvy buyers. i cant think of a single market more renowned for this than the nba free agent market. so stop looking for complicated definitions when the real definition is so simple.

teams are forced to overpay for free agents in small markets. this creates the market. and as long as a player can be moved around for free cap space in subsequent seasons then the deal should not be viewed as a overpay or serious mistake contract by anyone.

Complicated... really?

Using your logic, there's basically no such thing as over-paying. Just find a bad GM (or incriminating pictures of Michael Jordan?). Using the logic of almost every other basketball observer, the Bucks obviously over-paid.

my topic was market value and I copy pasted the simple definition.

heres another definition I found

The highest estimated price that a buyer would pay and a seller would accept for an item in an open and competitive market.

if the logic of other basketball observers is to not use the definition of market value when referring to market value then they simply confused by the term as well.

one might argue, and those here did, that we paid miles plumlee a contract that was above market value. in other words... we bid against ourselves. but finding one other single team that also views his contract as suitable much negates that argument. most bidding wars with most any product may start with many but end with just two who drive the price. the nba is especialy guilty of this.

No, the Bucks f'd up and then got lucky to get out of it due to another team f'ing up. Look up f'd up in the dictionary. It's a verb that means f'd up. From the Latin "bleeped up", as in "they fubar'd big-time."

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Plumlee's contract was certainly not "market value." Better players got like 49 million less dollars.

this trade proves beyond a shadow of a doubt, in retrospect, that of course it was market value.

This is an interesting take. The trade at the very least puts Plumlee's contract somewhere on the spectrum of:

There is one other GM/team as stupid as ours----x---- Plumlee's contract is market value.

what it proves is fans don't know what the term market value means
or
hard real evidence of market value is still ignored when it conflicts with a persons own value

many people don't own Picasso paintings even tho they have the money to buy them. that doesn't mean that people who buy Picasso paintings aren't paying market value. it just means that they may be idiots for spending so much money for market value on a picasso painting.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

No, the Bucks f'd up and then got lucky to get out of it due to another team f'ing up. Look up f'd up in the dictionary. It's a verb that means f'd up. From the Latin "bleeped up", as in "they fubar'd big-time."

you are guessing and reaching because you cant understand how your own value is so different from what turned out to be market value. you had assumed we had bid against overselves and overpaid plumlees market value..... that now he was immoveable. but then now this deal has blown your f'ing mind and you still haven't accepted it so your using flawed logic to describe your previously held value for him. that being of course that the market hadn't driven that price but instead we had driven it all by ourselves.

but be assured.....the fact we moved him for expirings to another buyer, by definition, means we signed him to a fair market value deal if we wanted him in the first place. all the f bombs in the world isn't going to change that.

[Ruzious]

No, the Bucks f'd up and then got lucky to get out of it due to another team f'ing up. Look up f'd up in the dictionary. It's a verb that means f'd up. From the Latin "bleeped up", as in "they fubar'd big-time."

you are guessing and reaching because you cant understand how your own value is so different from what turned out to be market value. you had assumed we had bid against overselves and overpaid plumlees market value..... and that now he was immoveable..... and now this deal has blown your mind and you still haven't accepted it.

but be assured.....the fact we moved him for expirings to another buyer, by definition, means we signed him to a fair market value deal if we wanted him in the first place. all the f bombs in the world isn't going to change that.

I thought I'd least get a chuckle out of you. Sorry about the f bombs.

[Treebeard]

The Knicks apparently wanted to pull in a third party to help facilitate moving Carmelo. Monroe's big salary might be useful in any deal there.

Was this reported somewhere? Missed it if so but believe it.

Knicks have been linked to Monroe previously and would need a scorer to replace Melo. He'd distract from the Noah disaster too.

New York could also be interested in Henson if they want a cheaper backup behind Noah as well.

There's this really thin reed....
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/244730/Knicks-Clippers-Seek-Third-Team-To-Facilitate-Carmelo-Anthony-Trade

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

No, the Bucks f'd up and then got lucky to get out of it due to another team f'ing up. Look up f'd up in the dictionary. It's a verb that means f'd up. From the Latin "bleeped up", as in "they fubar'd big-time."

you are guessing and reaching because you cant understand how your own value is so different from what turned out to be market value. you had assumed we had bid against overselves and overpaid plumlees market value..... and that now he was immoveable..... and now this deal has blown your mind and you still haven't accepted it.

but be assured.....the fact we moved him for expirings to another buyer, by definition, means we signed him to a fair market value deal if we wanted him in the first place. all the f bombs in the world isn't going to change that.

I thought I'd least get a chuckle out of you.

if that was a joke then I'll go along and chuckle a little. it was well written

[trwi7]

Still in awe over this trade.

[BucksPackers]

I REALLY REALLY REALLY WANT TO MOVE HENSON NOW............. ESPECIALLY AFTER SEEING WHAT WE GOT FOR PLUMLEE.

[bizarro]

[Buck Yeah]

Ugh......so what am I supposed to do with my Plumlee and Novak jerseys now?

[BucksPackers]

Ugh......so what am I supposed to do with my Plumlee and Novak jerseys now?

Trade them for a hibbert and hawes jersey.............. winning!

[worthlessBucks]

Harvey Dent..cant we trust him?

[BucksPackers]

If you haven't seen the college humor badman vs two face or badman vs riddler I recommend you check it out it is hilarious.

Look it up on youtube.

[mcfromage]

Bucks In: D. Rose + Kyle O'Quinn + Wes Johnson
Clips In: Carmelo + John Henson
NYK In: Greg Monroe + Jamal Crawford + Austin Rivers + Paul Pierce

Let Rose walk after a year, get out from under Henson + Monroe, works in checker and perhaps on paper for the other teams too.

Rose/Brogdon/Delly
Khris/Snell/Terry
Jabari/Wes/Beasley
Giannis/Thon/Mirza
KOQ/Hibbert/Hawes

[ackypoo]

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