2017 NBA DRAFT Part 3

[Dellyhas2gfs]

Would you all do Middleton + 17 for all of the Sixers picks 3, 36, 39, 46, 50?

Middleton + 17 *might* get us 3 and 36 but more likely 3 and 2018 2nd round protected.

Even then, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Midds is not and never will be a superstar. DeAaron Fox might be.

He could also be a bust and Middleton is not. Could even be an All-Star. I think people get enticed by the bright shiny trinket and forget it's "two birds in the bush is worth one in the hand"

[Dellyhas2gfs]

Here's who projected at #17

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[benultimate]

Have we held a workout since Hammond left?

Hammond took the rolodex with him

[Fotis St]

Have we held a workout since Hammond left?

Don't need to.

GM Finalists are following the famous Realgm poster Fotis St.

He already sorted his list to two Hartenstein/Ojeleye, we are in good hands

[hillchaser]

Could Semi be the next Ron Artest?

I think he has a good chance of being the next Patricia Arquette, but if we are looking for a guard that can defend somewhat and stretch the floor on offence then it has to be him. if we are looking for an offence machine off the bench then Kennard would be more than useful even with his limitations on D. Current mocks show that we are missing out on both of them anyway. The guy we really need is Monk. Can we trade up for him ?

If we can get a stretch guard then our next biggest need is a mobile rim protector who can also defend on the perimeter. Needs quick feet and should be able to catch lobs. We currently do not have an enforcer on this team .. do we need one ? The game is moving to a stretch 5 but the last two seasons bucks have really sucked at rebounding and lost games against good rebounding teams like Atlanta, Detroit and even Memphis where MG just dominated the space inside. Now that I've said all this what do people think about Millsap for 17 ? He's exactly what we need but not sure of his age profile.

[RiotPunch]

I've been a closet Kennard fan for awhile now. He's got his flaws, but if that shot translates he's gonna be great value at 17. Find a way to grab Bolden in the 2nd and I'm a happy camper. Maybe convince Hambone to send us 33 for Henson and grab Tony Bradley. All 3 guys are probably gone at those slots, but a guy can dream.

[skones]

I've been a closet Kennard fan for awhile now. He's got his flaws, but if that shot translates he's gonna be great value at 17. Find a way to grab Bolden in the 2nd and I'm a happy camper. Maybe convince Hambone to send us 33 for Henson and grab Tony Bradley. All 3 guys are probably gone at those slots, but a guy can dream.

I just don't see much that makes Kennard a better overall player than Hart at the next level.

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[Fotis St]

I've been a closet Kennard fan for awhile now. He's got his flaws, but if that shot translates he's gonna be great value at 17. Find a way to grab Bolden in the 2nd and I'm a happy camper. Maybe convince Hambone to send us 33 for Henson and grab Tony Bradley. All 3 guys are probably gone at those slots, but a guy can dream.

I just don't see much that makes Kennard a better overall player than Hart at the next level.

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Let me help... better 3pt shooter + playmaking skills, ability to run pick n roll as the ball handler+ better court vision and passing ability. Hart is probably a better iso scorer,probably. I like both of them. Both talented, high IQ.

[RiotPunch]

I've been a closet Kennard fan for awhile now. He's got his flaws, but if that shot translates he's gonna be great value at 17. Find a way to grab Bolden in the 2nd and I'm a happy camper. Maybe convince Hambone to send us 33 for Henson and grab Tony Bradley. All 3 guys are probably gone at those slots, but a guy can dream.

I just don't see much that makes Kennard a better overall player than Hart at the next level.

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I'd be cool with Hart too. Def will be a better 2-way player, but he cannot touch Kennard as a shooter, imo.

[skones]

I've been a closet Kennard fan for awhile now. He's got his flaws, but if that shot translates he's gonna be great value at 17. Find a way to grab Bolden in the 2nd and I'm a happy camper. Maybe convince Hambone to send us 33 for Henson and grab Tony Bradley. All 3 guys are probably gone at those slots, but a guy can dream.

I just don't see much that makes Kennard a better overall player than Hart at the next level.

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Let me help... better 3pt shooter + playmaking skills, ability to run pick n roll as the ball handler+ better court vision and passing ability. Hart is probably a better iso scorer,probably. I like both of them. Both talented, high IQ.

The playmaking skills just don't show up on the court to the degree you're claiming. Kennard is a better pick and roll scorer than was Hart at the NCAA level, but ultimately Hart was the better passer all season long. You're looking at 2.8 assists per 40 pace adjusted for Kennard vs 3.8 for Hart.

If Kennard has difficulty turning the corner at the next level, which many obviously think he will, Hart has a clear advantage at the NBA level with his overall vision. With that being said, you're not drafting either and using them heavily in pick and roll sets as the ball handler, so it becomes a moot point. Meanwhile, Hart is dramatically better when it comes to both getting to the rim, and finishing there, obviously a super important attribute when it comes to diversifying your overall scoring repertoire. Kennard's inability to get to the rim at the NCAA level and finish there, is only going to be extrapolated at the NBA level. (Hart 57.9% on 2s vs Kennard's 52.5%)

Ultimately Hart's play on the other end of the floor is what really widens the gap between the two for me. It's a dramatic difference. I'll take the guy who shoots 36-39% from three over his career and plays good defense over the one who shoots 40-42 and is a liability.

