Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Sign Pete Nance to 2-way

[Fotis St]

Let's get Ben Simmons from the buyout market ...
The crazy overreactions here would be legendary

[Turk Nowitzki]

We'll play slower. Dame walks the ball up, Khris sprinted it up and was willing to pass ahead. There's stats that show this. Kuzma doesn't handle the ball. No more of those easy lobs to Giannis for quick baskets.

Kuzma handled the ball a pretty good amount for Washington (granted, somebody had to) and tried to get out in transition a pretty good amount too.

KM was a great shooter and excellent playmaker. He was hurt all last regular season and was still the best Buck in the playoffs. He should have been kept unless there was inside knowledge that he couldn't last the season.

What if I told you that since then he had surgery on both ankles, took forever to comeback from that, and when he did he looked more physically cooked then ever? I have been team "keep Khris, we need Khris" all the way up until anklegate this year but even I had to admit it was over.

[machu46]

Let's get Ben Simmons from the buyout market ...
The crazy overreactions here would be legendary

We cannot.

[MickeyDavis]

Let's get Ben Simmons from the buyout market ...
The crazy overreactions here would be legendary

Can't sign him

[midranger]

Kyle Kuzma has been to the playoffs twice in his career. 5 years ago, at the height of his athletic prime, with the Lakers between Lebron and AD.
His playoff averages are this:
9.1 ppg
3.3 rpg
0.9 apg
.401 FG
.283 3pt
.761 FT

9 months ago “broke down” Khris Middleton did this, while injured, and basically dragging a team of misfit toys to a couple wins.

24.7 ppg
9.2 rpg
4.7 apg

.482 FG
.355 3pt
.900 FT


Maybe in the last 9 months, his body truly degraded to truly useless. I don’t know that to be true, neither does anyone else here. But, Kyle Kuzma **** sucks guys. This trade would’ve been acceptable as the precursor to getting an actual good player. As is, it was terrible.

[JimmyTheKid]

Confusing deadline. We definitely had to move Middleton. Sure we got "younger and more athletic" with Sims and Porter, Jr. but if both guys are going to see the floor that means our rotation just grew by two players. Weird timing for that with the playoffs approaching. And you don't trade for a serial abuser to just sit at the end of the bench. We didn't get any better defensively. Banking on Giannis and Dame unlocking their respective God-modes I guess.

[Packbuckman]

I hated this trade because we had to include our 1st rd pick in AJ Johnson. But I am going to see how kuzma looks playing next to Giannis and Dame before I say he sucks because maybe Barkley and the other ex players are right his talent is the lakers version we will get and he’s goimg to thrive. The other two players I don’t know anything about but both are young and athletic let’s see if that translates to winning bball.

[Turk Nowitzki]

Maybe in the last 9 months, his body truly degraded to truly useless. I don’t know that to be true, neither does anyone else here.

We can only go off the evidence we have, and that evidence leans very strongly in one direction.

Anyways arguing about Khris is the wrong argument to me. The correct argument is about wtf is this roster that Horst has assembled in the wake of that trade and his other moves (or lack thereof). I don't see how the pieces fit together at all.

[-Jragon-]

Do you think we'll look younger and faster playing - not KM and Pat? Reducing Brook and BPs minutes a little? Teams less talented than us are running off the floor mid-3rd as we had the slowest ever bucks lineup in.. that was our current problem and it's very likely fixed.

Khris was injured most of the season and Pat was out of the rotation a lot, we saw A TON of minutes without them that were still not looking impressive. To me, we added three guys who aren't very good, that doesn't change the fortunes of those minutes. Teams running us out of the gym often was the effect of bad defense and bad offense leading to teams creating good looks off of that, we added more bad defenders and bad offensive players. Talented. Sometimes pretty good offensively. Most of the time bad. If we somehow harness all the best from them, sure, looks good. There's a reason we got them for Khris' corpse, Wright and Marjon though, they suck. They'll probably suck for us. I don't think different kinds of suck changes the team.

Right, I thought we looked much faster in all the games KM didn't play.. the problem I saw was that without Middleton, the trickle down effect was Doc playing Pat (needed sf min) and Bobby (for offense) more minutes. Now that we have athletic dudes to fill in, that should be fixed. The NBA cup game is an example where we played against a fast young team and we didn't have that slow 3rd quarter plodding elephant lineup come in and kill all the momentum.

[Ron Swanson]

I'm certainly not gonna hold his raw playoff averages from 5-years ago against him when he was sometimes the 4th option on a title team/contender. If anything that's a plus and evidence that he can give you value on the margins/doing the little things if he actually buys into the Horace Grant/Lamar Odom role.

But that's the biggest question for me. After years of being the guy in Washington and putting up empty stats, how much does Kuz wanna go back to that role? I think it's worrisome that his play only really started to tank the second he signed that big extension (2023 offseason).

[BigO]

Kuzma handled the ball a pretty good amount for Washington (granted, somebody had to) and tried to get out in transition a pretty good amount too.

KM was a great shooter and excellent playmaker. He was hurt all last regular season and was still the best Buck in the playoffs. He should have been kept unless there was inside knowledge that he couldn't last the season.

What if I told you that since then he had surgery on both ankles, took forever to comeback from that, and when he did he looked more physically cooked then ever? I have been team "keep Khris, we need Khris" all the way up until anklegate this year but even I had to admit it was over.

He looked bad in two games since he returned (one a btob) and great in the others. His shooting was vintage Khris and he still could pass and rebound.

Elite shooting and playmaking is what makes Khris different from the rest. If I'm in vegas and have a 25% of winning the jackpot (the jackpot meaning good Khris), I'll take it.

Right now they have a 2% of winning a title and all I read is that Kuzma is more athletic. Perhaps he Bucks should have signed Usain Bolt.

[RW23]

The potential upside of these deadline moves is that the Bucks got a few players that, if things go right with them, extended the Bucks' contending window with Giannis a year or two more.

The fact that that was pulled off is actually pretty surprising (even if the players in question are flawed / gambles).

[jute2003]

I think they know they weren't contending before the trades and still arent afterwards.

They got some younger ish more athletic guys for people not playing or reliable(sorry Khris). They got under the second apron and more flexibility moving forward.

I dont think they are worse than they were before. I still don't want to watch Bobby and Brook on the floor at the same time.

I am bummed about losing AJ. His speed jumped off the screen and I believe he has a chance. He also seems like a nice kid.

Speaking of nice kid, porter is not. Total ****. I do not like rooting for dickheads and doubt he has magically turned that metaphorical corner of non dickheadedness.

The value was painful. I understand why they traded khris but woof.

2/3rds of the Brook/Bobby/Khris group should have been traded last year if not earlier. I dont think they've been a true contender again since they won.

[Badgerlander]

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This is tough to watch in the beginning but he can absolutely pass into the post

[Turk Nowitzki]

KM was a great shooter and excellent playmaker. He was hurt all last regular season and was still the best Buck in the playoffs. He should have been kept unless there was inside knowledge that he couldn't last the season.

What if I told you that since then he had surgery on both ankles, took forever to comeback from that, and when he did he looked more physically cooked then ever? I have been team "keep Khris, we need Khris" all the way up until anklegate this year but even I had to admit it was over.

He looked bad in two games since he returned (one a btob) and great in the others. His shooting was vintage Khris and he still could pass and rebound.

If you've gaslighted yourself into thinking he's looked "great" in every game except for two since he came back then I guess I can understand why you'd be upset with the trade.

[pifhluk23]

I am now on the fire Horst bangwagon, even though I have no idea of who to replace him with. Tell me when the first meeting is.

Khris Middleton was much more valuable to the Bucks than any other team and I've said that multiple times. I'd even have given up the most underrated Buck, Bobby Portis, to keep Khris.