[skones]

I've been a closet Kennard fan for awhile now. He's got his flaws, but if that shot translates he's gonna be great value at 17. Find a way to grab Bolden in the 2nd and I'm a happy camper. Maybe convince Hambone to send us 33 for Henson and grab Tony Bradley. All 3 guys are probably gone at those slots, but a guy can dream.

I just don't see much that makes Kennard a better overall player than Hart at the next level.

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I'd be cool with Hart too. Def will be a better 2-way player, but he cannot touch Kennard as a shooter, imo.

Kennard is certainly a better shooter, but in the NBA, that's really the only advantage I see Kennard having. Hart is better everywhere else. Vision/Team Def/Ind Def/Getting to the Rim/Finishing at the Rim/ He's just far more complete as a player.

[Ruzious]

Could Semi be the next Ron Artest?

I know it's all projections at this point but despite being a giant athletic freak Semi was just simply not a good defender in college.

Right - physically they may be very similar, but Artest was so much better defensively while Semi appears to have much better scoring skills.

[Ruzious]

I just don't see much that makes Kennard a better overall player than Hart at the next level.

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Let me help... better 3pt shooter + playmaking skills, ability to run pick n roll as the ball handler+ better court vision and passing ability. Hart is probably a better iso scorer,probably. I like both of them. Both talented, high IQ.

The playmaking skills just don't show up on the court to the degree you're claiming. Kennard is a better pick and roll scorer than was Hart at the NCAA level, but ultimately Hart was the better passer all season long. You're looking at 2.8 assists per 40 pace adjusted for Kennard vs 3.8 for Hart.

If Kennard has difficulty turning the corner at the next level, which many obviously think he will, Hart has a clear advantage at the NBA level with his overall vision. With that being said, you're not drafting either and using them heavily in pick and roll sets as the ball handler, so it becomes a moot point. Meanwhile, Hart is dramatically better when it comes to both getting to the rim, and finishing there, obviously a super important attribute when it comes to diversifying your overall scoring repertoire. Kennard's inability to get to the rim at the NCAA level and finish there, is only going to be extrapolated at the NBA level. (Hart 57.9% on 2s vs Kennard's 52.5%)

Ultimately Hart's play on the other end of the floor is what really widens the gap between the two for me. It's a dramatic difference. I'll take the guy who shoots 36-39% from three over his career and plays good defense over the one who shoots 40-42 and is a liability.

Yeah, I've watched a lot of Kennard and don't see him as anything more than a catch and shoot guy. He's really good at that, and shooting 3's is a huge asset, but he'll likely be a 1 dimentional player in the NBA. Hart has a lot more to his game and will be able to play both ends of the court. Most mocks have Kennard going long before Hart, but I'd take Hart over Kennard every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

[yoshii8]

I don't want to make too many judgments until I see some of these guys play against a chair, or I'll take a guy who bangs his head against the rim. If a player can do both well, pick him.

[jute2003]

Would rather have Fully Ojeleye, honestly.

Dude

[emunney]

I don't think Artest and Semi comparisons go beyond physical strength. Semi is more explosive vertically, not as long, better shooter obviously; Artest was a serious playmaker on both ends of the court -- he had the skillset to be a secondary ball handler on top of being a great all-around defender and one of the better thieves in the game. They're not alike.

[emunney]

I don't want to make too many judgments until I see some of these guys play against a chair, or I'll take a guy who bangs his head against the rim. If a player can do both well, pick him.

Isaiah Hicks.

I've always really liked Hicks, by the way. I'm super curious to see if there's a role for him in the NBA. I feel like if Lance Thomas can make it, Hicks is definitely a corner 3 away from a 10 year NBA career.

[Rockmaninoff]

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Seems like he has more skill than just catch and shoot. Maybe none of it translates, but he scored proficiently against a variety of defenses and defenders in college.

I don't expect him to ever be a guy that's dunking on people, but if he learns the James Harden free throw exploit, look out.

I saw a stat somewhere that said he was something like 55% on jumpers inside 12 feet. He's excellent with fakes, footwork, and floaters. Reminds a bit of Steve Nash in that respect.

[skones]

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Seems like he has more skill than just catch and shoot. Maybe none of it translates, but he scored proficiently against a variety of defenses and defenders in college.

I don't expect him to ever be a guy that's dunking on people, but if he learns the James Harden free throw exploit, look out.

I saw a stat somewhere that said he was something like 55% on jumpers inside 12 feet. He's excellent with fakes, footwork, and floaters. Reminds a bit of Steve Nash in that respect.

Well the translatable skills are the ones that actually matter in the conversation..... He had trouble getting to the rim in college, I have a hard time seeing him get to the line at a decent rate at the next level when it becomes even more difficult. Spot ups, dribble pull ups on close outs, that's what I expect out of him.

Nobody is questioning his skill level in college or his production, I want to make that clear. There are thousands of successful college players who weren't able to translate those things to the next level. The translatable skills ARE the topic of discussion.

[Bucks2585]

At this point, I'm getting to be all in on Hart at 17. Have loved him throughout the process, but at 17, I don't really care to take an unpolished guy like Ike. Everything about Josh Hart screams sleeper. Winning pedigree with a NC. His efficiency throughout his career. He won DPOY in his conference. I think someone said it earlier, there aren't going to be 17 guys better than Josh Hart thus draft, I agree. I say you run with the Brogdon/Hart backcourt and let the playmaking on this team come from a forward rotation. Turn Jabari into a 6th man for next year and starter Giannis and Middleton. Work it out from there.