As an aside, I didn't watch the game the other night, but I see BP had 17 "fake" rebounds and 23 points after sitting out a bunch of games. Missing Portis probably cost the Bucks two to three games. Will the haters ever apologize? Come on, you'll feel much better.

I'm coming around on BP, I wouldn't call myself a hater though. More so I dont want to pay him for 3-4 years this Summer and he has good trade value. It's just his bad games are bad and he's unplayable, same thing as Brook though. Doc needs to have a quick trigger in the playoffs for this to work, can't be stuck to rotations and never adapting like Bud.

[M-C-G]

Confusing deadline. We definitely had to move Middleton. Sure we got "younger and more athletic" with Sims and Porter, Jr. but if both guys are going to see the floor that means our rotation just grew by two players. Weird timing for that with the playoffs approaching. And you don't trade for a serial abuser to just sit at the end of the bench. We didn't get any better defensively. Banking on Giannis and Dame unlocking their respective God-modes I guess.

I feel like we had a move that didn’t happen, like Brook for Claxton or something. But if nothing else, we are under the second apron, have an open roster spot and instead of Midds 34M option next year we broke that into 41M over two years with Kuzma. And still have the 31 first.

Not bad, but pretty underwhelming

[Badgerlander]

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[-Jragon-]

I'm not sure the Bucks are any closer to a championship than they were before the trade, but I don't think they are any further away either. I knew this wasn't the season when the Milwaukee Journal came out earlier in the year and talked about how much salary flexibility the Bucks would have next year. So at least I get to watch some different player this year. Not that I like any of them.

Horst is a great GM for the splashy trade and if you allow him to sell all his picks and waste a lot of money on player options. But he is a horrible GM at forecasting and understanding where the league is going. The league went young and fast and he was still clinging to his nostalgic old and plodding championship team.

And Bud for Doc is still the worst thing to happen to this team.

I think we are right where we were, if not a bit further away. We got younger and more athletic, sure. But without the needed follow up moves, our rotation is still going to be dominated by our slow vets. We acquired two non-shooting, non defensive, non-winning players. These guys have had their best seasons for teams that don’t win, because that’s the type of players they are and the type of ceiling their impact has. PPGz on bad teams. We have one dependable shooter in our starting lineup now. It’s like an early 2000s lineup in terms of spacing. It’s a nightmare waiting to happen.

These moves are underwhelming on their own, but with Brook and Bobby still around, they become nonsensical. Horst is throwing darts at a board. And before all his cronies come out, yes, I know we were financially strapped. Blah blah blah. Doesn’t excuse him being bad at his job.

Any level of basketball.. there's a difference between having a slow big man (Lopez/Bobby) and having slow wings (KM/Pat) - because the dudes that a C has to cover are also usually slow.... If we have enough depth to bury Pat we'll be fine... if we don't have to have Bobby and Lopez in the game at the same time we'll always look fast now. If we have enough depth to have stretches where Bobby and Lopez both sit, we'll look supercharged.

[soxperry]

Kyle Kuzma has been to the playoffs twice in his career. 5 years ago, at the height of his athletic prime, with the Lakers between Lebron and AD.
His playoff averages are this:
9.1 ppg
3.3 rpg
0.9 apg
.401 FG
.283 3pt
.761 FT

9 months ago “broke down” Khris Middleton did this, while injured, and basically dragging a team of misfit toys to a couple wins.

24.7 ppg
9.2 rpg
4.7 apg

.482 FG
.355 3pt
.900 FT


Maybe in the last 9 months, his body truly degraded to truly useless. I don’t know that to be true, neither does anyone else here. But, Kyle Kuzma **** sucks guys. This trade would’ve been acceptable as the precursor to getting an actual good player. As is, it was terrible.

I dont think 24 is the age of athletic prime. I thought that was generally accepted as around 27 years old, no?

If he decides to focus and do the work, he will be good for us